wow! 11 sec 318 charger

[ereru7]

OMG! met a guy at the strip this weekend who made a few passes in the 11's with a 69 charger. we met up with him in the pits, and wow, yes it was a 318. no aluminum heads!!! he had a stock looking set up. full interior car. i gave him props. he wouldnt give much build info though.

[73chgrSE]

Are you sure it was a 318?

[daytonalo]

Nitrous will make anything go fast !!!

[Ghoste]

And 318's look the same as 410 strokers.

[chargerkid01]

318s are bad ass motors boys! Dont knock them. they run forever. My charger came with a 318 and thats what is going back in it after its rebuilt of course. Now back to they run forever My first vehicle (1988 Dodge Ram 1/2 ton 4wd) Grandpa bought it new then handed it down to me when I got my license three years ago still has the original 318, original tranny, drive shafts, and rear ends has 338000 on it No shit that was not a typo!! See Grandpa drove it all over the state of ohio working road construction, then we used it on the farm, then I got ahold of it hehe. The only thing ever changed on it was the radiator, belts, oilpan, valve cover gaskets, and main seal for the tranny plus a new paint job 7 years ago me and my dad did that great learning experience for me. So those who have 318s think twice before getting rid of it they are a mean motor!!! oh and guess what we still have that old dodge and it is still running strong! My cousin is driving it now ( his chevy to a shit and he sold it )

[ereru7]

no it was a 350.......

[daytonalo]

I owned many 318's before you were even a wet spot !!! Great engine for a 4 door , 440 or Hemi in anything else !!! Questions

[Runner]

And 318's look the same as 410 strokers.

[chargerkid01]

I doubt it would do 11s but it does pull a 285 massey ferguson like its a tonka toy!! they are good motors dont knock them oh and why would there be a 350 thats a chevy motor duh!!

[Ghoste]

Nobody's knocking them, we're just pointing out the fact that a small cube engine with small valves and ports has it's work cut out for it to move a two ton car down the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds.

[73chgrSE]

My friend growing up had an mid-high 11 sec Cuda with a built 360.

[Challenger340]

Nothing wrong with a 318, except it's a "wee-18".

It's a little bit tiny, to be putting out THAT kinda power !

Methinks, somebodies yanking somebodies Melon.

And 318's look the same as 410 strokers.

[superduperbee]

I ran low 12s with a 318 73 Road Runner, but I had W2 heads to make that kind of power.

[Ghoste]

Did you do the build?  If you did, it'd be interesting to know the mods you did to it for other folks wanting to run a 318.

[Jon Smith]

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/mopar/0667em_mopar_318_engine/index.html

[ereru7]

kinda ticks me off that there are disbeliever mopar guys in here. i have seen chevy 302 and 305's run 12's in impalas. but because its not the holy hemi or 440, it cant run that? i have seen some tuff 318's. 

[Ghoste]

Trust me, I have as much skepticism for 302 Impalas running 12's.  Although at least with the 302 there is performance hardware available to make them run.  Remember, the 302 was developed as a RACE engine for the TA program.  The 318 was intended as a passenger car mule.  Chevrolet put a lot of development into their smallblocks and whether we like them or not, the results speak for themselves.  The 318 can be made to run but it requires a lot of work, why not start with everything in your favor?
I'm not saying any of what you are telling me is wrong, I"m not saying that at all.  I am only saying that I'm skeptical without actually knowing what's really in the engine.  Racers tend to be a little "secretive" about some of their builds.

[69Chrgr]

Not real sure about the 318, but quite a few guys here don't want to admit that a stroker smallblock eats a lot of bigblocks here, no doubt. I have both, although my bigblock(Hemi) is work in progress. But my 408 smallblock would take about 80% of the bigblocks on this site, I would even love to prove it if some of them had the balls to meet me locally. I love bigblocks and smallblocks, both have their place. An A body stroker smallblock is a hard combo to beat. However, in my 69 Charger, it needs a bigblock to move all that mass. For some reason, smallblocks are a nasty word on this site however . It's the same in Chevy land too, smallblock vs. bigblock. I watch Pinks all the time, and the smallblock wins most of the time, regardless of make, Chevy, Ford, or Mopar. The only Mopar to win Pinks all out was a smallblock. I can't wait to actually compare the two, once both are complete to compare. It seems most older Mopar guys,(and I respect the hell out of them) don't know much about stroker smallblock Mopars because they've just recently become popular, therefore they compare them with all of the old stock 318's. I'm sure I'll get flamed after this post by someone.

