2009 Charger?

[Mopar2Ya]

+1 Shakey. Us getting mad isn't going to change whats been done.

Some info on the LX SRT8 for those interested in the platform:
Engine:
Power:
Torque:
Drivetrain:
Transmission:
6.1-liter SRT HEMI® V8
425 horsepower at 6,000 rpm
420 lb-ft at 4,800 rpm
Rear-wheel drive
Performance-tuned five-speed AutoStick®
http://www.drivesrt.com/en/dodge_charger/pdf/SRT_Charger_specsheet.pdf
http://www.drivesrt.com/en/dodge_charger/index.html

[TK73]

Good lookin car for a 4 door, wrong name...

Looks like current body will be through '09... 2010 should bring a restyle...

[Rack]

Good lookin car for a 4 door, wrong name...

Looks like current body will be through '09... 2010 should bring a restyle...

That's exactly what I'm saying.


And no, I don't get tired of hearing myself. My fiance on the other hand....




They didn't even have to make it a retro charger for me to like it, just stick to the basic things that made it a charger. They didn't do that in one major area (or more). Therefore I don't like it (as a charger). And that isn't going to change.

[RD]

um.. who gives a shit?

if you dont like it, dont buy it.

if you do like it, go ahead and buy it.

it doesnt matter what my opinion of the name is, it doesnt matter what the numbers are, if you continually spew out the same vomitus blurb over whether you like the car or not in this forum to try and substantiate an opinion, that for all tense and purpose, is only going to allow yourself to sleep nicely at night, then really... does it need to be continually addressed every fricken three months in a thread here?

you have your opinion, great, that is good really, but do you not think that you have expressed it already?

I am a sucker for a good debate... but this debate will ultimately wind up into the "who gives a shit" file because it:

1. will not determine whether or not chrysler will continue to produce the new charger
2. will not dictate whether or not the charger name will be left the same or changed to "creeder"
3. will most definitely not affect the price of tea in china

So, in hindsight, are you all typing to "let everyone know that you must be heard" or are you doing it because you actually think your opinion is going to change anyone else's on this board?

ask yourself these three questions, and if you do not say yes to all of them, you do not need to post anymore on this topic:

1.  Is it the truth (cold hard factual truth; not hearsay or opinion)
2.  Is it fair to all concerned
3.  Will it foster better relationships

If you answer no... just quit while you are ahead.

I dont mean to sound like an ass, and I am sorry if you take it that way, truly I am.  I am just so tired of seeing this threads start without issues and end up being completely idiotic, hateful, and OVERLY OPINIONATED ASSININE RHETORIC THAT DOESNT MOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS.

okie dokie... have a great day y'all!

[hemihead]

And the same may be said of people who read and comment about the threads they say they don't care about . So . I guess that and a couple bucks will get you coffee.   

[dads_69]

Whats funny about this whole topic is: the guy who started it hates the new charger body style, notice he even sells lic. plates frames stating it. A lot of us have been on line here for a while, you can tell by the number of posts they're made for starters. If its one thing I've learned over the years is, if you don't like a certain car or whatever the hell it may be that somebody posted about, don't post in that topic and move on vs. starting a pissing contest just because it gives you a high bitching about something unless your hard up for god knows what.
Gees, what a joke this topic turned out to be, again, and all over a car what, 2 % of us here own, maybe.

Mark

[RD]

And the same may be said of people who read and comment about the threads they say they don't care about . So . I guess that and a couple bucks will get you coffee.   

But you are misunderstanding my thread.  It was to promote and improve relationships with the board, not about the whether or not the charger is a decent automobile.  That, is where you are mistaken in your above statement.  Please read what I said for what it is, and not what you would like to contort it to become.

I find it ironic that I actually agree with your statements on the new Charger wholeheartedly, but because I would like to think that I understand that for the betterment of this entire dodgecharger.com board, I would rather not attempt at such a mockery of other members to promote disgust, frustration, anger, or even hatred (which has happened, I know from personal experience, hence political/religious threads are banned).  This being said, anyone typing words to "goad" individuals into a self-righteous debate over opinions that would end in nothing but opinions floating around like "rearends" and the great possibility of "name calling" should immediately cease and desist from such activities. 

