Help me analyze this 1971 Charger R/T 440

[runninhorn]

this is for sale 5 mins from me, please help me analyze this car, goods/bads--

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Dodge-Charger-RT-440-RARE-PS-PB-AC-Console-LOOK_W0QQitemZ110216173057QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110216173057#mainImage

[runninhorn]

he also has this 72 Rallye Charger for $15k less--



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Dodge-Charger-Ralley-340-buildsheet-Nums-Match_W0QQitemZ110214555322QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110214555322

Which of the two do you feel is in the better overall condition from the pics?

[tan top]

trunk floor  on the A4 silver ,looks like it is full of bondo / fiberglass    no biggie though if you really like the car , easy replaced also rot in the seams on the top of the quarter in where it rolls into the trunk gutter .
the red charger looks like it has the better body from the pictures , but need to see them up close really 

[TUFCAT]

Regarding the '71 - - I agree about the trunk floor - what a mess.  I 've seen messy caulking on trunk floors, but Chrysler NEVER made any trunk floors that bad!  The caulking actually looks better than the rest of the job!!   

Is it possible that HLPAG repainted this car??  It was RUSTY CAR!!  The scaliness under that fender tag alone makes me suspicious this was once a rusty car that only got a quick fix up for resale.

That right rear quarter was replaced for sure - - AND DOESN'T FIT WORTH A SHIT AROUND THE REAR BUMPER ...THE CONTOUR IS ALL WRONG!! The door hem flanges (in both doors) look terrible, as well as the upper door jamb area by the front fender, and the R/T emblem is wrong, and in the wrong spot on the front fender. You could never get Gunmetal with painted bumpers!!

In one shot, the right corner of the decklid looks "fat"...and my guess is, it has as much plumber's putty as the bottom of the door skins have.....and that front bumper is so crooked on the right side it's painful to look at .


I think you should pass on it .....not to mention is has a non original motor, and a spray bomb restoration of the engine compartment - - which is also missing all the a/c components and needs some serious detailing (even if the body was perfect) for that 35K asking price!!.  I think you get my point.     

[pettyfan43]

^^ What they Said^^ PLUS for that kind of green, you are missing a LOT of EXPENSIVE A/C stuff, Like EVERYTHING under the hood, who KNOWS under the dash?

AND for that kinda cash, he couldn't pony up for the CORRECT air cleaner? COME ON!!!

That is just what I see besides the bodywork issues.

As for the trunk, compare the Red car's trunk with the gray one. THAT is how it should look. the 340 car MIGHT be worth a closer look.

[71gtx]

nice 68 c-body valve covers  on the 440 71 rt

[nakita7]

Watching both myself. The 71 is too rough. The 72 has been on Ebay about 5 times now. I offer every time. Have you looked at the 72 yourself. Wouldn't mind your take.

[runninhorn]

Watching both myself. The 71 is too rough. The 72 has been on Ebay about 5 times now. I offer every time. Have you looked at the 72 yourself. Wouldn't mind your take.

yea, ive seen the red one, it is very clean.

[Nacho-RT74]

I simply say the trunk stuff could it be simply UNDERCOAT and then painted.

From pics, equipment options and relative value still put my votes on the 71 R/T.

If you have the money on hand and doesn't mean a sacrifice would go for it... diff stuff is if you roughly arrives to the price.

[plum500]

Man that trunk does need help - no matter what is the cause. I also see the issues around the door jams and lip of the trunk too. Looks like there may be hidden rust gems. From the underside, it looks pretty clean though - doesn't it? Is that just me? - maybe it's the pics dunno. Might find out there is more solid metal there if you saw it in person.

My '71 came to me with a piece of carpet tarred upside down in the trunk which would have had me run away from it if I only saw that in a pic. Once peeled off (with great difficulty and much swearing) I discovered it was solid as a rock.

The main hidden issues I found later (which I wonder about this '71 on ebay seeing some of those door jams) were in the cowl area, behind the fenders, and around the windshield etc.

It certainly needs some work though.

[runninhorn]

lets add this car #3 to the mix, 71 RT 4 speed--

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Dodge-Charger-RT-SUPER-TRACK-PACK-4-SPEED_W0QQitemZ270208572662QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270208572662

[Nacho-RT74]

Pros:

Cassette player, AM/FM stereo Radio
Manual tranny ( track pack package )
tach

Cons:
Rust under vinyl... BTW is that the original vinyl top ?... doesn't look right to me
Rear wing not right located... in fact neither the trunk lid is the right one
cracked dash

[runninhorn]

nacho between the two R/T's which would you go with?

[Nacho-RT74]

hard to say... track pack makes it hard to choose... if wasn't because that, probably will go with the gray one . A/C is in my opinion a good stuff. just need to get condenser and compressor

BTW, other cons on blue one:

engine bay is a complete mess ( specially wiring ) for the price I think he expects!

and I think something weird about engine.... those valve covers are not the right ones either

also is manual steering, or missed steering pump.

if you have the gray one 5 min from your place check the stuf mentioned here, specially about trunk. and passenger side quarter.

I think anyone you choose will need some kind of job sooner or later

[Nacho-RT74]

^^ What they Said^^ PLUS for that kind of green, you are missing a LOT of EXPENSIVE A/C stuff, Like EVERYTHING under the hood, who KNOWS under the dash?

Stuff is there down the dash. nipples are plugged on firewall. Compressors are plenty around and condenser is not that hard. Lines would be maybe the hardest.

[runninhorn]

Nacho i just added you as a yahoo messenger contact, got a question for you.

