need help decoding fender tag on 71 Chally convert

[resq302]

I was wondering if someone on here can look at this fender tag and assist me with breaking down the tag and telling me if the fender tag is indeed a real one.  My parents are looking at buying a 71 Challenger Convertible with a 383 and auto with a console.  It is pretty much a bare bones Challenger but it is painted a high impact color of Sublime Green.  I have been able to break down some of the codes but the rest stump me.

Here is a pic of it.


Thanks for everyones help.

[resq302]

a pic of the car

[Charger-Bodie]

It has a '70 side stripe. 

[resq302]

Yes, that I was aware of as I do not believe they made any convertible R/T's in 71.  We are not that particular if it is an R/T or not.  My parents just would like to get either a 70 or 71 Challenger convert.  Engine sizes is not important to them.

[justin1987]

I tried to decode it the best I could, but some of the numbers and letters were hard to read. I hope this helps.

http://www.stockmopar.com/mopar-fender-tag-decoder.php?Code1=&Code2=&Code3=&Code4=&Code5=&Code6=&Code7=&Code8=&Code9=&Code10=&Code11=&Code12=J46&Code13=N95&Code14=P37&Code15=R11&Code16=V6X&Code17=EN2&Code18=V3X&Code19=u&Code20=C16&Code21=C55&Code22=g15&Code23=J45&Code24=GY3&Interior=H6X9&Code25=000&DateCode=824&OrderNum=022764&Code26=E61&Code27=d32&Vin1=JH27&Vin2=L18&Vin3=104731&vin=JH27L18104731&Submit=Decode

Code Description
E61 383-2 Barrel
032 Unknown At This Time
JH27 J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible
L18 L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
8 = Export
104731 Sequence Number '104731'
GY3 Paint Code: Citra Yella
H8X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
8 = Vinyl 50/50 Split Bench Seat
X9 = Black
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
824 Date Built: 8 / 24 / 1970
022764 Order Number: 022764
V3X Roof Type OR Color:  Black Convertible Top
H Unknown At This Time
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
C15 Special Sound Insulation Package 70s80
J45 Hood Tie Down Pins
J45 Hood Tie Down Pins
N95 Nox Exhaust Emission Control
P37 Power Convertible Top
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V6X Black Longitude Sports Stripe
EN2 End of Codes Assembly Line 2

[triple_green]

Fairly similiar to mine. 383-2 Canadian export car. Low options. This one has hood pins. Mine has fr disk brakes.

Just like mine. someone has taken the time to make this a 71 R/T clone. I'm pretty sure no R/T convertibles in 71.

Does it have the matching #'s engine? Mine was long gone when I got it.


3X

[hemigeno]

Lemme help out a little bit with this list (great start, justin)

I tried to decode it the best I could, but some of the numbers and letters were hard to read. I hope this helps.


Code Description
E61 383-2 Barrel
D32 = Automatic Transmission
JH27 J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible
L1B L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
B = Hamtramck (Dodge Main) Assembly Plant
104731 Sequence Number '104731'
GY3 Paint Code: Citron Yella
H6X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
6 = Vinyl Bucket Seats
X9 = Black
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
824 Date Built: 8 / 24 / 1970
022764 Order Number: 022764
V3X Roof Type OR Color:  Black Convertible Top
H Unknown At This Time  (That's a puzzler - maybe Doug/69CoronetRT or Barry Washington has some ideas on this??)
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
G15 Tinted Windshield Only
J45 Hood Tie Down Pins
J46 Locking Fuel Cap
N95 Nox Exhaust Emission Control
P37 Power Convertible Top
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V6X Black Longitude Sports Stripe
EN2 End of Codes Assembly Line 2

Nice car, Brian!

[41husk]

very nice!

[69CoronetRT]

Lemme help out a little bit with this list (great start, justin)

I tried to decode it the best I could, but some of the numbers and letters were hard to read. I hope this helps.


Code Description
E61 383-2 Barrel
D32 = Automatic Transmission
JH27 J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible
L1B L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
B = Hamtramck (Dodge Main) Assembly Plant
104731 Sequence Number '104731'
GY3 Paint Code: Citron Yella
H6X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
6 = Vinyl Bucket Seats
X9 = Black
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
824 Date Built: 8 / 24 / 1970
022764 Order Number: 022764
V3X Roof Type OR Color:  Black Convertible Top
H Unknown At This Time  (That's a puzzler - maybe Doug/69CoronetRT or Barry Washington has some ideas on this??)
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
G15 Tinted Windshield Only
J45 Hood Tie Down Pins
J46 Locking Fuel Cap
N95 Nox Exhaust Emission Control
P37 Power Convertible Top
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V6X Black Longitude Sports Stripe
EN2 End of Codes Assembly Line 2

Nice car, Brian!

