The police your best friend?

[Arthu®]

Let me first state that I don't believe that all the cops are like this, and I do believe it is an incident. But I truely hate and despice the way he used his "trustworthyness" (if that is a word) as a tool.

Let me tell the whole story. I live in a house with 5 girls (all students), well one of them and a friend of hers went out last friday night. They went back home and on the way they met a off-duty police officer, whom she knew from her work at central station. They talked and he said I'll walk with you, because it is such a dangerous neighborhood. They said fine, he acted like he was drunk and when they got our house he said he asked if he could come upstairs for a glass of water. So they sat down in her room and he had a glass of water and pretended to have fallen asleep after that on the couch.

They fall asleep as well and he had seen another roommate of mine walk by and he went to her room (this was around 6AM) to ask if he could sleep with her in her bed, she said no and that he could use the couch in the living room. She fell asleep and 2 hours later while she was asleep he came into her room in just his boxer short and got in her bed and started touching her and kissing her in the neck. In the mean time I had come home and was asleep with my gf downstairs. She had freaked and had gone to the other roommate to tell her and she told the guy that he had to leave. He locked himself in the bathroom and the other roommate came to me. (I had no clue what was going on) Half asleep (it was now around 8/9 AM) she said I'll call you if he causes trouble. Well 15 minutes later she calls me so I go out of the room and I just see him go down the stairs and quietly leave.

At first she didn't want to report this, as he is a police officer and she was afraid if she would see him again at central station. I finally pursuaded her that we all had to the station and report this and that we could always decided later on if she wanted to go through with it or not. Well after having spend the day (from 10:30AM to 3:30PM) at the police station and again today from 10:30AM to 11:30AM I am sick and tired of this situation. I know there are bad apples, but this really sucks. The girl is 17, just started living on her own, is terrified to tell her parents, because they might take her back home. That and the fact that now she probably had an unsafe feeling at home, which is probably the worst feeling to have as that is where you are supposed to be safe. That and the fact that it was someone (a police officer) that you normally go to when you feel unsafe and is supposed to be someone you can trust and go to in times of stress. I can rant on about this for hours, it won't make a difference. She just doesn't want everybody to know (understandable) so I can't really talk about it with anyone here. So that's why I decided to rant on here. That's also why I didn't enclose the names of anyone involved. I hope the asshole (excuse my language) at least loses his job over this. He did a nice job improving the trust (which they are so desperately trying to improve overhere) in local authorities...

Thanks for letting me rant...

Arthur

[The70RT]

Sounds like a dirty bastard to me. Maybe he thinks he is above the law. That's sexual assult if you ask me.That is a long time at the Police station to do a report.....maybe they didn't believe her? Good luck and watch out he may come back to retaliate if he gets the axe like he should.

[Arthu®]

Sounds like a dirty bastard to me. Maybe he thinks he is above the law. That's sexual assult if you ask me.That is a long time at the Police station to do a report.....maybe they didn't believe her? Good luck and watch out he may come back to retaliate if he gets the axe like he should.

Actually they did believe it and they take it very seriously (luckily), why it took so long was because it was saturday morning and there was only one person from vice on active duty. And she had to report it with her entire story (which was difficult for her, because she was pretty shaken by all this) and than he only interviewed the other roommate. And than the time was up and her friend and me had to come back on a different time (which for me was today). I am glad they took their time, they have made sure that everything adds up and that there are no unclearities in the report.

They are all afraid for retaliation (the biggest reason she didn't want to report in the first place), but I still think she did the best thing by reporting this. He deserves it.

Arthur

[The70RT]

Tell her to hold her ground. Honesty is the best policy and hopefully she will get through it ok. Sounds like you guys need a better policy and not let just anyone in. He could have cleaned you guys out it sounds like. If he was some lunitic it could have been worse. Take care of those girls Aurthur 

[Tilar]

She should definitely hold her ground and make this very much known. If not moving back home is more important to her than stopping this person, she needs to re-evaluate her priorities.

If this guy thinks that she won't tell for whatever reason, It is going to give him a false sense of security and the next time this happens, It may have some bad results.

[Brock Samson]

glad you stood up,.. these asswipes count on intimidation and victims' silence... 

[TruckDriver]

glad you stood up,.. these asswipes count on intimidation and victims' silence... 

I agree with Dave. She needs to stand her ground or else someday he will get away with rape and who knows what. And it could be with her or a close friend. The more he gets away with it, the more comfertable he will become when pulling this crap. Have her look at this post and then see what she thinks. She has our support.

[C_stripes]

I know of a police dept in Idaho that has had some very corrupt cops. They got busted strip searching minors "looking for drugs" without parents consent. When I say minors. 13 to 16 years old. They didn't find anything either. But luckily the police dept filmed everything for some great proof against them self's.  But like stated in the other thread about unnecessary police activity. There are good and bad in everything. This is definitely not a good thing for the police officer to do. It makes him and the rest of the force look bad.   There are DAMN good cops out there to.

[hutch]

I am sure I will get some flack for this but here it goes.   

