there is just no winning solution for the eco-greenies out there for fue/cars...

[69charger2002]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_re_us/ethanol_global_warming

i swear, gas and cars cause too much pollution, E-85 will be worse, ethanol terrible, and hybrid cars would create a battery landfill like we've never seen.. i guess to make greenies happy we'd all be better off just walking everywhere
trav

[charger_mike75]

As soon as you tell them to start walking they'll shut up   

[hemihead]

The blame the automobile for everything. What about all the things made of plastic? What will all the jet planes run on ? What about clearing all the forests for urban sprawl , new large fancy houses and shopping malls ? The Eco - hippies only want to change what bothers them .

[bull]

First of all, the greenies cannot be made happy. Period.

Secondly, if you took all the natural resources in the known universe and converted it into cash it still wouldn't be enough to fund their ideas.

Third, we will all be long dead before they ever agree on a viable alternative to gasoline and diesel so it's all moot anyway.

Fourth, if they were half as good at coming up with solutions as they are at identifying/creating problems we would be living in paradise right now.

[TruckDriver]

The blame the automobile for everything. What about all the things made of plastic? What will all the jet planes run on ? What about clearing all the forests for urban sprawl , new large fancy houses and shopping malls ? The Eco - hippies only want to change what bothers them .

I agree 110%. But you forgot to mention that they never seem to complain about they emissions that factorys and coal burning power plants put out.

[TK73]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

[PocketThunder]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

[chargerboy69]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

I agree. I love bashing tree huggers too. . . .  These are a few of my favorite things.

[Charger_Fan]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

I agree. I love bashing tree huggers too. . . .  These are a few of my favorite things.

Me too, it's a great sport!

[PocketThunder]

I even have my 68 set up to run on hydrocarbons..   

[chargerboy69]

I even have my 68 set up to run on hydrocarbons..   

I love those stickers.    I should have ordered a few from The Glenn Beck Show myself.

[BB1]

I read that all the mining for the lead in the batteries is killing the ground, forest and rivers.

[hemihead]

 I will never understand how  something that is found naturally in the ground considered pollution   

[TK73]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

I agree. I love bashing tree huggers too. . . .  These are a few of my favorite things.

Me too, it's a great sport!

I suppose you are right, to each his own. 

I love bashing the ignorant Bushies, and general right-wingers, who happen to believe every word that ExxonMobile, and that bloated hypocrite Limpbag, spew forth in an attempt to marginalize people who have legitimate concerns about the environment.   

And NO, Kyoto was not a document that gave the power to the government to come and take your Charger to crush. (yes, people actually said this on the last board).

[pettyfan43]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

I agree. I love bashing tree huggers too. . . .  These are a few of my favorite things.

Me too, it's a great sport!

I suppose you are right, to each his own. 

I love bashing the ignorant Bushies, and general right-wingers, who happen to believe every word that ExxonMobile, and that bloated hypocrite Limpbag, spew forth in an attempt to marginalize people who have legitimate concerns about the environment.   

And NO, Kyoto was not a document that gave the power to the government to come and take your Charger to crush. (yes, people actually said this on the last board).

Maybe not but what Kyoto DID make provisions for is OTHER governments (Can you say socialists) to make decisions about what is BEST FOR OUR Country and for them to decide how OUR economy should be slowed down so THEY don't have to clean up their OWN back yards.

AS far as that goes, just because someone is a conservative, does not mean that you have an intelligence advantage over them or them you. JUST because your opinion is DIFFERENT does  not make you more RIGHT! Just different.

The scientists can't even agree on what is going on anyway, IS the earth warming? Depends on which group of scientists you listen to. If you listen to Gore's group, they want you to believe that we are all gonna burn up.  The problem? They got most of THEIR info from the military and they have since said, OOPS we made a few mistakes.  Course, you aren't gonna hear THAT on CNN or BSNBC.

If it is warming up, I'm inclined to believe it has a lot to do with that big thermonuclear reactor that lights the skies up every morning.