[Runner]

Not real sure about the 318, but quite a few guys here don't want to admit that a stroker smallblock eats a lot of bigblocks here, no doubt. I have both, although my bigblock(Hemi) is work in progress. But my 408 smallblock would take about 80% of the bigblocks on this site, I would even love to prove it if some of them had the balls to meet me locally. I love bigblocks and smallblocks, both have their place. An A body stroker smallblock is a hard combo to beat. However, in my 69 Charger, it needs a bigblock to move all that mass. For some reason, smallblocks are a nasty word on this site however . It's the same in Chevy land too, smallblock vs. bigblock. I watch Pinks all the time, and the smallblock wins most of the time, regardless of make, Chevy, Ford, or Mopar. The only Mopar to win Pinks all out was a smallblock. I can't wait to actually compare the two, once both are complete to compare. It seems most older Mopar guys,(and I respect the hell out of them) don't know much about stroker smallblock Mopars because they've just recently become popular, therefore they compare them with all of the old stock 318's. I'm sure I'll get flamed after this post by someone.

dollar for dollar, pound for pound same compitant engine biulder the big blocks win.  no doubt about it, small blocks can and do run well.    the reason they may not get much respect around here is becasue this is a charger sight with big heavy cars.   is your 408 in a b body, and how fast is it?   

[69Chrgr]

No, my 408 is in a 68 Cuda notchback. I just had a violent experience with it, as it snapped the welds on the spring perches, snapped the u-joint, shoved the snubber into the floor pan and broke in half, and damaged the driveshaft yesterday. I can tell you, a stroked smallblock is nothing to take lightly, as I myself learned yesterday. Yes, pound for pound, the bigblock wins, but the old mentality of stick a bigblock in everything, especially an A-body, is not always the best solution, especially for those that like to turn left and right every now and then. There seems to be some here who think if it ain't got a distributor in front and the engine doesn't weigh 650 pounds, it ain't no good! Again, not everyone, just some. Bigblocks(and I love them!) is not always the only way to go in every dam Mopar body made. Turning left and right without plowing is much less nerve racking.

[69Chrgr]

Oh yeah, I ran a traction limited 11.54@114 @ Texas Motorplex in Ennis Texas before the M/T ET 275/60's. Now my lawnmower is about the only thing I can run as the whole reard suspension/driveshaft has crapped the bed.  I'm pretty bummed out now.

[Runner]

sorry about your problems,  id i agree small blocks definatly have thier place.    the small block mopar has made huge gains in the last 10-15 years.    ive been beat by lots of them.      it looks like you have a good running car.       did you hurt the body of the car?.      i love the a body cudas.

[hemihead]

318 is a great motor for transportation purposes . Never was intended for Hi - Po use . I know of 340 's  and 360 ' s that will put alot of the vaunted and worshipped big blocks on the trailer . Even in B - body cars . Don't ever underestimate the Small block .
Note : There was a 350 MOPAR engine and it was a BB .

[C_stripes]

318's 

You do realize that there is not much HP difference from a 67-71 318 2 bbl and a 72-73 340 4 bbl??

[69Chrgr]

sorry about your problems,  id i agree small blocks definatly have thier place.    the small block mopar has made huge gains in the last 10-15 years.    ive been beat by lots of them.      it looks like you have a good running car.       did you hurt the body of the car?.      i love the a body cudas.