I don't like cops

They think they own the ground you are standing on. They don't know a single printed word within the US or their own State Constitutions.  They are only a way to generate money for the city, county or state from traffic stops and court fines.

They do very little to protect anyone.

Look at New Orleans during and after Katrina. 

Now I know good cops exist but they are outnumbered.

[The70RT]

I am sure I will get some flack for this but here it goes.   

I don't like cops

They think they own the ground you are standing on. They don't know a single printed word within the US or their own State Constitutions.  They are only a way to generate money for the city, county or state from traffic stops and court fines.

They do very little to protect anyone.

Look at New Orleans during and after Katrina. 

Now I know good cops exist but they are outnumbered.

Oh boy get ready....there is already one post on here with someone stating that 

[dkn1997]

I am sure I will get some flack for this but here it goes.   

I don't like cops

They think they own the ground you are standing on. They don't know a single printed word within the US or their own State Constitutions.  They are only a way to generate money for the city, county or state from traffic stops and court fines.

They do very little to protect anyone.

Look at New Orleans during and after Katrina. 

Now I know good cops exist but they are outnumbered.

If most members here are anything like me, then we all come on here and read lots of things. we agree with some, disagree with some.  Then a steaming pile of crap like this comes along and you just sit there and scratch your head and wonder if it's possible that there are people out there who can possibly be this uninformed.  How can an adult who's experienced even 2 seconds of life actually believe what you just wrote?  I am hoping that post is a product of you being 15 years old or something. god, I hope it is or else my faith in humanity just got ratcheted down a notch.  pardon me while I go sniff out the "ignore user" button.

[terrible one]

I've experienced my share. . . the way I see it, cops are just people. There are good people and bad people; good cops and bad cops.

[sick dawg]

I've experienced my share. . . the way I see it, cops are just people. There are good people and bad people; good cops and bad cops.

Remember these people are people first, be it bad people or good people. Some people should never be cops, unfortunately some people that shouldn't be cops do become cops; however, they usually don't last very long. A bad person will make a bad police officer, fact of life.

[nh_mopar_fan]

Rule #1 Cops suck.....until you need one.

There are good and bad everywhere in every aspect of life.

I missed the class where they told us all cops were supposed to be perfect.

[68RT4ME]

I am sure I will get some flack for this but here it goes.   

I don't like cops

They think they own the ground you are standing on. They don't know a single printed word within the US or their own State Constitutions.  They are only a way to generate money for the city, county or state from traffic stops and court fines.

They do very little to protect anyone.

Look at New Orleans during and after Katrina. 

Now I know good cops exist but they are outnumbered.

Your a JackASS....I read this post and some other ones on this subject and I feel I have to speak up. I don't care who likes it or whether it gets yanked off here or not. I have been nothing but nice to everyone on this forum since the first day I posted on it but this cannot  go without notice.

I've been on the job for 23 years. I've been involved in many things over those years. Burried several COP friends and been to more funerals for COPS than I ever care to go to. It's been my observation that in most cases, people like you who bitch and moan about cops are usually the ones who cause their own problems in the first place and end up with us bad cops on their case. Like now for instance. I have never in my career gone after someone who didn't deserve or ask for my special kind of attention. Why would I? There are plenty of things to do without having to drum up business. I have people like you to do that for me. No shortage of Buttholes in this country or the world. I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime that I charged them with. I've put all kinds of thugs away over the long years. Dopers, muggers, killers, rapist's, robber, thieves, Child Molesters and wife beaters. All Guilty and all deserving of what they got in court. Most never got enough as far as I'm concerned.

I have so often thought that if they would shut down all police agencies for just one day.... one day, that people like yourself would be the first ones crying about how things are in ciaos. Since that's never going to happen, I guess I will forever have to hear ignorant people like you pissin and moanin on how cops are this or that. The bottom line is that your not willing to put your ass on the line for anyone at any time like us COPS are but can sit and criticize us all the time. Try walking in our shoes just once in your life and see what it's like. Maybe then you will see that we do what we do because someone has to. Do us bad COPS a favor and loose our number. Don't call us and we'll only call you when and I mean when you bring it upon yourself. BTW, that (poor me) BS additude doesn't work with COPS. If your being picked on, you probably deserve it.

Yes, there are bad cops in this world and I have worked with a few.... A very few. Still, you choose to lump us all and label us all the same. Pathetic!!!!!  but, no skin off my back. You ask for attention from the Police, you will get it plain and simple. Also, your standing on MY GROUND!
Now where is my donut and that ignore Buttholes button?   

[Arthu®]

This thread wasn't intended to bash on cops. I have had my fair share of run ins with the police and there are both good and both bad cops. They are also just people I know that and I don't have a problem with that. I just would have never expected to happen what happend Friday. Please play nice in here.

Arthur

[derailed]

I think a majority of the ones who give the police a bad name are some of the younger ones who just joined the force and are full of testosterone. The novelty hasn't worn off yet and theres a few out there that think they are above you.

[68RT4ME]

This thread wasn't intended to bash on cops. I have had my fair share of run ins with the police and there are both good and both bad cops. They are also just people I know that and I don't have a problem with that. I just would have never expected to happen what happend Friday. Please play nice in here.

