Rockers ( oh its WORSE) assembly.

[firefighter3931]

Yep, you will need longer pushrods. I would opt for a 5/16 chromemoly piece for the extra clearance....with the mild spring pressures and a hydraulic cam the 5/16 are plenty strong. 


Ron

[mally69]

Yep, you will need longer pushrods. I would opt for a 5/16 chromemoly piece for the extra clearance....with the mild spring pressures and a hydraulic cam the 5/16 are plenty strong. 


Ron

  10-4 .. Ill invest in a set asap.

[mally69]

Here are some pics of the assembly. I got new pushrods that are 5/16 and I have 1 thread below the rocker so the length is good, but I had to remove alot of  metal from the head so they would not rub. Anyhow I got it put in the car and broke it in on saturday and everyting is back on the road again.           Thanks guys for all the help with getting this put back together.                                 

[mally69]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UWDaDX90TVE

Here is a video of my engine running for the first time this saturday. I had it reved to 2200 rpm for about 10 min. everything went good.  the video almost makes my car sound like an airplane in the back round but its not, that is just my engine running.  I do however have a few bugs to get worked out of it.     Sometimes it will idle at 700 rpm where I set it but when im driving around then bump it into nuetral it stays at about 1500 rpm for some reason sometimes.

[RD]

way to go Mally!  glad you worked everything out (fingers crossed )

[69chargerR/T]

Mally, what intake are you running, it looks like an old eddy torker. I had an old eddy torker on my charger, I went to an eddy perf. rpm. I really didn't notice any difference in the two manifolds. If it is an old torker how do you like it, I'm thinking of taking my eddy rpm off and putting my old torker back on  Alan

[mally69]

way to go Mally!  glad you worked everything out (fingers crossed )

Thanks.. 

Mally, what intake are you running, it looks like an old eddy torker. I had an old eddy torker on my charger, I went to an eddy perf. rpm. I really didn't notice any difference in the two manifolds. If it is an old torker how do you like it, I'm thinking of taking my eddy rpm off and putting my old torker back on Alan

Actually mine is a TM-7 edelbrock intake. Funny you asked  But just yesterday I had a guy come up to me and ask if I wanted to buy an old torker 440 manifold which I am going to pick up on friday.

[General_01]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UWDaDX90TVE

Here is a video of my engine running for the first time this saturday. I had it reved to 2200 rpm for about 10 min. everything went good.  the video almost makes my car sound like an airplane in the back round but its not, that is just my engine running.  I do however have a few bugs to get worked out of it.     Sometimes it will idle at 700 rpm where I set it but when im driving around then bump it into nuetral it stays at about 1500 rpm for some reason sometimes.

I am wondering if this is a vacuum problem. You may have a vacuum leak somewhere.

[69chargerR/T]

way to go Mally!  glad you worked everything out (fingers crossed )

Thanks.. 

Mally, what intake are you running, it looks like an old eddy torker. I had an old eddy torker on my charger, I went to an eddy perf. rpm. I really didn't notice any difference in the two manifolds. If it is an old torker how do you like it, I'm thinking of taking my eddy rpm off and putting my old torker back on Alan

Actually mine is a TM-7 edelbrock intake. Funny you asked  But just yesterday I had a guy come up to me and ask if I wanted to buy an old torker 440 manifold which I am going to pick up on friday.

That manifold looks just like the torker. I have heard of the TM-7 but I don't think I ever saw one. They don't make that manifold any more do they ? The TM-7 is a single plane also right ? do you know what the difference is between the TM-7 and the torker ? Alan

[mally69]

way to go Mally!  glad you worked everything out (fingers crossed )

Thanks.. 

Mally, what intake are you running, it looks like an old eddy torker. I had an old eddy torker on my charger, I went to an eddy perf. rpm. I really didn't notice any difference in the two manifolds. If it is an old torker how do you like it, I'm thinking of taking my eddy rpm off and putting my old torker back on Alan

Actually mine is a TM-7 edelbrock intake. Funny you asked  But just yesterday I had a guy come up to me and ask if I wanted to buy an old torker 440 manifold which I am going to pick up on friday.