IN the 14th century the temps DID warm up (Damn carbon based fueled chariots!!!!) and the Human race LOVED IT. More Food was grown, less disease and major advancements in industry, science and the arts were the result.

The panic mongers are full of HOOEY!  Just like they are EVERY time they find a new "problem" to try to scare the public with. Temperature cycles are nothing new, the planet has ALWAYS gone through them.

[hemihead]

 The sky is falling , the sky is falling .....     

[69charger2002]

Time to lock this Mother F$@#er up...

Whats wrong with bashing Greenies?   

I agree. I love bashing tree huggers too. . . .  These are a few of my favorite things.

Me too, it's a great sport!

I suppose you are right, to each his own. 

I love bashing the ignorant Bushies, and general right-wingers, who happen to believe every word that ExxonMobile, and that bloated hypocrite Limpbag, spew forth in an attempt to marginalize people who have legitimate concerns about the environment.   

And NO, Kyoto was not a document that gave the power to the government to come and take your Charger to crush. (yes, people actually said this on the last board).

Maybe not but what Kyoto DID make provisions for is OTHER governments (Can you say socialists) to make decisions about what is BEST FOR OUR Country and for them to decide how OUR economy should be slowed down so THEY don't have to clean up their OWN back yards.

AS far as that goes, just because someone is a conservative, does not mean that you have an intelligence advantage over them or them you. JUST because your opinion is DIFFERENT does  not make you more RIGHT! Just different.

The scientists can't even agree on what is going on anyway, IS the earth warming? Depends on which group of scientists you listen to. If you listen to Gore's group, they want you to believe that we are all gonna burn up.  The problem? They got most of THEIR info from the military and they have since said, OOPS we made a few mistakes.  Course, you aren't gonna hear THAT on CNN or BSNBC.

If it is warming up, I'm inclined to believe it has a lot to do with that big thermonuclear reactor that lights the skies up every morning.

IN the 14th century the temps DID warm up (Damn carbon based fueled chariots!!!!) and the Human race LOVED IT. More Food was grown, less disease and major advancements in industry, science and the arts were the result.

The panic mongers are full of HOOEY!  Just like they are EVERY time they find a new "problem" to try to scare the public with. Temperature cycles are nothing new, the planet has ALWAYS gone through them.

i'll tell you what gets me. is watching the news and seeing just last week in one sentence they did a little "bit" on the latest global warming BS that was the hot topic. the second they ended the bit they went into weather and the first thing the guy said was we have an arctic blast coming down that will be bringing near record low temps! how ironic is that? also just for kicks i went back through record highs and lows here for a whole year. at least for baton rouge... MOST record highs were set way back in the 40's and 50's, some in the 80's, and NONE from 2000+.. while on the other hand a lot of record lows were broken in the mid-late 80's and some in the mid 90's.. i do believe we're in a general warming trend weather pattern here lately.. but i personally believe it's just that. a weather pattern. in 10 years who knows if the average temp during july will be 5 degrees warmer or cooler. i don't think global warming has much to do with anything. except false hype
trav

[mikesbbody]

As soon as you tell them to start walking they'll shut up   

I agree 100% if they are so into saving the planet why do they drive? whats wrong with bashing greenies? absolutely nothing! they will never, ever be satsified until cars are gone all together.

[hemihead]

Ever notice the Greenies like to drive their SUV's to their protests ? Talk on their cell phones while there . Them go home and post their blogs on the internet ? What about the Space Shuttle ? Isn't it bad for the earth too ? Wow the greenies really help the environment . Like it or not I really don't care about the environment . I love styrofoam . I wish they would bring back the plastic 6 pack holders . I hate any smog equipment on vehicles . I just want to live my life without someone telling how bad I'm living my life . I am not anal retentive enough to have a safety device on everything in my car and house .

[Mike DC]

The extreme green movement works because it brings religious-style guilt to a group of Americans who have disproportioately abandoned conventional religions. 