Arthur

I know it wasn't the intent to bash COPS here and I certainly hope that if the guy did what the girl claims he did that, he gets whats coming to him. He doesn't need to be carrying a badge anywhere. Sure, it's incidents like this that can give a "Cop" (singular) a bad name but, this was/is an isolated incident and definitely NOT the norm.

Cops are dedicated to their jobs and sure, even a veteran cop knows a new cop sometimes gets a little over the top and sometimes needs to be reigned in but, not "ALL" cops like some in this post and in other posts have said. That's what I have a problem with. I'm a family man and have worked hard since day one to be seen in the proper light and lead by example. I  have respect for those in my profession who deal with the same things I deal with day in day out. For someone to be so ignorant as to believe that all cops are bad, crooks, on the take or whatever twisted idea they may have is just too much to ignore. 

[Orange_Crush]

I was gonna stay away from the cop posts, but there seems to be a lot of vitriol from both sides on this...so I'm gonna tell you a story.

My uncle was a cop for many years and one of my best friends was a cop (left the force).  My friend was getting married and they were giving him a party at an FOB lodge here in the south.  Now, I had been to many FOP lodges before because they are great places to party so when he invited me, I said "sure!"

Anyway, we did a lot of drinking and as I sat at the bar getting sloshed, there was a good ol' boy sitting next to me that I had struck up a conversation with.  He asked me if I was a cop and I replaied "no" and his response FLOORED me.  He said "you're smart.  I wouldn't want to join the force today either.  ain't a cop out there worth a shit anymore."  He went on to tell me all kinds of great storries about cops and the kinds of people they are.  I said "I'm sure there are also lots of good cops out there" and he said "a good cop's a guy who's been on the force less than a year."

Now I'm sure that a lot of what that guy was saying was due to alcohol and bitterness...and I honestly do believe that there are lots of good cops out there, but even the good cops, according to my friends, my uncle, etc might make up 50% of all cops out there if we're lucky.

Me, I'm happy that we have police.  I'm glad that there are guys out there who are willing to put their lives on the line for us.  I am very pro-cop.  But, I am also a realist.  There are two kinds of people who will be attracted to a job that will provide the opportunity to wield as much power as a police officer does.  There will be the "good guys" who believe in the badge and what it means...and then there are the guys who see it as a perfect opportunity to fulfill their delusions of grandeur.  THOSE are the guys who are dangerous.

[Brock Samson]

  I'm sorry your post got all hijacked to hell Aurthur,..
How the Girl doing now?.. any developments?..

[Arthu®]

The girl is doing ok, just a little shaken by everything. Tomorrow afternoon we are going to the police station to sign everything. He is going to be kept from active duty as of thursday and will be charged with sexual assualt. The house has gotten a free (thanks to the landlord) security upgrade with better locks and stuff. We'll just see and what happens.

Arthur

[last426]

I've been on the job for 23 years. I've been involved in many things over those years. Burried several COP friends and been to more funerals for COPS than I ever care to go to. It's been my observation that in most cases, people like you who bitch and moan about cops are usually the ones who cause their own problems in the first place and end up with us bad cops on their case. Like now for instance. I have never in my career gone after someone who didn't deserve or ask for my special kind of attention. Why would I? There are plenty of things to do without having to drum up business. I have people like you to do that for me. No shortage of Buttholes in this country or the world. I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime that I charged them with. I've put all kinds of thugs away over the long years. Dopers, muggers, killers, rapist's, robber, thieves, Child Molesters and wife beaters. All Guilty and all deserving of what they got in court. Most never got enough as far as I'm concerned.

I have so often thought that if they would shut down all police agencies for just one day.... one day, that people like yourself would be the first ones crying about how things are in ciaos. Since that's never going to happen, I guess I will forever have to hear ignorant people like you pissin and moanin on how cops are this or that. The bottom line is that your not willing to put your ass on the line for anyone at any time like us COPS are but can sit and criticize us all the time. Try walking in our shoes just once in your life and see what it's like. Maybe then you will see that we do what we do because someone has to. Do us bad COPS a favor and loose our number. Don't call us and we'll only call you when and I mean when you bring it upon yourself. BTW, that (poor me) BS additude doesn't work with COPS. If your being picked on, you probably deserve it.

Yes, there are bad cops in this world and I have worked with a few.... A very few. Still, you choose to lump us all and label us all the same. Pathetic!!!!!  but, no skin off my back. You ask for attention from the Police, you will get it plain and simple. Also, your standing on MY GROUND!

Yep, It's the macho attitude and slim education that made me choose my career.  Just think back to the guys in high school who became cops.  For me, at least, they were either abusive jocks or wimps seeking a way to act out.  I especially love the "I buried..." line, as though police are killed all the time.  Sorry, on the scale of jobs the rate of death of cops is way low.  Or how about the "The bottom line is that your not willing to put your ass on the line for anyone at any time like us COPS are" line?  Let's go back a few years to Columbine.  Kids were being shot, jumping out of high windows, the cops were there, they were there alright, hiding behind their cars.  They certainly weren't putting their lives on the line, pitiful. 

