Looks like we're gonna loose another '69

[Dave22443]

Trust me, I was plenty upset about Deathproof.  It was a pathetic waste of time, money and classic cars. 

[superduperbee]

Mabey Dynacorn will start re-popping Chargers too. They already do Camaros, Mustangs and Cudas. This will be more economically feasible than spending 50-60 grand to restore a 318 car someone drug out of a cow pasture, that's mabey worth 20-25 grand when finished? In the meantime, anyone need a driver? LOL  Ray

[Mike DC]

   
I don't like seeing Chargers get smashed either, but people need to keep it in perspective.  These cars are really pretty toasted. 

I'm not saying the jump cars are worthless.  But the usable pieces on each one adds up to a very small percentage of a whole Dodge Charger anymore.


And with AMD's new metal, they'll be reproducing 3/4 of all the pieces that make a Charger different from the other B-bodies of the era.
 

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I don't care what anybody says about what condition a car is in.  If its sound enough that a stunt man feels safe hitting a ramp with it at high speed, then its solid enough to restore.  These cars were unit-bodies.  If there were that much rust in them as some claim, they would collapse the instant they hit the ramp, if not before.

This is what I'm talking about.  You don't get it.  The current jump cars have become a lot more hand-built than people think.  Several of these cars WERE too structurally-unsound to fly when the crew got them. 

Just look at the 2005 Dukesfest GL jump.  The car nosedived into a front flip because the trunk ballast tore through the rusty rear frame of the car when it hit the ramp.  (And that car wasn't even the rustiest one they've jumped lately, either.)



Even the better cars have had compromised floorpans & rockers.  Hand-fabbed floorpan patches & steel plating on weak points in the chassis is pretty common by the time they're built.  Subframe connectors weren't needed for the old TV series jump cars, but SC's have become pretty common on the recent cars just because the rocker panels are so rusty.
 

[Death1970Proof]

I know there was some complaints about it, but I don't recall as much as when they filmed "Death Proof" as destroyed 10 '69 Chargers, and 10 '70 Challengers that supposedly were all solid restorable cars from Texas. That pissed me off. But I remember getting flack about it when I spoke my mind. These guys are jumping a bondo bucket that missed its burial date, and it's a big major deal?, I don't get it

Oooohhh boy I was just waiting on this comment to come up..... Ya know not every '69 charger in that film was destroyed. Tarantino saved one of the really nice ones and you can see it on the version of grindhouse they are showing on stars this month. That '69 is my dream charger and thats what Im building. This film that everybody says is so horrible made me dedicate to going out of my way and finding a charger to bring back to life, and yes mine is in horrible condition. I dont like the destruction on any mopar muscle car but from destruction can come inspiration like mine. Nevermind that dukes of hazzard destroyed 320+ chargers- but when less than 10 get destroyed people go all to #&*!

[Death1970Proof]

You know, the damage would be much less severe if they just used a catch ramp.   

I don't care what anybody says about what condition a car is in.  If its sound enough that a stunt man feels safe hitting a ramp with it at high speed, then its solid enough to restore.  These cars were unit-bodies.  If there were that much rust in them as some claim, they would collapse the instant they hit the ramp, if not before.

No 2nd Gen Charger is "worthless"   

Actually the car is heavily braced, full cage, frame, skid plate etc., or yes it would collapse when it hit the ramp.

Of all things they are jumping a 4 speed car!!!! 

[69bronzeT5]

The Dukes Of Hazzard (TV SHOW) destroyed those cars back when there was lots! Now the number of '69s are decreasing and there are way less left and now movies are destroying them. Theres a difference.

[JimShine]

[JMF]

I don't understand it either, you never saw the General Lee in the show land badly like this so what exactly are they trying to replicate, i'd rather watch a show with a Charger doing power slides and burnouts etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrNhRda8js&feature=related

[Death1970Proof]

I don't understand it either, you never saw the General Lee in the show land badly like this so what exactly are they trying to replicate, i'd rather watch a show with a Charger doing power slides and burnouts etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrNhRda8js&feature=related

Hmmm good thing they dont allow comments for that video......

[JMF]

The music in this one annoys me, they make out they are doing something groundbreaking, I notice there are some of the "Usual Suspects" there too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15kOiYmEsfA

[superduperbee]

I don't understand it either, you never saw the General Lee in the show land badly like this so what exactly are they trying to replicate, i'd rather watch a show with a Charger doing power slides and burnouts etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrNhRda8js&feature=related


Bad jumps were edited out of the TV show. We didn't get to see cars flipping or breaking apart. Pay close attention to the landing and see how the car is miraculously straight in the next shot. These bad landings [Dukes Fest etc.] are from not enough weight in the trunk, parts failure, or driver error.

