2009 Charger?

[dads_69]

I called the dealer back here and asked about the SRT 8 AWD. He said they have it available for $44 grand and some change. If I have time today , I'll stop and get a photo of it. I don't plan on any test drive today, temp is -19 or so right now. I doubt they would even consider it them selves. But when I do, I'll get photos/video of it. I like the car now due to its capability for what my family needs. I like the new Dodge truck also,Quad cab or Mega cab, so its a toss up when the time comes for a new Dodge again.

Mark

I am quite certain the dealer is wrong about the combo of SRT and AWD on a Charger.  It is not an available combination of options nor has it been to this point.  Anyhow, my local dealer has an AWD magnum and he says there is a negligible difference in snowy driving conditions as opposed to the RWD.  Don't know if I believe him as I already had a RWD at that point, although I was in there to see if they had any RWD available for sale so maybe he wasn't lying...   -Dave

So true. I went down to the dealer, and guess what. I asked for the salesjerk, Derek, and he says, *oh, I thought you wanted to make it an AWD* so I said yes you can do that. I said WHAT, are you a salesman or an idiot!? He looked at me and said maybe you need to leave, I said you know what I asked and your full of crap just to get me down here to buy something. He walked away. What an ass. I spoke to another salesman though about the dumbass from earlier, he said hes new and the AWD is only on the charger 5.7 not the SRT-8. That sucks. Oh well, I still have some time before we buy a new ride anyways. I still haven't told my wife about my new/old ride I bought the night before either...

Mark

[hemihead]

AWD was not meant for driving in snow . It was really designed for handling . The Porsche 959 comes to mind .

[Streetwize]

They would be smart to integrate more of a 68 style front end onto the existing car

the new Challenger shares the same cowl forward architecture inder the skin so incorporating the Challenger fenders and hood with a more charger-esqe style grille wouldn't be too much of a stretch to accomplish. They could even recess the rear more like the Kamm-tail of the 68-70 without a lot of work.

The ugliest line on the car is that fugly rear fender curve, would it have been so hard to go for the coke bottle shape more like a 71-74?

[69_500]

Question about what models are offered in the AWD vs RWD could be easily answered by going to the Dodge website.

http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuite/ModelSelector.jsp

[70_charger]

here is the rumor of the 2010 charger!!! for the all the haters out there PISS OFF,nobody bitches about your old cars !!!!!

[bull]

here is the rumor of the 2010 charger!!! for the all the haters out there PISS OFF,nobody bitches about your old cars !!!!!

That's because they don't look like ass. Well, actually, what I mean to say is that they look like Chargers and the four door '06-'08 does not.

BTW, that drawing (and about 10 others) you posted has been floating around for years.

[Rack]

here is the rumor of the 2010 charger!!! for the all the haters out there PISS OFF,nobody bitches about your old cars !!!!!

That's because they don't look like ass.

BTW, that drawing (and about 10 others) you posted has been floating around for years.

Nail on the head.

[Daytona Guy]

The design department at Chrysler actually asked for my input and welcomed these pictures from me.

Here are three concepts that I did using the old fashioned way – I drew them. I know the side vent needs to have the Charger "two vent" look – I just tried to be a little original, but it seemed to look more like the C5 - Oh well. 

These are all drawn using the same platform as the Challenger so it limits the ultra creativity that I wanted, but it also means that they are practical and usable concepts.

[TheGhost]

Why don't you just buy it, and then make a quick stop by the junk yard - find an old Intrepid, scrape the "Intrepid" name tag off the old vehicle.

Then take that "Charger" name tag off your "Charger" and replace it with "Intrepid".

Afterall, it is nothing but the modern day Dodge Intrepid.

If I ever come down to getting one, that is what I will do. Honestly - I'll even post pictures of it. It should be a great pacifier to the whole argument.

and I'd be able to live with myself afterwards.

Blasphemy!  The Intrepid was always a FWD car!  Slapping the name onto a RWD car is wrong!

[Shakey]

                     

[Brock Samson]

  quote author=FastbackJon link=topic=39610.msg436559#msg436559 date=1202011686]
As much as we all hate the 2006-2008 Charger (though this thread is not about that), I'm sitting here wondering what the next generation of Charger will look like. They have already run the same exact car for three model years now, I wonder if the 2009 model year (due out end of 2008) will just be a re-hash or possibly something better?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/14/chrysler-300-charger-facelift-due-in-2011-rwd-sticking-around/

While new fuel economy regs have put the General's rear-wheel-drive offerings into a holding pattern (we think), Chrysler will soldier on with its RWD LX platform into the next decade. According to The Car Connection, Chrysler plans to makeover the 300 and Charger in 2011, but the reason the Pentastar people are keeping it rear-wheel-drive isn't to sate the public's lust for FR cars, rather there's no budget to develop a new front-wheel-drive platform.

TCC's insider says that updates to the HEMI might be underway and that the new styling direction of the 300 will maintain the sedan's gangsta cues, but the low roofline will probably be nixed in favor of a larger greenhouse.

   


  note the date... no change till 2011..

ok let's go bash the neo-charger again,...

[Crazy Larry]

Why don't you just buy it, and then make a quick stop by the junk yard - find an old Intrepid, scrape the "Intrepid" name tag off the old vehicle.

Then take that "Charger" name tag off your "Charger" and replace it with "Intrepid".

Afterall, it is nothing but the modern day Dodge Intrepid.

If I ever come down to getting one, that is what I will do. Honestly - I'll even post pictures of it. It should be a great pacifier to the whole argument.

and I'd be able to live with myself afterwards.