"I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime", really?  Hey, I bet at least 15% of the folks you arrested never had charges filed against them or were found not guilty.  But that's just a technicality, right?  And lastly, you state that you have worked with bad cops.  You had a duty to report those bad cops in every jurisdiction that I am aware of.  If you didn't, you don't deserve to wear a badge. 

But it is easiest to fight this by doing what I did, join the Citizen's Auxiliary Police Force.  Then you are one of the boys.  They protect their own, so just go on a couple of ride alongs, get the dinky card, and unwittingly show it when pulled over.  All is cool because you are on their side of the line.  Right, officer, uh, I mean, compadre?  Kim

[C_stripes]

I've been on the job for 23 years. I've been involved in many things over those years. Burried several COP friends and been to more funerals for COPS than I ever care to go to. It's been my observation that in most cases, people like you who bitch and moan about cops are usually the ones who cause their own problems in the first place and end up with us bad cops on their case. Like now for instance. I have never in my career gone after someone who didn't deserve or ask for my special kind of attention. Why would I? There are plenty of things to do without having to drum up business. I have people like you to do that for me. No shortage of Buttholes in this country or the world. I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime that I charged them with. I've put all kinds of thugs away over the long years. Dopers, muggers, killers, rapist's, robber, thieves, Child Molesters and wife beaters. All Guilty and all deserving of what they got in court. Most never got enough as far as I'm concerned.

I have so often thought that if they would shut down all police agencies for just one day.... one day, that people like yourself would be the first ones crying about how things are in ciaos. Since that's never going to happen, I guess I will forever have to hear ignorant people like you pissin and moanin on how cops are this or that. The bottom line is that your not willing to put your ass on the line for anyone at any time like us COPS are but can sit and criticize us all the time. Try walking in our shoes just once in your life and see what it's like. Maybe then you will see that we do what we do because someone has to. Do us bad COPS a favor and loose our number. Don't call us and we'll only call you when and I mean when you bring it upon yourself. BTW, that (poor me) BS additude doesn't work with COPS. If your being picked on, you probably deserve it.

Yes, there are bad cops in this world and I have worked with a few.... A very few. Still, you choose to lump us all and label us all the same. Pathetic!!!!!  but, no skin off my back. You ask for attention from the Police, you will get it plain and simple. Also, your standing on MY GROUND!

Yep, It's the macho attitude and slim education that made me choose my career.  Just think back to the guys in high school who became cops.  For me, at least, they were either abusive jocks or wimps seeking a way to act out.  I especially love the "I buried..." line, as though police are killed all the time.  Sorry, on the scale of jobs the rate of death of cops is way low.  Or how about the "The bottom line is that your not willing to put your ass on the line for anyone at any time like us COPS are" line?  Let's go back a few years to Columbine.  Kids were being shot, jumping out of high windows, the cops were there, they were there alright, hiding behind their cars.  They certainly weren't putting their lives on the line, pitiful. 

"I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime", really?  Hey, I bet at least 15% of the folks you arrested never had charges filed against them or were found not guilty.  But that's just a technicality, right?  And lastly, you state that you have worked with bad cops.  You had a duty to report those bad cops in every jurisdiction that I am aware of.  If you didn't, you don't deserve to wear a badge. 

But it is easiest to fight this by doing what I did, join the Citizen's Auxiliary Police Force.  Then you are one of the boys.  They protect their own, so just go on a couple of ride alongs, get the dinky card, and unwittingly show it when pulled over.  All is cool because you are on their side of the line.  Right, officer, uh, I mean, compadre?  Kim

WOW.  This is getting out of Line.  I appreciate Police officers and would not want to do their Job. Thank you to the good officers out there! For you people that are saying how bad all cops are. WOW.  I think you take allot forgranted. Like what has been said. There are good and bad in everything. Apparently even in this site. There are a few bad eggs making the rest of us look like ass holes to anyone that comes on here. I think that if you don't have a positive remark. Keep it to yourself. This is going overboard! To any "LURKERS" Sorry that some people are this arrogant. Most people on here are great people.

[Charger71]

I understand that this post is about a man who is venting about a stupid person who did an illegal act.
That is too bad.   Too bad one bad officer was a moron....

Now to the other remarks about not liking cops...

I would like to encourage that person (and anyone who dares) to put those remarks on the back of their car.  Please post that out on their yard like one of those "ADT" signs.  Ask to have it written on their driver's license.... (if they have one) You know, make it obvious to every officer you see.

Who would they call when their Charger is stolen?  Who do they call when someone is abusing them or their family? Try to get insurance claims filed without calling a police officer.

Do you think all police look at people and assume they are all bad?  Should they consider every teenager a meth-head? Is every person a thief?   No, I'll bet it's just a few people that have problems.

Yeah, Yeah...  Police officers are people, too.  By the posts on this site, some of them just like their old Chargers.  You know, car guys. Gearheads.  They have their own problems, too. 

So the next time you are pulled over for speeding...  Thank the officer for only doing his job.  (He isn't profiling for punks.)  He is profiling for speeders no matter what they look like...  If he pulls you over, you are the nearest criminal to him....   Before he leaves, wish him a "good day" and to "stay safe."  You may make a friend...