The difference between my post and yours is this, since you brought the question to light.  I would like these discussions to end because they have an extreme probability of ending up in a "flame" war on a board that does not require such negative attitudes.  Such discussions create cliques and divisiveness on this board in particular, due to the discussions divisive nature i.e. "you against me, they dont believe what I believe hence,...".  Call me prophetic, but it has happened on this board, and it takes an extremely long time for such wounds to heal. (how do I know, I still have people in my ignore list in pm's because I promoted such activity... I learned though, that my opinion is mine, and no one elses.. so why should I constantly berate other people for not being like me?)  Maybe we should all ask ourselves that question huh?

So, based upon the above statement of yours, I have to strongly disagree with you in regards to the purpose of my thread because it follows along with the three criteria in which I state above. Whereas, by looking at your current and past statements, yours fails to conform to that last criteria, which is to promote better relationships. 

Now it is perfectly fine for you to question others, as that is what this country is founded on, but I would like to emplace upon that concept that questioning others is great, as long as you have considered the betterment of the commonwealth, and not just one's own specific needs, wants, and desires.

I dont care to change your opinion on the charger, I cannot and it would be idiotic of me to think that I could.  All I ask is that for the overally betterment of this site, which is a damn good one, we all let go of our petty bickering over something that none of us can control and move on with what is really important.  You know... the name of the site... the love of our chargers.

And you are right partly regarding your statement... but I can at least try to make this site a better place right?  Would it be safe to say that we all should be doing the same thing with the same amount of effort?  Or, do you care?

Good luck, God speed, and feel free to provide a rebuttal.

[RD]

Whats funny about this whole topic is: the guy who started it hates the new charger body style, notice he even sells lic. plates frames stating it. A lot of us have been on line here for a while, you can tell by the number of posts they're made for starters. If its one thing I've learned over the years is, if you don't like a certain car or whatever the hell it may be that somebody posted about, don't post in that topic and move on vs. starting a pissing contest just because it gives you a high bitching about something unless your hard up for god knows what.
Gees, what a joke this topic turned out to be, again, and all over a car what, 2 % of us here own, maybe.

Mark

so true!  could not agree with you more.  this whole thread is a highlight to hypocrisy.

*edit*  what is worse, hating a car, or making money off a car's success that you hate by selling merchandise to promote your disgust?  In the end, because of the car, he has made money.  I wonder if he really hates it that much now?   I should know, I bought one of the t-shirts

[Rack]

um.. who gives a shit?

if you dont like it, dont buy it.

if you do like it, go ahead and buy it.

it doesnt matter what my opinion of the name is, it doesnt matter what the numbers are, if you continually spew out the same vomitus blurb over whether you like the car or not in this forum to try and substantiate an opinion, that for all tense and purpose, is only going to allow yourself to sleep nicely at night, then really... does it need to be continually addressed every fricken three months in a thread here?

you have your opinion, great, that is good really, but do you not think that you have expressed it already?

I am a sucker for a good debate... but this debate will ultimately wind up into the "who gives a shit" file because it:

1. will not determine whether or not chrysler will continue to produce the new charger
2. will not dictate whether or not the charger name will be left the same or changed to "creeder"
3. will most definitely not affect the price of tea in china

So, in hindsight, are you all typing to "let everyone know that you must be heard" or are you doing it because you actually think your opinion is going to change anyone else's on this board?

ask yourself these three questions, and if you do not say yes to one of them, you do not need to post anymore on this topic:

1.  Is it the truth (cold hard factual truth; not hearsay or opinion)
2.  Is it fair to all concerned
3.  Will it foster better relationships

If you answer no... just quit while you are ahead.

I dont mean to sound like an ass, and I am sorry if you take it that way, truly I am.  I am just so tired of seeing this threads start without issues and end up being completely idiotic, hateful, and OVERLY OPINIONATED ASSININE RHETORIC THAT DOESNT MOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS.

okie dokie... have a great day y'all!

By the same token, if you don't like that someone is complaining about something, don't read it or don't respond to it. Complaining about the complaining is actually worse than the complaining itself.





By the way, one of the main purposes of internet message boards is so that different people from around the world can express their opinions. It is of my opinion that the new "charger" is a nice car, but it should not have been named a charger. And I will continue to express that opinion from time to time as long as this board (or whatever other board) remains "Free" and I'm able to do so. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but don't tell me not to express it when that's exactly one of the reasons internet message boards exist.

