The NASCAR Thread

[odcics2]

Yep, if yah can't beat'm .. wreck'm ! "I saw it was raining in the next turns, so I decided it was time to get to the front" ! 

Earnhardt say that?   

[A383Wing]

Yep, if yah can't beat'm .. wreck'm ! "I saw it was raining in the next turns, so I decided it was time to get to the front" ! 

Earnhardt say that?   

No, Jimmy Johnson said that yesterday after he won the race in the interview

[TruckDriver]

Don't forget about the Twin Duel races tonight at 6pm eastern time. (about a half hour from now) On FOX SPORTS ONE.

[djcarguy]

      GREEN FLAG  FEW MINUTES     

[TruckDriver]

I hope it is more exciting then the Xfinity race was yesterday. My god that was boring..

[JB400]

Well, that sucks for the 95.  Had a great run going for such an under rated team.

[odcics2]

Damn Toyota won.  

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike DC]

             
I get the feeling that Toyota's biggest mistake was coming into NASCAR and getting too good too fast.  

If they had started off terrible, spent 6 or 7 years working their way up, not running unpopular drivers, and kept their cheating busts below average . . . it might have gone over a lot better.  More people would be feeling like they had 'paid their dues' by now.  

[Chargen69]

I couldn't believe I had dropped to a new low.

I WAS ACTUALLY PULLING FOR KYLE BUSCH TO WIN.

anybody but JL... 

[odcics2]

I couldn't believe I had dropped to a new low.

I WAS ACTUALLY PULLING FOR KYLE BUSCH TO WIN.

anybody but JL... 

Really?   

[A383Wing]

I was rooting for Kyle or Denny to win, this was dedicated to the passing of JD Gibbs.....

I'll root for anyone as long as JJ, JL, or BK don't win

Bryan

[Chargen69]

I couldn't believe I had dropped to a new low.

I WAS ACTUALLY PULLING FOR KYLE BUSCH TO WIN.

anybody but JL... 

Really?   

yes, I am ashamed to admit it to myself even.  when it looked like JL was destined to win, I heard that thought roll through my head, I'd rather Kyle win it

[400/6/PAC]

Anyone other then BK or JL.

[Ponch ®]

             
I get the feeling that Toyota's biggest mistake was coming into NASCAR and getting too good too fast.  

If they had started off terrible, spent 6 or 7 years working their way up, not running unpopular drivers, and kept their cheating busts below average . . . it might have gone over a lot better.  More people would be feeling like they had 'paid their dues' by now.  

Aside from Kyle Busch and occasionally Hamlin, they really weren't all that great for the first 6-7 years they were around (no championships, no Daytona 500 wins, etc) until 2015-2016..  And that's because their flagship team (JGR) was already a powerhouse. Red Bull Racing, MWR, and so on...they were all a shit show at best.  I'd say they paid their dues. Even if the Billy Bobs are still hung up on the "not 'murrican" nonsense.

[odcics2]

           
I get the feeling that Toyota's biggest mistake was coming into NASCAR and getting too good too fast.  

If they had started off terrible, spent 6 or 7 years working their way up, not running unpopular drivers, and kept their cheating busts below average . . . it might have gone over a lot better.  More people would be feeling like they had 'paid their dues' by now.  

Aside from Kyle Busch and occasionally Hamlin, they really weren't all that great for the first 6-7 years they were around (no championships, no Daytona 500 wins, etc) until 2015-2016..  And that's because their flagship team (JGR) was already a powerhouse. Red Bull Racing, MWR, and so on...they were all a shit show at best.  I'd say they paid their dues. Even if the Billy Bobs are still hung up on the "not 'murrican" nonsense.

Lot of the "Billy Bobs" left Nascar already.  
Letting Toyota in was a mistake and Nascar is paying for it with less attendance.  

https://jalopnik.com/the-daytona-500-is-sold-out-but-only-after-the-track-r-1823115572

And there were STILL empty seats in the upper tiers...