As you may have already guessed... I too am a police officer of more than 15 years.   Like you all, I enjoy working on my cars.  I teach my kid about cars, about working with your hands, fixing stuff, and how to make a living.    We go cruising and meet other car owners.  Most of all,  I do it to help me forget about dealing with people who "don't like cops."

Charger71.

PS- If you don't pull over for red and blue lights, don't whine about how long it takes for an officer to get to you when you need help.

[bull]

"I have never arrested anyone who wasn't guilty of the crime", really?  Hey, I bet at least 15% of the folks you arrested never had charges filed against them or were found not guilty.  But that's just a technicality, right?  And lastly, you state that you have worked with bad cops.  You had a duty to report those bad cops in every jurisdiction that I am aware of.  If you didn't, you don't deserve to wear a badge. 

I'll only address this part since the rest of it is a bunch of closed-minded, spiteful BS. It sounds to me as if you're saying cops make mistakes 15% of the time and if that's correct that's pretty good. I forget what the average is for what's considered good decision-making in the corporate world but I think it's around 60%, meaning a good businessman makes bad decisions 40% of the time. At any rate I'm sure any organization, corporate or not, would kill to have employees who only made wrong or costly decisions 15% of the time.

And as usual, I think your bigotry toward people without formal college educations is just that, bigotry. I've met hundreds of farmers, mechanics, businessmen, entrepreneurs, inventors, machinists, teachers, cops, etc., who had little or no formal education but can run cerebral circles around the most educated people in this country. Education does not make you smarter. And in this day and age it's more privilege than anything to be able to afford a college degree while at the same time it's becoming less of an asset due to the financial difficulty it creates. In other words, I think more and more people believe that going $40k+ in debt to get a degree does not offset the benefits of what that degree earns you later, if any.

[Todd Wilson]

I guess I'll throw in my storys...........


The night before Thanksgiving last year I left work at about 10:30pm. Heading to the bank $ machine to get some cash to go get a burger and frys to eat as I got home. Suddenly I had lights flashing behind me and my old 74 Dodge truck. Cop gets out and asks me if I knew why I was pulled over. I responded by answering that he was out looking for drunks. After taking my license and running it he asked me for proof of insurance. After a few minutes of me digging thru my glove box and going thru 15 insurance cards I didnt have the newest date card.............So being the villian law breaking POS that I suddenly became I was written a ticket for no proof of insurance. He hands me the ticket and his last words out of his mouth was your tailights are working now I could have swore you had a light out......... it was his lying that gave him the legal reason to pull me over.

As I pulled out of the bank parking lot there were 3 other cop cars with people pulled over and he pulled out of the lot and was instantly on the next poor driver coming down the road and had him pulled over. I see this kind of stuff happen all the time in my town and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I certainly hope no one in town was getting raped,robbed or was about to lose their life waiting on 911 to dispatch the next available cop because several of them were busy with BS!

8 years ago about midnight I was on my way home in my Honda Prelude.  I suddenly was pulled over. I asked what was wrong and they replied I had "loud exhaust". After running my license and seeing that a sober fat grey haired guy in overalls with his hat on right was in the "Lude" they sent me on my way. There were plenty  Semi Trucks rolling by as I was stopped that were 10 times louder then my little Honda car.

Bottom line is a traffic cop can stop you for no reason and he can write you out as many tickets as he sees fit. No matter if he knows the law or not. You then get to take the day off of work missing pay and or having to pay out $ to a lawyer and get the BS charges/tickets dropped. After your expense thats the end of it. Cop still keeps writing out tickets to other people. Its no wonder the courts are bogged down. There is no penalty for the law being wrong. They dont reimburse you expenses you had happen because of some dumbass traffic cop.

Due to society and the laws of this country I cant take care of problems myself like I would like to do. I have to call the cops. Now I know why it takes so long for them to get to my house!


Todd

[bull]

I have one question/comment about your arguments, Todd. You cited an incident 8 years ago and one last year but how many trips do you take in and around your town each year? If you're like me you probably get in a vehicle and drive somewhere 300+ times a year and many of those days you get in and make two, three or four trips a day that total 2-20 miles each time. I'd say I see at least one cop car 50% of the time I go somewhere and yet I'm like you, I've maybe been stopped by the police three times in the past 8-10 years. And I would say I exceed the speed limit at least once per trip, often more. In fact, I can honestly say that pretty much any trip I make, be it one mile or 300, I have deserved a citation. But what trip per stop percentage are we talking here? I'll be conservative and say out of the approximate 3,000 trips I've made in the past 10 years (I bet it's probably more than twice that though) I've been pulled over three times and was given one citation. I'm not very good at figuring percentages so someone help me out here. Isn't that like .0001% of the trips I've made have resulted in a police stop and 1/3 of that number has resulted in a citation? Pretty trouble free IMO.

We should start threads about rude and annoying people in every line of work if we're going to single out cops. I seriously doubt there is a higher percentage of bad apples in the US police force than in any other type of career.