[RD]

By the same token, if you don't like that someone is complaining about something, don't read it or don't respond to it. Complaining about the complaining is actually worse than the complaining itself.

Please read my second post, as you have just recreated hemihead's statement and then you can see the crux of my argument and its reasoning.  if you still disagree that is fine, i will not hate you.  I may disagree with your logic, but I will not hate you.

By the way, one of the main purposes of internet message boards is so that different people from around the world can express their opinions. It is of my opinion that the new "charger" is a nice car, but it should not have been named a charger. And I will continue to express that opinion from time to time as long as this board (or whatever other board) remains "Free" and I'm able to do so. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but don't tell me not to express it when that's exactly one of the reasons internet message boards exist.

the actual purpose of a message board is to exchange information, not necessarily opinions.  I usually dont speak for people, but I believe the moderators will agree with me on this one.

Forum's are not where one should expect to have all their opinions and rhetoric to be a mainstay, as they can be edited by those in who administer or moderate a board.  Based upon this concept, this is not actually the same type of "free" that you would assume it to be.  You may be able to type it, but that does not mean it cannot be deleted, edited, or locked.  Please read your user agreement that you agreed to when entering this forum. Troy has to remind many people of that same concept.

This country may be the United States, but even in this country, you cannot just say whatever you want to say and expect it to not offend, cause to rile, or be accepted by many individuals.  Hence, we have laws governing behavior, speech, and many other aspects that define what exactly freedom is or will be.

ALL I AM ASKING IS THAT WE REFRAIN FROM THIS SAME ARGUMENT THAT HAS LASTED FOR 3 YEARS ABOUT THE NAME OF THE NEW CHARGER.  ITS BEEN DONE MANY, MANY TIMES, AND THE ONLY THING THAT COMES OUT OF THESE THREADS, OF SUBSTANCE MIND YOU, IS THAT PEOPLE GROW ANGRY, BITTER, AND DEVELOP RIVALRIES ON THIS FORUM.

And lastly, I am not telling anyone not to express their opinion, just please be considerate or take thought to it being constructive and/or can be used for the whole of the community as positive statements.  I cannot control another person's behavior, speech, or actions.  All I am asking (NOT TELLING) is that we, as a whole, refrain from such topics that will promote negativism and divisive behavior or actions on a forum that is supposed to be bringing people together.

I apologize if you felt or assumed that my post was made in such a manner.  But please, do not state words that I did not write in order to promote a one person movement to claim that I am "telling" people what they should think, feel, or do.  For that is sincerely not the case and presumptuous on your part.

You have not been on this forum for even a year yet (not dissing on you, just stating a fact). You have not seen what I have seen and what many others have seen in regards to rivalries and hatred between members.  THIS is what I would not like to see on this board, that is it.  You can express an opinion (its not my call), but please just ask yourself those three questions in my first post.  It is just being considerate is all.

[hemihead]

Wow some people get long winded trying to prove how much they are right . I agree with Rack . If you don't like the post or the discussion then why stick your nose in it ? To tell someone how wrong they are ? Does it make you feel important telling someone how wrong that you think they are ? I don't care if anyone likes or does not the Creeder . I am putting forth my opinion just as others put forth there opinion of liking it . Not everyone likes the 75 Charger. I do , but I don't come in and tell someone why they are wrong . So step down from the soapbox and lose the holier than thou attitude . And you ask if i care ? the answer is NO I DON'T , happy ?

[Rack]

By the same token, if you don't like that someone is complaining about something, don't read it or don't respond to it. Complaining about the complaining is actually worse than the complaining itself.

Please read my second post, as you have just recreated hemihead's statement and then you can see the crux of my argument and its reasoning.  if you still disagree that is fine, i will not hate you.  I may disagree with your logic, but I will not hate you.

By the way, one of the main purposes of internet message boards is so that different people from around the world can express their opinions. It is of my opinion that the new "charger" is a nice car, but it should not have been named a charger. And I will continue to express that opinion from time to time as long as this board (or whatever other board) remains "Free" and I'm able to do so. You don't have to agree with my opinion, but don't tell me not to express it when that's exactly one of the reasons internet message boards exist.

the actual purpose of a message board is to exchange information, not necessarily opinions.  I usually dont speak for people, but I believe the moderators will agree with me on this one.