It looked like an "H" at first to me too due to the flash reflection but if you look very closely, you can see that it is a "U" meaning built for US sale. This also jives with the VON number format.

I'm not as familiar with the 71 Hamtramck tags as Barry probably is. I would get in touch with him directly to ask if the tag is remade.

[69CoronetRT]

Oh and yes...great looking car. 

[resq302]

Thanks everyone.  It is not our car yet.  The car is looking to be purchased by my parents for my mom.  Dad has the el camino, I have the Charger, and mom's first car was a 70 Chally hard top.  She now wants a convert.  That H is definetly an H, not a U.  When we were trying to decode it, I copied it to the Paint program and inverted the colors and it stood out as an H there.  The engine is not a numbers matching engine and it currently has a 4 bbl carb on it.  The car has had a ground up resto about 5 years ago according to the dealership.

Was Citron Yellow the same as Sublime?  Only reason why I ask is that the dealership is calling it Sublime Green.

[resq302]

Also, would anyone have a break down of how many cars came with the 383-2 and the Y3 Citron Yellow?

Just wondering if this is a rare car?

[41husk]

Just being a vert makews it rare!!!

[69CoronetRT]

Was Citron Yellow the same as Sublime?  Only reason why I ask is that the dealership is calling it Sublime Green.

No. Citron Yella was a very bright yellow. Sublime is a green. My friend's Dart is supposed to be GY1

[resq302]

Ok, next question.... is anyone on here who lives out near Holland, Michigan that knows 71 Chally verts and what to look for that is typically wrong on them that could help us out and go check it out for us?  If so, please PM me.

Thanks,

Brian

[resq302]

I saw on the Dodgeforums.com site that someone had a break down of the 71 Challengers.  I tried to register but for some reason, I am not getting the email confirmation so I can sign in.  Does anyone know where I could get this breakdown of production numbers or could someone contact TeeWJay426 from that board and see if he can help me out with production number breakdowns?

Thanks,

Brian

[triple_green]

If it was an export, how would it be designated on the tag?

[69CoronetRT]

If it was an export, how would it be designated on the tag?

An "I" would replace the "U" and the Vehicle Order Number (VON) would start with an "E".

[triple_green]

Look what happens when I run my 71 vert from Canada thru the decoder versus the car we are discussing....

Code   Description
JH27   J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible


L18   L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
8 = Export
XXXXXX   Sequence Number 'XXXXXX'
C   Built For Canada Specs
(MY Car)




Code   Description
JH27   J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible


L18   L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
8 = Export
XXXXXX   Sequence Number 'XXXXXX'
H   Unknown At This Time
(Your car)

[hemigeno]

I think a big mistake being made here is that the VIN reads L1B and not L18.  I have never seen or heard of a numeral in the assembly plant designator for 68-71 cars.  The B represents Hamtramck, where all Chally 'verts were produced in 71.  Nothing can be inferred from the VIN about any car's status as an export vehicle.

The S.O. number, as Doug alluded to, will give some clues - but the VIN never does.  I think the car Brian is looking at is "just" a California car (evidenced by the N95, as he's already discovered).  Not a bad find, no matter what.

I'm still not sure about the "H" or any other character in a similar location on that second line though...

[triple_green]

Geno you are right...my tag is a B not an 8. Here is the decode...

Code Description
JS27 J = Dodge Challenger
S = Special
27 = Convertible
L1B L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
B = Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA
XXXXXX Sequence Number 'XXXXXX'
C Built For Canada Specs

[triple_green]

More data on the single alpha code:

U means the car is built to USA specs. On '71 and later cars, this space will have one of three possible codes: U, USA specs.; C, Canadian specs; I, built for International export.

From: maxwedge.com

[Belgium R/T -68]

Ok, next question.... is anyone on here who lives out near Holland, Michigan that knows 71 Chally verts and what to look for that is typically wrong on them that could help us out and go check it out for us?  If so, please PM me.

Thanks,

Brian

Brian, could you PM me the name of the dealer? Have bad experience with one there. // Per

[resq302]

Ok, I just got word for my dad that he called the dealership to find out what the actual codes were on the fender tag so that should clear stuff up.  However, his cell phone died in the process of him giving me the codes.....so the mystery continues for a little while til my dad gets home from work.  

Also, the dealership told dad that the car currently has a FL title and seems to have all original sheet metal on it per a body shop that does their work.

Geno,

The know Vance pretty well and have said that Vance has done some work for them for their shop.  So I am guessing that this dealership is pretty good and not some get rich quick stealerships.

[resq302]

here is an inverted color picture of the fender tag still looking like an H to me.  Maybe it was a typo?  1 of 1?   