No, I got real lucky. I wasn't going but maybe 25 or 30 mph when it happened. But it was a real eye opener. Luckily, the body is o.k., but it could have been much worse. I have much more respect for the car than I did before. Is that your stable of cars in your avatar? After I finish the Charger, I am wanting to build a Road Runner. I noticed some dam nice ones in your pics. Do you have all of those right now?

[Death1970Proof]

I've seen some 318's that were just all out tough!! You can stroke them to a 390 to  . Unlike a 340, people will just about give you a 318 block to get it out of the way. My '70 charger will have a small block and not to brag but Id say it'd put alot of much larger engines on the trailer. I like big and small blocks ,but never underestimate what any small block mopar can do. There are some sick fast ones out there

[Ghoste]

318's 

You do realize that there is not much HP difference from a 67-71 318 2 bbl and a 72-73 340 4 bbl??

You do realize that 340 were grossly under-rated to begin with and that in your comparison the 318 is gross hp and the 340 is net?

[hemihead]

318's 

You do realize that there is not much HP difference from a 67-71 318 2 bbl and a 72-73 340 4 bbl??

You do realize that 340 were grossly under-rated to begin with and that in your comparison the 318 is gross hp and the 340 is net?

They didn't call the 340 " Little Hemi " for nothing . 

[69Chrgr]

No, my 408 is in a 68 Cuda notchback. I just had a violent experience with it, as it snapped the welds on the spring perches, snapped the u-joint, shoved the snubber into the floor pan and broke in half, and damaged the driveshaft yesterday. I can tell you, a stroked smallblock is nothing to take lightly, as I myself learned yesterday. Yes, pound for pound, the bigblock wins, but the old mentality of stick a bigblock in everything, especially an A-body, is not always the best solution, especially for those that like to turn left and right every now and then. There seems to be some here who think if it ain't got a distributor in front and the engine doesn't weigh 650 pounds, it ain't no good! Again, not everyone, just some. Bigblocks(and I love them!) is not always the only way to go in every dam Mopar body made. Turning left and right without plowing is much less nerve racking.

What's the matter hickboy, farm welds dint work too goot?   "Aint" isn't a word  smart guy 

I thought you and I agreed not to speak? Maybe I should get your mother to weld them, as soon as she parks her gravel truck for the weekend maybe I can hire her.

[69Chrgr]

Fair enough. Then I'll hire her to make me a lasagna. And it better be good dammit.

[Runner]

sorry about your problems,  id i agree small blocks definatly have thier place.    the small block mopar has made huge gains in the last 10-15 years.    ive been beat by lots of them.      it looks like you have a good running car.       did you hurt the body of the car?.      i love the a body cudas.

No, I got real lucky. I wasn't going but maybe 25 or 30 mph when it happened. But it was a real eye opener. Luckily, the body is o.k., but it could have been much worse. I have much more respect for the car than I did before. Is that your stable of cars in your avatar? After I finish the Charger, I am wanting to build a Road Runner. I noticed some dam nice ones in your pics. Do you have all of those right now?

  glad to hear your body diidnt get hurt, ive seen chevys break an axle at the track and do mean things to quarterfenders bwecasue of the c-clip axles.  if i owned a chevy id definatly have c-clip elimnators.

     i do have all the cars in the sig right now.   im a little embarrassed to have them all to be honest.   every car except the 71 roadrunner was bought as a project,  thats the only way we couuld afford them. and even the 71 roadrunner work has been spread out over 24 years.  we, as a family pretty much just like our old cars so thats what we spend our money on.

[69Chrgr]

sorry about your problems,  id i agree small blocks definatly have thier place.    the small block mopar has made huge gains in the last 10-15 years.    ive been beat by lots of them.      it looks like you have a good running car.       did you hurt the body of the car?.      i love the a body cudas.