[Ponch ®]

           
I get the feeling that Toyota's biggest mistake was coming into NASCAR and getting too good too fast.  

If they had started off terrible, spent 6 or 7 years working their way up, not running unpopular drivers, and kept their cheating busts below average . . . it might have gone over a lot better.  More people would be feeling like they had 'paid their dues' by now.  

Aside from Kyle Busch and occasionally Hamlin, they really weren't all that great for the first 6-7 years they were around (no championships, no Daytona 500 wins, etc) until 2015-2016..  And that's because their flagship team (JGR) was already a powerhouse. Red Bull Racing, MWR, and so on...they were all a shit show at best.  I'd say they paid their dues. Even if the Billy Bobs are still hung up on the "not 'murrican" nonsense.

Lot of the "Billy Bobs" left Nascar already.  
Letting Toyota in was a mistake and Nascar is paying for it with less attendance.  

https://jalopnik.com/the-daytona-500-is-sold-out-but-only-after-the-track-r-1823115572

And there were STILL empty seats in the upper tiers...

I doubt its Toyota. More than likely, the "novelty" of the mid 90's-00's wore off and there simply aren't any drivers who are marketable/likeable enough - there's really no semi-household name who can fill the "face of the sport" role like Earnhardt Sr or Gordon did.  Also, yeah, the racing is somewhat boring.

If Toyota hadn't come in when it did, esp. with Dodge pulling out and Chevy/Ford cutting back,  the sport may have died or actually become a one manufacturer spec series.

[odcics2]

I personally know guys that gave up season tickets at MIS when Toyota got in...   

Yeah, Nascar has way more problems than that, though. 

How do they get folks back when there is a general lack of interest?

Saw a post once that said Nascar died when Dale Sr. did.

Some truth to that, perhaps?

[JB400]

I say it's partly true.  The introduction of the CoT really brought things down for NASCAR.  It was safer for the drivers, but it didn't put on that exciting of a show.  Plus, it didn't have enough brand identity to it.

[Mike DC]

Sports have peaks & valleys in popularity.  Lots of factors play into it. 

15 years ago NASCAR was at a high point.  Now it's in a deep valley.

[Aero426]

Well, that sucks for the 95.  Had a great run going for such an under rated team.

They are now a full throated Gibbs operation and should be competitive.   Gibbs cars.   Gibbs engines.    Gibbs personnel.    Think "Furniture Row East"

[Aero426]

Here's a neat summary of the race:  Start. Drone on. Pit stops. Drone on. Pit stops. Then continue droning on until Lap 190. Then it's run, crash, run, crash, red flag, run, crash, red flag, overtime, checkered flag. Done. And they call this "The Great American Race?"

[Chargen69]

Here's a neat summary of the race:  Start. Drone on. Pit stops. Drone on. Pit stops. Then continue droning on until Lap 190. Then it's run, crash, run, crash, red flag, run, crash, red flag, overtime, checkered flag. Done. And they call this "The Great American Race?"

[Ponch ®]

Here's a neat summary of the race:  Start. Drone on. Pit stops. Drone on. Pit stops. Then continue droning on until Lap 190. Then it's run, crash, run, crash, red flag, run, crash, red flag, overtime, checkered flag. Done. And they call this "The Great American Race?"

well that's another thing. Does anyone really want to watch a 400-500 mile/lap race that lasts 4 hours?  Sure, a car/driver that lasted a 500 mile race may have been a technological achievement in the 50s and 60s, but nowadays its "meh". Id rather watch a short race that is exciting vs. a long race that only warrants your attention for the first 10 and last 10 laps - with 3.5 hours of boredom in between. Of course, NASCAR and tv dont want to give up precious advertising time...

I dunno, if they can't cut a race in half bc of tradition and financial motives, then maybe they should consider turning them into heats, or breaking them up like they already do with the Duels. I mean, the whole "stage" thing theyve been doing for the last couple of years seems to be leading to that.

[odcics2]

The answer is:

Nascar Drag Racing

[TruckDriver]

Nascar figure 8 racing will bring viewers, lol.