[hutch]

We should start threads about rude and annoying people in every line of work if we're going to single out cops. I seriously doubt there is a higher percentage of bad apples in the US police force than in any other type of career.

Bad apples are one thing, bad apples with a gun/tazer and a badge is another.  They should be held to a higher standard and one bad apple does give the entire batch a bad name for a reason.

If someone who works at a store is rude to me I can say "well I am never coming here again" when a cop is rude I have to keep my mouth shut or I might become bloody in the bottom of a jail.  And charged with all kinds of BS charges.  It happens every day.

I am sure some good cops exist.  The problem is the other small % running around with a gun and a chip on their shoulder with this "you are on my ground" line of thinking that goes against the rights we have as citizens.

I can tell you about the time my son and me were held up with a pipe in the woods when all we had were fishing poles.  I went to the cops and nothing ever happened and they never even tried to search for the guy who did it.

I can tell you about the time my wife was knocked to the ground by some "youths" at a mall and we went to the cops and nothing was ever done about it.  They told us to stay away from that mall.

I can tell you about the time I said to myself, "I guess I just need to get my wife and me a CWP" And you know what?  No one knocks us to the ground or holds us up with pipes anymore.

I have had cops tell me I should not carry a gun because that just will cause more trouble and I have a duty to flee in the event someone tries to rob me.  Job security?  Is that the reason?

I can tell you all about how my sisters family (with two small kids) was ripped out of their house in New Orleans by some real good cops after Katrina.  They had their guns taken away and were told they had to leave and could not come back untill the mayor said it was safe for them.  When they had tons of food and their house was high and dry and they were forced into a fucking camp.  Who gives anyone a right to tell a person they  have to leave their own home and be stripped of their guns like that?  Cops?



What about the fact you can order a pizza and dial 911 at the same time and the pizza is more likely to come first?

The sad truth is Cops #1 job is to create money for the city, state or county they work in by issuing fines and dragging people into court for small traffic or civil issues. 

[terrible one]

I've experienced my share. . . the way I see it, cops are just people. There are good people and bad people; good cops and bad cops.

Remember these people are people first, be it bad people or good people. Some people should never be cops, unfortunately some people that shouldn't be cops do become cops; however, they usually don't last very long. A bad person will make a bad police officer, fact of life.

Oh I agree, just the point I was trying to make. Myself, I've been appalled by the ones around here. Not all of them, but a good few. They sure are quick to bang on the shop door and ask me what my business being there at blah blah blah time is but I don't see a damn one of them around Rock Island or any of the other bad spots because they're being pussies.

[raybeez]

I believe that police officers need to act and present themselves WAY above par...

They are supposed to be setting an example to the community, and they're representing their town (city, etc.) that they work for.

Through my business, I've worked with many police departments/police officers. It's sad to say, but I've come to the conclusion that 75% of police officers are (or were before they became officers) bullies, know-it-alls, or bullies who know-it-all. There are a small minority of officers that I've met through my years that I would be honored to call them friend. But they are so outnumbered by the "other" not so good cops that it's sad. The good cops know who the bad cops are, but the good cops don't want to cause "waves" in their department so they say nothing and try to work around/avoid the bad cops.

After life as a military police officer, I was asked why I didn't become a civilian police officer. I simply state that I cannot lie very well...

Oh, and I've heard all the "the job is so dangerous, you don't know what we go through man" or "the pay doesn't come close to what we deserve" Here's an idea...if the job is that tough (bad), QUIT AND FIND ANOTHER JOB! 

[Todd Wilson]

I have one question/comment about your arguments, Todd. You cited an incident 8 years ago and one last year but how many trips do you take in and around your town each year? If you're like me you probably get in a vehicle and drive somewhere 300+ times a year and many of those days you get in and make two, three or four trips a day that total 2-20 miles each time. I'd say I see at least one cop car 50% of the time I go somewhere and yet I'm like you, I've maybe been stopped by the police three times in the past 8-10 years. And I would say I exceed the speed limit at least once per trip, often more. In fact, I can honestly say that pretty much any trip I make, be it one mile or 300, I have deserved a citation. But what trip per stop percentage are we talking here? I'll be conservative and say out of the approximate 3,000 trips I've made in the past 10 years (I bet it's probably more than twice that though) I've been pulled over three times and was given one citation. I'm not very good at figuring percentages so someone help me out here. Isn't that like .0001% of the trips I've made have resulted in a police stop and 1/3 of that number has resulted in a citation? Pretty trouble free IMO.

We should start threads about rude and annoying people in every line of work if we're going to single out cops. I seriously doubt there is a higher percentage of bad apples in the US police force than in any other type of career.

You are correct the % for me is low. Problem is I have many friends and family in town here that have had the same things done to them. I see it usually everyday with other people I dont know. I wont even go into our Sherrif doing time a few years ago for ripping the city off or the crooked cop that had a theft ring going on in town. Or my buddy who ran a golf course here hosting the annual Law Enforement Charity fund raising golf game. With many many cops playing golf and drinking as much beer as they can on a nice afternoon (nothing wrong with that) and then getting in their cars sloshed and go home. Same guys that 3 nights before had blockades up all over town known as a DUI checkpoint. I see the turn the red lights on to get thru the stoplight intersection because we dont want to wait situation happen all the time.