That manifold looks just like the torker. I have heard of the TM-7 but I don't think I ever saw one. They don't make that manifold any more do they ? The TM-7 is a single plane also right ? do you know what the difference is between the TM-7 and the torker ? Alan

It was about 4 years ago when I got mine, but I was told they didn't make it anymore. Yep it is a single plane intake. When I pick up that old torker ill compare them and let you know what the differences are.

[mally69]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UWDaDX90TVE

Here is a video of my engine running for the first time this saturday. I had it reved to 2200 rpm for about 10 min. everything went good.  the video almost makes my car sound like an airplane in the back round but its not, that is just my engine running.  I do however have a few bugs to get worked out of it.     Sometimes it will idle at 700 rpm where I set it but when im driving around then bump it into nuetral it stays at about 1500 rpm for some reason sometimes.

I am wondering if this is a vacuum problem. You may have a vacuum leak somewhere.

Good call I will start with my reused carb to intake gasket.

[69chargerR/T]

It was about 4 years ago when I got mine, but I was told they didn't make it anymore. Yep it is a single plane intake. When I pick up that old torker ill compare them and let you know what the differences are.

Thanks Mally 

[Charger_Fan]

Glad you have it running again! Here's hoping for a non-breakage summer ahead.

[firefighter3931]

That manifold looks just like the torker. I have heard of the TM-7 but I don't think I ever saw one. They don't make that manifold any more do they ? The TM-7 is a single plane also right ? do you know what the difference is between the TM-7 and the torker ? Alan

The TM7 and Old style Torker look allmost identical from the outside. Same height and basic design but internally they are different. The TM7 is more of a high rpm intake with wider port runners for increased volume. The Torker performs like a dual plane with it's tall narrow runners and makes great bottom end power.

The TM7 and Holley Street Dominator are on par with each other performance wise. The Torker is more like the RPM dual plane with loads of torque but limited upper rpm breathing.

I do however have a few bugs to get worked out of it. Sometimes it will idle at 700 rpm where I set it but when im driving around then bump it into nuetral it stays at about 1500 rpm for some reason sometimes.

Check to make sure the throttle blades aren't getting hung up on the base gasket. Another thing to look at is the vac advance springs/weights....if the weights aren't returning and move freely after you throttle up the advanced timing will keep the engine rpms up.


Good to see it's up and running 



Ron

[mally69]

I just picked up that intake. I bought 2 intakes I bought another tm-7 and the torker ended up being a torker II 440.  I did however find that my carb to intake gaskets was leaking so I replaced that and monkeyed with my 4 corner idle and got it runnging pretty good, its snappy and has great throttle response. And the engine used to shake around when ideling but after playing with those idle adjustments we got the engine to stay still while running.  But I am still going to have to check the weights in the dist. becuase for some reason it is still reving at about 1500 rpm when driving when I bump it into nuetral. But if I come to a stop whith it in gear then put it in nuetral  it will idle down to about 700 rpm.

What is the difference between the old torker 440 and the torkerII 440.?  I know there is a diffence but what I dont know.

[4406pac]

For your fast idle,  have you unhooked your vacumm advance to see if that made a difference. From your video it looked like you had a demon carb, the same thing happened to me, both ports are right next to each other, had it hook to manifold vacuum instead of ported vacuum. I switched to the other port and it solved the problem.
Jim

[mally69]

Yes its on the port closer to the front of the carb and I have the other plugged off that goes straight to the intake manifold vaccum. It doesn't seem to have the power i thought it would have but, that could be becuase it doing more spinning than anything. It is alot harder to get it to hook up. i am going to check the dist. weights tomarrow.

[mally69]

Just a quick question. What do you guys think this build should be putting out Hp wise. around 475hp    Should I be able to run high 12's. with this combo ?

440 bored 60 over
crane gold rockers 1.6 ratio
10.50 compression
Out of the box stealth heads with a better 3 angle valve job
292 dur with a 501.lift cam probably around 530 lift with the 1.6 rocker
tm-7 intake
750 mighty demon carb
1 3/4 hooker super comp headers
I have a mandrel bent full length 3" exhuast with an x-pipe and flowmaster 40 series  delta flow mufflers.
3000-3500 stall
4.10 gears

I am running open headers now    it sounds awesome. And can you imagine The cops do not pull me over in town, they drive past and smile most of the time.