No, I got real lucky. I wasn't going but maybe 25 or 30 mph when it happened. But it was a real eye opener. Luckily, the body is o.k., but it could have been much worse. I have much more respect for the car than I did before. Is that your stable of cars in your avatar? After I finish the Charger, I am wanting to build a Road Runner. I noticed some dam nice ones in your pics. Do you have all of those right now?

  glad to hear your body diidnt get hurt, ive seen chevys break an axle at the track and do mean things to quarterfenders bwecasue of the c-clip axles.  if i owned a chevy id definatly have c-clip elimnators.

     i do have all the cars in the sig right now.   im a little embarrassed to have them all to be honest.   every car except the 71 roadrunner was bought as a project,  thats the only way we couuld afford them. and even the 71 roadrunner work has been spread out over 24 years.  we, as a family pretty much just like our old cars so thats what we spend our money on.

Then that's what I'd call family values. Awesome! That SuperBee is kick ass. Hell, all of them are. If you're ashamed of any of them, you can keep them in my shop so you don't have to worry about them. Have you had any of them at the track?

[chargerkid01]

Don't anyone say a word but now I cant argue big block or small block anymore!! I love my 318s but guess what guys and gals I'm in the process of buying another charger and guess what it has a 440 in it.. I hope everything goes through it should be here within a cfew days.

[Runner]

the roadrunner gets raced 3-7 times a year.    best pass is a 11.35@118.46    with 4.57 gears   a switch to a more streetable 4.10 and the best so far is 11.37@119.92 mph.     the superbee clone is my daughters car and hasnt seen the track yet.... i really have no idea how fast of slow it is it does have a fresh 440 in it but coming up with the cash to race it is something she hasnt done,  closest track is 100 miles away..  the 68 satelllite has gone a best of 13.80@102 mph with my wife driving when it had the auto and a 2800ih converter  and 3.23 gears on bfg radial t/as, not fast but not horrible i guess for a car that gets driven everyday, when i left for work this morning it was snowing!  i have no idea what it runs now with the 4 speed, i dont know if its faster or slower but its fun to drive. the pink car is a bone stock 318 its pretty slow, but a fun cruiser. i dont ever really drive it, its my wifes thing.   the dart is kind of a car that my wife bought for 250 dollars with a blown up slant 6.  we bought a used slant 6 for 100 bucks and got it running.... nothing real speical there.

    im not embarrassed of the cars, its kind of hard to explain but i guess im kinda embarrassed that i have 5 of them......   

[Nacho-RT74]

and ppl keeps despiting about THOSE LITTLE 318 

[JimShine]

You can see what a 318 can be built into here http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,283.0.html

The question I asked myself was "Is it worth doing?" For me its not. You start out with more HP and torque in a big block stock configuration. You can take either motor over and above if you are willing to throw money at them, but bottom line is the big block will always have more potential in the end. It just depends on how far you are willing to go.

[Nacho-RT74]

worths doing if:

-you are outside USA and is the only engine you have around

-rare matching number and want to keep factory engine

-wants to challenge with a "little" SB

-wants a "sleeper"

-show what is posible with a SB, getting practically same numbers than a mild BB

-lighter setup

-on nowdays save some gas on street and still get PERFORMANCE

etc...

same about /6 owners

[Runner]

  i buy some of your points but if you really care about the numbers matching motor then there are 2 ways to deal with the motor. the first is to biuld it stock and live with what it puts out and never push it, the second is to put it in the corner and biuld a bigger small block if your wanting alot of power.   

[Nacho-RT74]

  i buy some of your points but if you really care about the numbers matching motor then there are 2 ways to deal with the motor. the first is to biuld it stock and live with what it puts out and never push it, the second is to put it in the corner and biuld a bigger small block if your wanting alot of power.   

well you can still spice it up inside, use 302 heads and keep stock outside, so no one will know what you really have there... perfect sleeper

at the end is taste stuff

[Death1970Proof]

worths doing if:

-you are outside USA and is the only engine you have around

-rare matching number and want to keep factory engine

-wants to challenge with a "little" SB

-wants a "sleeper"

-show what is posible with a SB, getting practically same numbers than a mild BB

-lighter setup

-on nowdays save some gas on street and still get PERFORMANCE

etc...

same about /6 owners

Right on!!