Maybe its different in a big city verses my small town. I dont know. I've watched the COPS show before and all the BS they deal with. If they filmed here it would be a tv program of hassles and talking to fellow cops in the parking lot of a store.

As for myself I am 37 years old and have never had a speeding ticket and the only wreck I was in while driving a car was 21 years ago when I got rear ended. So I am not some person thats bitter and being "picked on" by the cops.

Todd

[CHARGERMAN2007_69]

ya i dont like em either    Ya i got a speeding ticket for 74.50 for goin 10 mph over the speedlimit    what has this world come to.

[The70RT]

ya i dont like em either    Ya i got a speeding ticket for 74.50 for goin 10 mph over the speedlimit    what has this world come to.

Since everyone is on a roll. Out of probably all the ticket's i ever got most were bullshit and I took them to court and won. I am glad I get free consultation  Once I was  jumping my car and I got a ticket for parking on the wrong side of the road to do so. I said that is the only way to do so. If I would have pulled beside it I would have blocked traffic and he said whatever you would have got a ticket for that too. Then he says I should feel lucky because I could have got an unattended vehicle ticket because I can't watch two vehicles at once. Then the bastard said " you forgot your licence" ....well i didn't ...he just never gave it back with the ticket. My wife came out and heard him and so she went to get my license and just as she reached for it he says this don't look like you and jerked it back before she could get it So I went to get it and he held on kinda tight and so I jerked it away from him and then he said I better settle down before I go to jail... Yeah I beat him in court on that shit. Later on I out ran the bastard when he was running radar but was standing there running radar with no car because his partner had someone pulled over down the street. I pulled up by him and revved to 5K and dropped the clutch and was gone. He stood there jumping up and down hollering STOP STOP! I wouldn't do it now because eluding is a felony, then it was just a misdemeanor. The same cop took a guy to jail because someone backed into his car and the guy working at the hardware said I can't come out because I have customers and have no key to the store. He took him in for a failure to comply and then when they left the store and wouldn't wait till the owner showed up to cover the store and it got ramsacked before the owner got there  This cop is just an asshole...yeah he still is working...harassing or what ever he does.

[Orange_Crush]

Keep in mind that the a-hole to good guy ratio is different in some departments than others.

For example, CMPD (charlotte-mecklenburg) are, on the whole, a pretty decent group of guys.  You get a few a-holes, but, on the whole, they are good guys who are competent, decent human beings.

NC Highway patrol officers, on the other hand,are, almost to a man, worthless SOBs who are probably the products of sweaty one-night unions between an inbred redneck and a 5 dollar crack whore.  They are powermad, douchebags with chips on their shoulders.

SC highway patrol is not much better.

[hutch]

this is the one I love

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=233_1203031330

where a cop busted a firefighter while saving someones life.

Great video.

[bull]

Keep in mind that the a-hole to good guy ratio is different in some departments than others.

For example, CMPD (charlotte-mecklenburg) are, on the whole, a pretty decent group of guys.  You get a few a-holes, but, on the whole, they are good guys who are competent, decent human beings.

NC Highway patrol officers, on the other hand,are, almost to a man, worthless SOBs who are probably the products of sweaty one-night unions between an inbred redneck and a 5 dollar crack whore.  They are powermad, douchebags with chips on their shoulders.

SC highway patrol is not much better.

True. And by nature this line of work will attract people who are on power trips although I think they don't generally last very long in the profession if they have any real accountability. There are many other careers that attract power-trippers too though but few of them offer people the opportunity to crack their customers over the head with a stick when they get unruly. Still, if I had to deal with the scum of the world day in and day out I think I'd be tempted to crack some heads as well. And that's one reason why I don't ever want to be a cop. That said, I think it's a difficult task to be a good cop and it's easy and lazy to be a bad one, just like any other profession where a person has authority.

There is one tip I might share here from a friend of mine who's had a few run-ins with bad cops. He said if the stop starts going south with a local/city cop you are within your rights to request that a state cop or a supervising officer come to the scene and mediate. He's done that a few times with good results.

[HITMAN 149]