Forum's are not where one should expect to have all their opinions and rhetoric to be a mainstay, as they can be edited by those in who administer or moderate a board.  Based upon this concept, this is not actually the same type of "free" that you would assume it to be.  You may be able to type it, but that does not mean it cannot be deleted, edited, or locked.  Please read your user agreement that you agreed to when entering this forum. Troy has to remind many people of that same concept.

This country may be the United States, but even in this country, you cannot just say whatever you want to say and expect it to not offend, cause to rile, or be accepted by many individuals.  Hence, we have laws governing behavior, speech, and many other aspects that define what exactly freedom is or will be.

ALL I AM ASKING IS THAT WE REFRAIN FROM THIS SAME ARGUMENT THAT HAS LASTED FOR 3 YEARS ABOUT THE NAME OF THE NEW CHARGER.  ITS BEEN DONE MANY, MANY TIMES, AND THE ONLY THING THAT COMES OUT OF THESE THREADS, OF SUBSTANCE MIND YOU, IS THAT PEOPLE GROW ANGRY, BITTER, AND DEVELOP RIVALRIES ON THIS FORUM.

And lastly, I am not telling anyone not to express their opinion, just please be considerate or take thought to it being constructive and/or can be used for the whole of the community as positive statements.  I cannot control another person's behavior, speech, or actions.  All I am asking (NOT TELLING) is that we, as a whole, refrain from such topics that will promote negativism and divisive behavior or actions on a forum that is supposed to be bringing people together.

I apologize if you felt or assumed that my post was made in such a manner.  But please, do not state words that I did not write in order to promote a one person movement to claim that I am "telling" people what they should think, feel, or do.  For that is sincerely not the case and presumptuous on your part.

You have not been on this forum for even a year yet (not dissing on you, just stating a fact). You have not seen what I have seen and what many others have seen in regards to rivalries and hatred between members.  THIS is what I would not like to see on this board, that is it.  You can express an opinion (its not my call), but please just ask yourself those three questions in my first post.  It is just being considerate is all.

Sometimes information is given in the form of an opinion.



And really, I'll say it again, if something bothers you enough, just ignore it. There's lots of things I read at different sites everyday that bug the hell out of me. What do I do? Ignore them.


If I didn't force myself to avoid the Roy Williams threads at cowboyszone.com my head would have probably exploded by now.

Again, everybody's got opinions. That's a good thing. But don't go telling people not to post their opinions. If someone wants to state their opinion on a matter over and over and over again then so be it. As long as that person isn't breaking any rules there's nothing wrong with it.

[RD]

i'm done...  have a great day guys! I hope you continue with the great input you have placed here on this board. Such input allows others to view you all in great and supporting eyes. God Bless.

[70_charger]

All I can say is I have a new one and an old one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GeneralLeeTESH]

COPS are ordering the new 4 door Charger for police use. Finally- a real cop car once again ! The Charger acc. to Charlie Gluck ( a lead designer of the new HEMI @ Chrysler...call him @ 727-842-9803 aka "MOPAR Charlie") was built originally as a 4 door model for police use ! Charlie told me there are 2 door AWESOME cars coming to CREATE a new Muscle car WAR with GM and Ford ! Call him...he' tell u all about it !!!
He attends Chrysler meetings WEEKLY and can give them OUR input ! I refer to him as Saint Charlie. WHY you say?
Well-to put it SIMPLY-"CHARLIE GLUCK gives a F___ !"   

[FastbackJon]

Thank you to those of you that stayed on track and replied about the original topic. At a possible futile attempt to steer this thread back on track, I will repost the initial post word for word...

"As much as we all hate the 2006-2008 Charger (though this thread is not about that), I'm sitting here wondering what the next generation of Charger will look like. They have already run the same exact car for three model years now, I wonder if the 2009 model year (due out end of 2008) will just be a re-hash or possibly something better?"

[hemihead]

I vote that they will just recycle it as it seems the retro market is spoken for ( the Challenger ) and the future of car design and what will fuel them is up in the air right now .

[TheGhost]

Oh, for the love of all things pushrod and RWD....


This has gotten pathetic.