Never underestimate the 318

You can take an A body slap some 3.55's or 3.91's out back ,use a lunati voodoo 268 (494/513), with a mild converter,shaved 360 heads w/3 angle valve job, your choice of a good dual plane intake (weiand stealth or eddy rpm air gap) and carb, then bolt on a cheap set of headers with some MSD ignition and let me tell ya ....you will surprise more than one person with this.....

I like small blocks including 318's because unlike some mopar engines, 8 of 10 times people will let you have them FREE. Punch it out to a 390 and let em wonder  . Same with a 408 , done right they are plum POTENT!!

My charger will be small block powered. Im in debate with using a 390 or 408. I like bb's to but with a small block I can have a car that runs cooler and handles better. Seems all the bb's we have had ran on the warm side. I can also use a 904 which takes alot less power to run than a 727. 

[Ghoste]

Interestingly, nearly all of these 318 builds involve stroking it out to the 400 inch area.  

[RD]

Interestingly, nearly all of these 318 builds involve stroking it out to the 400 inch area. 

makes ya wonder why they dont just get a b block 400?

[Nacho-RT74]

maybe one or all the same reasons explained above

[Ghoste]

My point was just being a little sarcastic Nacho.  I was noticing that almost everyone who posted about a powerful 318 had stroked it nearly a hundred cubes.  It isn't really a 318 anymore after that.

[chargerkid01]

thats no worse than people taking 440's and strking them right??? I guess then you don't have a 440 then do ya. Its all on people's preferance to what motor they want!!!

[Nacho-RT74]

My point was just being a little sarcastic Nacho.  I was noticing that almost everyone who posted about a powerful 318 had stroked it nearly a hundred cubes.  It isn't really a 318 anymore after that.

yeah I got it ... but as stated:

maybe one or all the same reasons explained above

[Ghoste]

thats no worse than people taking 440's and strking them right??? I guess then you don't have a 440 then do ya. Its all on people's preferance to what motor they want!!!

And people with 500+ cubes often try to pretend their motors are smaller too.  The point I am trying to make is that to propel a 3800 pound car down the track with 318 cubic inches takes a LOT of work and that most of the people who have responded with posts about powerful 318's have either stroked them to 400 cubes and/or put the engine into a much lighter body. 

[AmadeusCharger500]

I kept the 318 in my car for one of those reasons stated above. It is the original engine. I like the fact it is the original engine. I like the fact some old guy owned this car for its whole life and only put 40k miles on it, so I want to keep some of its originality. The engine is the soul of my car.
I also like the fact I might get decent gas mileage and still have a really cool car to drive to work sometimes(5 miles away). I know there are a lot of 1/4 mile guys here and their views are bent on that, and I had hopes of doing this one day too. But practicality allows for me driving my car to work and around town. I can still blow some cars off at the lights too!

I also did some of the mods stated above. 302 heads with a 3angle, edelbrock performer rpm intake, Lunati voodoo 262 cam(.475,.494), and set of hedman headers. I've been running it around town since the rebuild without reallly doing a good job tuning it and it still runs damn strong!
Finally got my head on straight and began timing and tuning the carb. Its easy to get lost in the fun of driving your "new" car.

[chargerkid01]

Exactly I never ever plan on running my charger down the track I have the original 318 and thats what is going in it!! now if I bought a non #s matching car it would definatley be a 383 or bigger is is the originality of the motor and my piont is a 318 is still potent as I said before I have an 88 ram with 337000 ORIGINAL miles on the ORIGINAL 318 still runs fine today and stills hauls the big farm tractor around and oh yeah its a half ton automatic 4x4.

[RallyeMike]

Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 05:50:34 AM

has 338000 on it No shit that was not a typo!!

Posted by: chargerkid01 Today at 01:51:28 PM

I have an 88 ram with 337000 ORIGINAL miles on the ORIGINAL 318

Too bad you can't get it out of reverse.