LOTS OF ANAMOSITY!!!! YOU KNOW I'M GODDAMN INFURIATED RIGHT NOW!!!!!
HUTCH (AND ALL YOU OTHER COP HATTERS!!!! ) GOOOOOOOOOOOO EFFFFFFFFF YOURSELVES!!! SORRY TROY!!!!! I GUESS BEING IGNORANT.. WASN'T A DISQUALIFIER FOR BEING A FORUM MEMBER?!?!?!?   CALL A CRACKHEAD OR YOUR LOCAL PIMPLE PUSS PIZZA DELIVER KID (SINCE THEY SEEM TO GET THERE QUICKER), NEXT TIME YOU NEED HELP, SEE HOW THEY HELP YA OUT AND  LET ME KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR YA!!!!  YEA ALL THOSE DOUCHE BAG COPS... WE DON'T FRIGGIN LIKE EM EITHER!!
BUT TO SIT HERE AND LIKSTEN TO COMMENTS BASHING ALL MY GOOD FELLOW BROTHERS, AND DOWNGRADING THE AMOUNT OF FRIENDS/FELLOW OFFICERS SOMEONE HAS LOST!! OR TO QUESTION WHAT ETHICS & MORALS WE REALLY HAVE, AND WHAT WE DEAL WITH IS LUDACRISS, AND IS A TYPICAL COMMENT FROM SOMEONE WHO BRINGS POLICE ATTENTION  UPON THEMSELVES, BY DOING STUPID THINGS!!!! SORRRY THAT YOU FEEL.. THAT A PIZZA GET'S THERE QUICKER THAN WE DO... WELL YA KNOW WHAT, MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T LIVE IN A BROKEN DOWN TRAILER IN THE FRIGGIN MIDDLE OF EAST BUMBLEF- -K SOMEWHERE!!! OHHHHH SO THERE, GEEEE NOW HOW DO YOU LIKE IT.. OHHH I'M SORRRY DID I LUMP YOU IN WITH SOME BACKWOODS HILLBILLY?!?!?  I'M A CITY COP.... NOT SOME BACKWOODS LIL POOOO-DUNK COUNTY COP (SORRY NOT TO OFFEND ANY MEMBERS IN THAT CATAGORY?!?!?)  I CHASE GUN TOTING DRUG DEALERS IN A HIGH CRIME/DRUG PROJECT TENAMENT HOUSING AREA, I DEAL WITH DRUNK HIGH SALARYT YUPPIE JACKASSES, ALL WEEKEND LONG WHO COME TO MY TOWN TO PARTY!!!!, I DEAL WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!!!!!! I RUN INTO BURNING FRIGGGGIN BUILDINGS TO TRY & GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT BEFORE THE FIRE DEPT GETS THERE!!!! WHAT THE HELL DO YOU DO... SIT BEHIND A FRIGGIN DESK, STOCK SHELVES?!?!?!? (NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THOSE THINGS, AS LONG AS YOU DO AN HONSEST DAYS WORK, FOR AN HONEST DAYS PAY TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY!!!!!!!)  BUT DON'T SIT HERE ANY DEGRADE US (COPS) AS A WHOLE OR MINIMIZE THE RISK'S THAT WE POTENTIALY ENCOUNTER ON A DAILY BASIS, AS COMPARED TO WORKING AT TARGET.. OR WHEREVER!!!!  GEEEEE DO I GO AROUND SAYING THAT EVERY NON-POLICE MEMBER ON THIS FORUM IS A FRIGGIN CAREER CRIMINAL?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! SOO DON'T LUMP US IN W/ THE BAD COPS!!!! OHHHH AND BY THE WAY.. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR SUCH AN "HONEST"LIVING TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY?!?!?! AND I BET THAT OUT OF ALLLLL THE JOBS/CAREERS THE MEMBERS HAVE ON HERE.... THAT BEING A COP OR A FIREMAN, IS MOST LIKELY AT THE TOP OF CHARTS FOR MOST POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS ON A DAILY BASIS!!!! THE MEDIA SHOWS YOU THE STORY OF THE "BAD COP" ON THE FRONT PAGE ALL THE TIME, BUT THE GOOD COP'S STORY, ONLY GETS A LIL BLURB IN THE  MIDDLE OF THE PAPER!!! JUST LIKE WITH THE OUR TROOPS IN THE WAR!!!
I DON'T NORMALLY LOWER MYSELF TO OTHER JACKASSES LEVELS (HUTCH & SILVER R/T), BUT I'LL BE GODDAMNED IF I SIT HERE, AND KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT, WHEN I KNOW DAMN WELL, I AND ALOT OF MY BROTHERS DO AN HONEST JOB, AND GIVE EVERYONE A FAIR SHAKE...TILL THEY PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!!! NEXT TIME YOU NEED A COP... GO CALL A FRIGGIN CRACKHEAD, SEE WHAT HE DOES FOR YA!!!! YOU GUYS SHOULD PRAY AT NIGHT YOU GET STOPPED BY ME!!!!
THANKS TO ALL THE FORUM MEMBERS WHO SUPPORT US!!! AND TO MY FELLOW BROTHERS IN BLUE OUT THERE!!!...BE SAFE!!!!! 

[68RT4ME]

What about the fact you can order a pizza and dial 911 at the same time and the pizza is more likely to come first?

The sad truth is Cops #1 job is to create money for the city, state or county they work in by issuing fines and dragging people into court for small traffic or civil issues. 

    Edited for BS content.......

HitMan, I'm with ya brother. It's the shear ignorance of it all that get's me. This guy compares the volume of calls coming into 911 to that of calls for a pizza..   Yeo Hutch, I don't even know where to begin    BTW, be glad they don't pay us per arrests made and cut us in on the money we generate in tickets. I would have been retired long ago. I'm going from angry to LMFAO    Oh and, your still standing on my ground 

[MoParMetal]

[ Now where is my donut?

thats what i'm talking about! i want a donut!

[Chris G.]

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