[FLG]

Played with it a bit in photoshop, deff looks like an "H". Also asked some people who know nothing about cars (unbiased answers) to tell me what letter that is, all have said "H".

[resq302]

Ok, dad just got home and here is the fender tag true codes according to what the dealership told him.

J46  N95  P37  R11  V6X  EN2
V3X  U    C16  C55  G15  J45
GY3 H6X9 000 824  022764
E61  D32  JH27 L1B 104731


Guess the H was really a U after all.  Ha ha.

[FLG]

Haha, nice...well looking at it now you can SEE its a "U"...doh 

[resq302]

So the only thing that we were off on was the U and the P17 that really is a P37.

Now what is the code P37???

Time to hit the web....

Oops, just saw the original break down which was the power convert roof.

[triple_green]

Just for fun here the full decode on my car.

Code Description
E61 383-2 Barrel
D32 H-D A-727 TorqueFlite Trans / Some Years A-998
JH27 J = Dodge Challenger
H = High
27 = Convertible
L1B L = 383 275HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1 = 1971
B = Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA
150394 Sequence Number '150394'
FE5 Paint Code: Bright Red / Rally Red
H6X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
6 = Vinyl Bucket Seats
X9 = Black
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
928 Date Built: 9 / 28 / 1970
B38519 Order Number: B38519
V3W Roof Type OR Color:  White Convertible Top
C Built For Canada Specs
A04 Basic (Radio) Group
A46 Exterior Trim / Mold Group
B51 Power Assisted Brakes
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
G33 Left Hand Outside Mirror - Manual / Chrome
J25 3 Speed Variable Wipers
M31 Belt & Hood Molding
M42 Front End Molding
M44 Hood & Fender Molding
P37 Power Convertible Top
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V5X Black - Mouldings - Protective Insert Body Side
EN2 End of Codes Assembly Line 2

Anything unusual?

[Anders]

Thanks everyone.  It is not our car yet.  The car is looking to be purchased by my parents for my mom.  Dad has the el camino, I have the Charger, and mom's first car was a 70 Chally hard top.  She now wants a convert.  That H is definetly an H, not a U.  When we were trying to decode it, I copied it to the Paint program and inverted the colors and it stood out as an H there.  The engine is not a numbers matching engine and it currently has a 4 bbl carb on it.  The car has had a ground up resto about 5 years ago according to the dealership.

Was Citron Yellow the same as Sublime?  Only reason why I ask is that the dealership is calling it Sublime Green.

You got some really cool parents if dad's driving camino and mom is soon to be steering the chally
Nice car btw

[resq302]

and that is only for car shows to go in....

[resq302]

Well, dad put a deposit down on the car today after we had a person from the Moparts board check out the car for us.  I can not say enough nice things about Paul who checked out the car.  He knew his E-bodys well and checked all of the typical problem areas in which he found no serious problems.  There is a couple of issues that can be taken care of on an as need basis to enhance the appearance of the car but nothing that would require a ton of work.  Aside from the paint overspray where they did the door jambs and under the car, the body was in pretty good shape.  The prep work for the paint on the underside of the hood was peeling and so was the recessed areas of the trunk under the mat.  Again, nothing that cant be sanded and reshot quickly till we have the entire car repainted eventually.  The rear door panels will need to be replaced as someone put speakers in there and cut holes in it.  The dash has the typical crack by the speaker.  No leaks from the engine aside from the usual weapage from an engine running.  The chrome is in good driver conditiong which if and when we get the car painted in the years to come, would be redone anyway.  All in all, Paul really could not find nothing majorly wrong with the car.  Only downfalls is that the numbers match engine is long gone and the paint is the incorrect color right now. 

Looks like one of our toys will have to be stored inside the trailer from now on till we can find me a house with a garage.  ha ha.

[TeeWJay426]

Hi Brian. Sent you an e-mail with the info you requested. (TeeWJay426 at DF is the same TeeWJay426 here.... )

[resq302]

We were lucky enough to contact the previous owner who said not to walk away from this deal but to RUN hard and fast!  Said he bought the car and had nothing but problems with it and ended up returning it to the dealership where it is currently for sale.  Granted, we had someone physically check out the car and he gave it a thumbs up but from hearing the horror stories from the previous owner, we decided to let it pass as he also informed us on some other stuff with the car and dealership.  Needless to say, it sounds like that dealership is BAAAADD news.  So we are still on the look out for a decent driver quality 70 or 71 Chally convert that we can fix up for mom.

[71ChallengeHer]

Brian, I sent you a PM

[71ChallengeHer]

Brian, You didn't get my PM cause your message box is full. I know where there is a 70 Chally Vert. [http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Challenger-1970-Challenger-Convertible_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6198QQihZ023QQitemZ360020059424QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW   If your interested I have Tony's #. Hopefully he didn't sell it yet.