[chargerkid01]

I havent been in that truck since I bought the new one when I stopped driving it it had 337000 on it, my cousin is driving it now, he said it had 338000 on it well I checked it and it hasn't made it their yet so I will cosider it at 337000 sorry about that guys thats my fault!!!! I'll give you some history on it. My grandpa bought it new and drove it over the road all over the state for work, about 7 or so years ago (before I got into keeping track of dates and documentation) we did a half a$$ paint job on it to keep it from rusting out. When I turned 16 and got my license and it was handed down to me I drove the hell out of it... Well I got a girlfriend and some other things so I bought a 95 ram extended cab (new to me lol) almost a year ago! I parked the old truck with 337000 on it!! I do have that writen down on a peice of paper in the glove box. Then about 4 months ago my cousins chevy took a shit on him. Grandpa said he could use the old dodge untill he found something else; he is still driving it today. when I asked him how many miles was on it he said 338000 when I checked it it was 337524. Take it as you want either 337000 or 338000 the truck has rolled over 3 times so that is 300000 miles plus what is on the odometer now!! sorry I guess that is what happens when you stop driving something and let someone else drive it!! I'll post a pic later!!

[Runner]

i wonder, from a numbers stand point what is worth more. my 68 satellite 318 bench seat car or the same car now with a 383-4 speed surgrip and bucket seats....   same thing gos for my daughters car. 69 coronet 440 318 car or a 69 bee clone with a 440.    for me.... i just need more cubes, be it a small block stroker or a bb in my b bodys.

[ereru7]

saw the guy with the charger again saturday at the track. Got to talking,
340 j heads redone
victor intake (matched to heads)
30 over 318 block
no more info
there was no nitrous set up.
it does have a race trans
cal trach mono leaf suspension
4:30 8 3/4
11:40's in the qaurter mile

[RallyeMike]

saw the guy with the charger again saturday at the track. Got to talking,
340 j heads redone
victor intake (matched to heads)
30 over 318 block
no more info
there was no nitrous set up.
it does have a race trans
cal trach mono leaf suspension
4:30 8 3/4
11:40's in the qaurter mile

Ya, but how many miles does it have on it? 

[ereru7]

 

[craigandlynda]

all things considered, remember:

"There is NO REPLACEMENT
for BIG DISPLACEMENT"

Dollar for dollar, pound for pound, when it comes to performance, size REALLY DOES matter!
don't misunderstand, I LUV THE 318- (i even have a favorite year- 1967) but from a practicality point, starting with big cubes works better

[Challenger340]

This one's got my curiosity perculating ?

74 Charger, W/ "318" ,   going 11.40's ?

What MPH is he clocking with those 11.4's ?  Did you notice ? VERY IMPORTANT !

It can be done, yes, but why ?

Those setups are typically old "Super Stock" class type stuff, dunno what class he'd "fit" in a 74 Charger ?

Does it leave like gangbusters with a great 60 ft., then basically just make a bunch of noise, the rest of the way down the strip ?

[knitz01]

Hi new here. Just go a 69 charger with 318.  was wondering if warm it up a bit(302 heads with a 3angle, edelbrock performer rpm intake, Lunati voodoo 262 cam(.475,.494), and set of hedman headers) put in a 3.55 gear(has suregrip) maybe stall converter will it smoke the tires.
I know it sound foolish, but the "old man" said" its only a 318 it won't even cherp them"

[Ghoste]

Set up properly a 318 will smoke the tires right down to the rims.  Engine size is only a part of an overall equation and trust me, there are plenty of 440's out there that can't smoke the tires.

[G-man]

318 cube motor if built propperly, the way european engineers build their engines, can produce 572 horsepower (not stroked).

Having said that I believe it can run that time.

But on other hand, taking the same formula a big block 440ci built the exact same way (which it also can be) will produce 792 horsepower.

So though small block can do it, it will be under a hell alot of stress and a hell of alot of $$$ will be spent. You can start with a 440 and with just a minor twist here and there u can get 572hp and will be cheaper to drive around on gas and will last a hell of a lot longer and wont drive like a pig.

So...

BIG BLOCK ALL THE WAY!