Blasphemy!  The Intrepid was always a FWD car!  Slapping the name onto a RWD car is wrong!

[Crazy Larry]

AWD was not meant for driving in snow . It was really designed for handling . The Porsche 959 comes to mind .

So are you saying that AWD will not handle like a FWD in the snow - like my old Intrepid able to climb snowy hills.

I heard a long time ago that it really is just a sales gimmick, that a RWD car only kicks into AWD on turns or something. It would make sense if the drive train is not connected by any means to all four wheels.

But I thought what I heard was wrong because there is no way you can advertise something as AWD and not have it actually drive with all four wheels. Or was I had? 

I guess the best thing is to go take one of these AWD "Chargers" for a test drive in the snow and see first hand.

[Mopar2Ya]

AWD was not meant for driving in snow . It was really designed for handling . The Porsche 959 comes to mind .

So are you saying that AWD will not handle like a FWD in the snow - like my old Intrepid able to climb snowy hills.

I heard a long time ago that it really is just a sales gimmick, that a RWD car only kicks into AWD on turns or something. It would make sense if the drive train is not connected by any means to all four wheels.

But I thought what I heard was wrong because there is no way you can advertise something as AWD and not have it actually drive with all four wheels. Or was I had? 

I guess the best thing is to go take one of these AWD "Chargers" for a test drive in the snow and see first hand.

Most AWD's distribute power to wheels that need it. The default setting usually sends most of the power to the "normal" drive wheels, which in an LX would be the rears. IMO, AWD does work better in the snow, especially on inclines/slush/etc.

[bull]

I can tell you that AWD does not work as well in snow as 4WD as far as some state departments of transportation are concerned. At least here in Oregon and Washington it is required that chains be used by all vehicles except four wheel drives under 10,000 GVWR in what is called "extreme weather conditions". The description on the Washington website goes out of its way to explaiin that AWD vehicles might be required to use chains when 4x4s would not. "Chains required on all vehicles - except four/all wheel drive. In extreme weather conditions, the advisory may indicate chains are required on all wheel drive vehicles."

I don't know if the new Chrylser 300s have AWD but that idiot in the gray one I had to follow up Mt. Rainier the other day obviously didn't know how to drive in snow with or without AWD. He also didn't know how to use the wide spots to pull over and let the 4X4 vehicles pass.

[Mopar2Ya]

Yes, AWD is not = to true 4WD. The problem w/4WD is the lack of handling you get w/normal street use under normal conditions(front binding/drag/etc). I hope no one tries the take an AWD LX offroading.

[Crazy Larry]

I can tell you that AWD does not work as well in snow as 4WD as far as some state departments of transportation are concerned. At least here in Oregon and Washington it is required that chains be used by all vehicles except four wheel drives under 10,000 GVWR in what is called "extreme weather conditions". The description on the Washington website goes out of its way to explaiin that AWD vehicles might be required to use chains when 4x4s would not. "Chains required on all vehicles - except four/all wheel drive. In extreme weather conditions, the advisory may indicate chains are required on all wheel drive vehicles."

I don't know if the new Chrylser 300s have AWD but that idiot in the gray one I had to follow up Mt. Rainier the other day obviously didn't know how to drive in snow with or without AWD. He also didn't know how to use the wide spots to pull over and let the 4X4 vehicles pass.

So AWD does not pull up a hill like a FWD car would, and what about rounding corners - is it the same?
My concern in my next car is to drive in the slush, snow of New York winters. So far, with a RWD, it is horrendous, even the slightest amount of snow causes problems up hills and so on.

I'm not looking to go off-roading like it is a 4WD because of course it is not. I'm just looking to not have to stop on a hill and turn the car around to find another route through the city.

Can anyone with a AWD claim they are just as good at climbing slippery hills or turning snowy corners as a FWD?

[FastbackJon]

Guess what showed up on Jalopnik...

http://jalopnik.com/356904/2011-chrysler-300-dodge-charger-to-remain-rear+wheel-drive-get-makeover

[Brock Samson]

yeah look up six posts, above larry's three...   

[RT DAVE]

AWD was not meant for driving in snow . It was really designed for handling . The Porsche 959 comes to mind .

Nice try.   The 959 was a purpose built to compete in rallying in adverse driving conditions, i.e. snow, rain, ice, mud.  If these current AWD cars were built for handling, why don't any of todays elite supercars have it?  Why is it absent in most srt models?  I think you know the answer. 

[TheGhost]

AWD was not meant for driving in snow . It was really designed for handling . The Porsche 959 comes to mind .

Nice try.   The 959 was a purpose built to compete in rallying in adverse driving conditions, i.e. snow, rain, ice, mud.  If these current AWD cars were built for handling, why don't any of todays elite supercars have it?  Why is it absent in most srt models?  I think you know the answer. 

Because AWD is really friggen heavy, and becomes a hinderance once you get to a certain point.

[Wheels of Terror]

  :slap:Can someone lock this please? it is completely redundant now.

[bull]

:slap:Can someone lock this please? it is completely redundant now.

I bet at least half the threads and posts on this site are redundant. Do we lock all those too?

[Mopar2Ya]

Crazy Larry, I've only had experience w/AWD GC's. IMO, they are better than FWD, but I don't like FWD. I do live in the northeast. It also seems that the AWD systems are getting better, w/less lag engaging the front wheels.

[Brock Samson]

this thread got hijacked to hell,..  can we puleeze go back to bashin on the magnum sedan,..   
ya' know what ya' have to ask your selves is..
   Were there any four door muscle cars?...