[Musicman]

I don't have all the fine details concerning your build, but assuming the block has not been stroked, and guessing at some of the missing stuff, the number I get is 436 peak hp at 6000 rpm. Of course there are a number of missing variables that could change this number +/-

See what Ron has to say... He is more familiar with the actual details of your build than I am.

[firefighter3931]

Justin, your Stealth headed 440 should easily be in the 450+ HP range and make enough power to run well into the 12's. Getting traction and weight transfer will be the key to quick 1/4 mile times. The car should have no problem achieving 110+ MPH in the 1320 

I don't have all the fine details concerning your build, but assuming the block has not been stroked, and guessing at some of the missing stuff, the number I get is 436 peak hp at 6000 rpm. Of course there are a number of missing variables that could change this number +/-

See what Ron has to say... He is more familiar with the actual details of your build than I am.

Mike, i don't use those HP predictor programs.....just the grey matter 1.0 HP program in my skull. 

Fwiw, i don't find them all that accurate...too many variables and they are mostly based on SB chevy engine models. The more advanced programs like Comps "Camquest" will allow you to input cylinder head data which can drasticly alter the results. I tried using that (Camquest) program on my own engine build with the proper head flow data and it came back pretty close....within 10hp of the actual dyno numbers. 

If you're using dyno2000 you should just toss it. 



Ron

[Musicman]

Hey Ron

I know where you're coming from... I've used a lot of those programs as well, and my opinion is that 95% of them are just a waste of time. As you said there are to many variables, a simple plug & play program will never get you there.
The program I use here is Engine Analyzer Professional, which is far to complex to be considered fun or enjoyable. It goes into great detail on every last aspect of the puzzle. It's a shop tool, and that's about it. However, if you take the time to enter all of the necessary data correctly, it is pretty darn accurate. It's a good tool if you have a shop that does a lot of custom work, this is after all what it was designed for. However, it's not a user friendly program for average Joe, nor is it priced with average Joe in mind.

As I said earlier, I didn't have the necessary info for Justin, so I had to guess at a lot of it... Also the numbers I produced were "Installed" in the car, connected to the exhaust, not Dyno numbers   

Mike 

[Steve P.]

Mally, I may be off my rocker here a bit, but I think you should be in the 490 area. I think, (Could be wrong), that the 1 3/4 headers will add to your low end, but you don't really need help down low. A stock 440 has plenty of low end grunt. I think the 1 7/8" headers will help out upstairs.  I didn't do the science on your cam, but off the top of my head I think the bigger primaries would be better....   

Ron would know better...   

[Musicman]

I'm sure your right up there Justin... I ran the same build again with a couple of small changes to the intake and cam profiles and produced 504 HP at 6500 rpm. Just goes to show you what a difference a couple of small changes will make. So don't worry about it 

Mike

[mally69]

Thanks guys for your input ,  I wish I would have had the extra cash to dyno this build but I didn't. Basically I was just looking for a close estimate which those numbers sound really good to me for a street car that gets some miles put on it. 

[firefighter3931]

I'm sure your right up there Justin... I ran the same build again with a couple of small changes to the intake and cam profiles and produced 504 HP at 6500 rpm. Just goes to show you what a difference a couple of small changes will make. So don't worry about it 

Mike

That's an interesting result Mike. The only problem i see with those results are that the cam will drop off power before 6.5K (not enough duration) and the valves would be into float at that rpm. Hydraulic cams don't like to rev over 6k due to lifter pump-up and on the dyno they begin to drop off hard beyond that rpm range.

Just out of curiosity, how much power was the software showing at 6000 rpm ?



Ron



Ps. We allready know that a box-stock Stealth head is good for ~510 hp based on MFR426 (Mike's) dyno results on his 505 based stroker. That motor is using every ounce of power available in those heads. On a 440 based build the same power can be made but it will come at a higher rpm and with more cam needed.