[bull]

Thank you to those of you that stayed on track and replied about the original topic. At a possible futile attempt to steer this thread back on track, I will repost the initial post word for word...

"As much as we all hate the 2006-2008 Charger (though this thread is not about that), I'm sitting here wondering what the next generation of Charger will look like. They have already run the same exact car for three model years now, I wonder if the 2009 model year (due out end of 2008) will just be a re-hash or possibly something better?"

So you bash the car and then in the same sentence make a lame attempt to steer the direction of the thread away from bashing it? Even if you had done a semi-affable job of trying to steer the thread in a certain direction (which you didn't) it would have failed. There's no way it can be done. It's like trying to herd cats.

At any rate, I think '06 Charger threads should be treated like religious and political threads. Lock them as soon as they appear.

[Crazy Larry]

Why don't you just buy it, and then make a quick stop by the junk yard - find an old Intrepid, scrape the "Intrepid" name tag off the old vehicle.

Then take that "Charger" name tag off your "Charger" and replace it with "Intrepid".

Afterall, it is nothing but the modern day Dodge Intrepid.

If I ever come down to getting one, that is what I will do. Honestly - I'll even post pictures of it. It should be a great pacifier to the whole argument.

and I'd be able to live with myself afterwards.

[RT DAVE]

I called the dealer back here and asked about the SRT 8 AWD. He said they have it available for $44 grand and some change. If I have time today , I'll stop and get a photo of it. I don't plan on any test drive today, temp is -19 or so right now. I doubt they would even consider it them selves. But when I do, I'll get photos/video of it. I like the car now due to its capability for what my family needs. I like the new Dodge truck also,Quad cab or Mega cab, so its a toss up when the time comes for a new Dodge again.

Mark

I am quite certain the dealer is wrong about the combo of SRT and AWD on a Charger.  It is not an available combination of options nor has it been to this point.  Anyhow, my local dealer has an AWD magnum and he says there is a negligible difference in snowy driving conditions as opposed to the RWD.  Don't know if I believe him as I already had a RWD at that point, although I was in there to see if they had any RWD available for sale so maybe he wasn't lying...   -Dave

[Shakey]

Thank you to those of you that stayed on track and replied about the original topic. At a possible futile attempt to steer this thread back on track, I will repost the initial post word for word...

"As much as we all hate the 2006-2008 Charger (though this thread is not about that), I'm sitting here wondering what the next generation of Charger will look like. They have already run the same exact car for three model years now, I wonder if the 2009 model year (due out end of 2008) will just be a re-hash or possibly something better?"

So you bash the car and then in the same sentence make a lame attempt to steer the direction of the thread away from bashing it? Even if you had done a semi-affable job of trying to steer the thread in a certain direction (which you didn't) it would have failed. There's no way it can be done. It's like trying to herd cats.

At any rate, I think '06 Charger threads should be treated like religious and political threads. Lock them as soon as they appear.

At any rate, I think '06 Charger threads should be treated like religious and political threads. Lock them as soon as they appear.

Hallelujah - can I get an Amen Brother!   

[Brock Samson]

 back on topic....

there is no info on the Charger refresh when it goes from the LX to the LY design in a couple of years.
All the attention is on the neo-Chally right now. perhaps in 12-18 Mos. some reliable info will surface.

I think that if i were to purchase a neo-charger i would have some "Enforcer" badges made up as that was the original name for the car to replace the Intrepid before the dealers association voted it down and elected "Charger".

My 300 M was supposed to be called "Eagle".
the Chrysler PT Cruiser was supposed to be the Plymouth Cruiser.

BTW:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120242637224352011.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

"Chrysler LLC is laying out plans to cut by a third the number of models in its product line and significantly reduce the number of dealers selling its cars, company officials told dealers in meetings recently."

that would mean that 10 models are going away...

[Mopar2Ya]

Hopefully Chrysler starts using the 6.4L to compete w/the new CTS-V ~550hp. I'm guessing there will be a 5 yr run on most bodies.

[bull]

BTW:

"Chrysler LLC is laying out plans to cut by a third the number of models in its product line and significantly reduce the number of dealers selling its cars, company officials told dealers in meetings recently."

The first dealers I would eliminate if I ran Chrysler would be the Jack Wads who voted to use the name Charger instead of Enforcer.