[TruckDriver]

I don't understand it either, you never saw the General Lee in the show land badly like this so what exactly are they trying to replicate, i'd rather watch a show with a Charger doing power slides and burnouts etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrNhRda8js&feature=related

Hmmm good thing they dont allow comments for that video......

That car if I remember right was the only 4spd car used on the original series that was bought off ebay so they could destroy it. THAT  was a good case of stupidity right there.

[JimShine]

That 4 speed car was never on the series. It was a General Lee Enterprises car. They were an outfit that was licensed by Warner Bothers to exhibit General lee's at events. The cars were owned and built by people not associated with the show.

[Mike DC]

The music in this one annoys me, they make out they are doing something groundbreaking, I notice there are some of the "Usual Suspects" there too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15kOiYmEsfA

One notorious guy in there has lost a bunch of friends since then, but still, you gotta look at that video clip in the context of 2003 (when it was done).


2003 was a TOTALLY different world for a "Dukes of Hazzard" fan.  There had never been a live GL jump before (and certainly nobody thought there would ever be another one after that), the TV cast had announced no more reunion specials, no big-screen DOH movie was in the works or even rumored yet, no "Dukesfest" had ever amassed more than a couple thousand people, etc.   

The whole franchise looked 100% dead in 2003.  That jump event in Covington was something pulled together by a few very dedicated fans to be a nice send-off.   

 

[TruckDriver]

That 4 speed car was never on the series. It was a General Lee Enterprises car. They were an outfit that was licensed by Warner Bothers to exhibit General lee's at events. The cars were owned and built by people not associated with the show.

Oh, okay. I'm no expert on them. Either way, it was still stupid to wreck it.

[Mike DC]

 
Definitely a stupid move to wreck that car.  Just downright ugly by any stretch. 

The body was a bondo bucket like most of the others, but nothing excuses stuffing a numbers-matching Charger of that magnitude.  Even the stunt crew was trying pretty hard to talk the owner out of using that particular car for the jump. 

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If it makes you feel any better, that whole operation went south pretty quickly after that.

   

[Joshua]

I hate to see old cars destroyed for entertainment, but like I've said this before... My take is, as long as mine is sitting in the garage....who cares??? as long as they don't  jump mine, I ain't gonna lose no sleep.

Jason

Yeah man....I don't like seeing it either, but it's THEIR car to do as THEY please.....not mine.

I jump mine when no ones lookin'!   

[Mike DC]

   
I've said it lots of times before --  I'd love to build my jump-proof GL idea.


All I need is for somebody to gimmie a huge pile of money and let me use their shop for a few months. 

   

[superduperbee]

Here's the original thread on this jump.

[Charger_Fan]

I want a calendar.

[CNH 320]

   
I've said it lots of times before --  I'd love to build my jump-proof GL idea.


All I need is for somebody to gimmie a huge pile of money and let me use their shop for a few months. 

   

What's your plan Mike,.. tell us,..

[hemihead]

I see no big deal . Whether it is DOH, Fast and Furious, or Deathproof or any other movie you care to think about . They own the cars and are free to do as they please with them . Besides , there are so many 2nd Gen Chargers out there anymore they remind me of Camaros in the 80's . Everyone has one and you seen one , you seen them all . Just remember the more they wreck the more yours is worth .

[Dave22443]

Hemihead,

  I don't know what things are like up there in PA, but the only plentiful Chargers down here in VA are the new one's.  2nd Gens are extreamly rare around here. I probably average seeing another 2nd Gen once a year if I'm lucky.  Its not any better for the 1st and 3rd Gen's either.  It all depends on your perspective.

[hemihead]

Go to any car show and tell me how many you see ? No offense to anyone but I used to stop and check them out 3 years ago but now I just yawn and walk by . Especially when you have Mr. GM that bought one because it was a " good investment " or it's the " in " thing to own one .
They are becoming like Camaros or Mustangs . Pretty soon you will just order the parts from a catalog and build one from it . Big deal .

[Dave22443]

If I go to a big show around here (over 300 cars), I might see exactly one... maybe.  If mine is there, then there might be two.  The most I have ever seen at one show (with mine included) was three.

Now Camaro's, thats another story.  I could cover an entire show, jumping from Camaro hood, to Camaro hood and never touch the ground.