[Chad L. Magee]

I will never understand how  something that is found naturally in the ground considered pollution   

Well, you just opened a can of worms as this is part of my Ph.D. research (heavy metal environmetal sensors), so sit tight:

It is the interaction with the human body and other living things that makes some naturally occuring minerals toxic (which is a form of pollution).  Mercury and cadmium are heavy metals that do not have a biological role within the body, so they have a tendency to disrupt functions (brain, nervous sytem) that cause lasting effects.  Mercury metal by itself is not very toxic (school children used to play with it and Romans used to drink it), but if it gets exposed to certain bacteria (such as some found in the sea), it can become oxidized to form compound that are quite deadly (dimethylmercury).  It then latches onto some of the amino acids (those containing thiol groups) within fish, whereby it bioaccumulates.  If you like to eat tuna and swordfish, you are getting doses of mercuric compounds from the fish you are consuming.  Mercury in the soil can not typically come into contact with those type of bacteria, so it is extremely rare to find the organic mercuric compounds in buried rocks.  Heavy metals are accumulative poisions, meaning your body has a hard time ridding itself of them.  Such metals are fairly inert when buried deep in the ground, as they typically react with other minerals and become another mineral that is stagnet in the soil.  Mercury metal, for example, will readily react with sulfur to form HgS (cinnabar), which is fairly inert in the ground.  The same can be said for quite a few metals on the periodic chart.  The problem is when you dig that up and heat it to recover the mercuy metal (and other metals), you also release alot of sulfur (which can react further causing pollution problems from the products).  Another problem is that something like a mining shaft for zinc will also contain an amount of cadmium minerals, which might be released in the purification process (dust particles, wash off, or contaminated soil).  Once it gets into streams, it becomes more mobile than in the soil phase.  Cadmium is extremely toxic to the body and in high concentrations will dispace calcium in bones, leading to "Ouchi-Ouchi" diease (rough translation).  That was discovered in Japan fourty years ago from people eating rice grown in zones containg high amounts of zinc (and cadmium) in the soil.  Their bones decompose as time passes until they pass on painfully.   Rice grown just a short distance away in normal soil had no detrimental effects since it contains little or no cadmium.  So, basically the answer is: buried deep in the ground, the heavy metals are not going to come into contact with living things to cause major pollution effects (although they can still affect ground water supplies, but that can be filtered out with the right equipment), but bring them to the surface and you get more exposure.......

[hemihead]

So in other words you bury them in the ground like , oh I don't know , a trash dump and everything should be ok , right ? Then what is the big deal ?

[Chad L. Magee]

Need to bury them a bit deeper than that or they might still work their way back to the surface through erosion via wind/water.  I have seen landfills that were covered with soil, only to have big windstorms (in Kansas) come through and blow most of the dirt away, leaving the trash exposed.  So, both depth and location are factors in preventing further exposure to the surface environment.  Flash flooding can also be a contamination issue if it is not buried deep enough.  The main problem with throwing them in a dump has to do with the heavy metals leaching into potential water supplies.  That is why most NiCd and lead batteries are recycled now and not thrown away as they had been in the past.  The proper way of disposal is through recycling, plus you usually can get money for what you wanted to get rid of anyways (win/win situation).........

[hemihead]

You said above it could be filtered out of the water with the right equipment . As far as the landfill , why not just build another shopping mall on top of it like usual ?

[Brock Samson]

Thanks for the well presented Facts C. L. M. 

Well here on the west coast "green" is a pervasive marketing strategy, everything they try to sell is labeled "Green" Eviormentaly Safe and all that...  jazz... It's sooo bad it's gotten to the point where everytime i hear the word "Green" I mutter "BULLSHIT" under my breath, 
I don't know if you guys get the same ridiculous marketing campaigns we get where you are but I'm pretty tired of the guilt trips and holier then thou advertising.
I belive folks buy these prius and other hybreds for a combo of the good gas milage and to get the free pass in the car-pool lane, if these folks were really gonna do their share for the sake of the planet they wouldn't drive to work and back alone but would participate in car-pools, but they are 90% of the time single occupent vehicles.

And so, to counteract all  the B.S.  I bought a new item at the flea market for the rear window of my Charger...