[Goldfinger71]

Horn'

Didn't you have this same topic posted a few weeks ago?
If that was you PLEASE read my reply to you about the 71 Gunmetal R/T!
Im just trying to look out for ya!
                                                                         

[runninhorn]

Horn'

Didn't you have this same topic posted a few weeks ago?
If that was you PLEASE read my reply to you about the 71 Gunmetal R/T!
Im just trying to look out for ya!
                                                                         

no.

[mikesbbody]

I havent looked at iether car too close, but it sounds like they both need work. Id personally go for the blue one (i prefer the color) plus its a 4 speed 

[Nacho-RT74]

Both R/Ts have imperfections, simply like that.

the deal is which one to deal with... wihch imperfection you want to deal in a future.

gunmetal R/T:
-trunk floor, but basically dirver side.
-some out of shape on passenger quarter, at rear
-that rust around fender tag
-weird stuff above door jam switches
-missed engine bay A/C stuff

Blue R/T:
-incorrect lid
-incorrect wing and location
-front bumper missaligned
-rust under vinyl and fender doglegs
-incorrect vinyl I think
-dash cracked
-lower quarter body lines allmost erased at the end.
-messed engine bay wiirng and miscelaneous.
-Undercoat all around... IMHO is simply not right

Red Rallye
Didn't detailed completelly. Does look pretty solid. Maye a little bit overpriced being a 340 rallye, however being the 340 a rallye by default maybe makes it a little bit special ?

now, as I stated, both R/Ts have some goodies, pretty much diff one from the other on equippment, but which one you preffer ?that's simply a personal choice

Red Rallye is simply a plain jane one, beside the fact is a rallye, what makes equiped with rear sway bar.

BTW gunmetal has rear valence with exhaust cut outs

Blue one is manual steering ( Or missed pump LOL )

[Goldfinger71]

Horn'

Read this topic about the Gunmetal R/T from Moparts.It is sure to enlighten you.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=4123147&Searchpage=4&Main=4117663&Words=1971+%2Bdodge+%2Bcharger&topic=&Search=true#Post4123147

[Nacho-RT74]

Horn'

Read this topic about the Gunmetal R/T from Moparts.It is sure to enlighten you.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=4123147&Searchpage=4&Main=4117663&Words=1971+%2Bdodge+%2Bcharger&topic=&Search=true#Post4123147

OOOOOOUCHHH

that's why I'm telling you if you have the cars 5 minutes from you, go to see them personally

[runninhorn]

whoa, if it was that bad before, in person, I should be able to see that..........

[charger50071]

What a piece of crap! My RT must be worth $95000.000 by this guys standard.

[runninhorn]

Is this super bee worth $20,000?

http://harwellmotors.com/showcar.php?cid=49#mainImage

[moparstuart]

Is this super bee worth $20,000?

http://harwellmotors.com/showcar.php?cid=49#mainImage

I WOULD SAY  YES   would want to see it inperson but thats a steal I would say

[runninhorn]

Is this super bee worth $20,000?

http://harwellmotors.com/showcar.php?cid=49#mainImage

I WOULD SAY  YES   would want to see it inperson but thats a steal I would say

even with the rough body?

[TUFCAT]

What a piece of crap! My RT must be worth $95000.000 by this guys standard.

I totally agree.....and in that case, I WOULD HAVE SOLD my 1972 Charger Rallye (for $95K) - - back in 2003!   Yeah but,  the guy actually paid $80 less,  and  got great deal! ..... even by the low money standards five years ago.

Given the prices that this eBay jay is asking for these cobbled cars  .....  72chargerSE's rare 4-speed car must be worth way over $150K in todays market!    He could buy one "his" and "hers" 2009 ZR1 Corvette and 2009 SRT8 Challenger for that price !

I'd be worried about getting knifed if I sold any p.o.s car for more than it was worth.....but that's just me.

[runninhorn]

any input on that 69 superbee for $20,000?

[runninhorn]

here is a pic of the 69 superbee for$20k

[472 R/T SE]

A moparts member has that Bee for sale.  I think he got it from Harwell as he's using their pictures to sell it now.   I think it looks like a killer deal unless I'm missing something.
My buddy had one identical but was an original 4 gear Hemi car that has a twin to it in the Great White North.

[runninhorn]

A moparts member has that Bee for sale.  I think he got it from Harwell as he's using their pictures to sell it now.   I think it looks like a killer deal unless I'm missing something.
My buddy had one identical but was an original 4 gear Hemi car that has a twin to it in the Great White North.

yea it is. he is asking $7k less than he paid a few months ago. It has some rust, and not what im 'really' wanting, but would be nice to have. still holding out for that 1970 big block 4 speed challenger or cuda.

[Nacho-RT74]

rough body ? where ?

I say yes, worths it, althought I don't like 69 coronet/superbees.

I just want a give you an opinion if you let me do it... You need to get focused on what you want and not search on what to spend the money

[runninhorn]

rough body ? where ?

I say yes, worths it, althought I don't like 69 coronet/superbees.

I just want a give you an opinion if you permit me... You need to get focused on what you want and not search on what to spend the money

well look at the firewall and around fender tag.

[runninhorn]

rough body ? where ?

I say yes, worths it, althought I don't like 69 coronet/superbees.

I just want a give you an opinion if you let me do it... You need to get focused on what you want and not search on what to spend the money

My budget is $40k.

What i WANT is a 1970 4 speed originally big block Dodge Challenger R/T.

What I also would take is a 1969-1974 Dodge Charger big block 4 speed car R/T.

$40k will eat that up for a so-so car.

$20k in a car like that would allow me $20k to play with (ie- mods)

[Nacho-RT74]

I can't see something to REALLY worry.

if you want a 70 chally... try to get it first. Then once you get tired, go for thr rest of options I'll try to be alert to help you 

[runninhorn]

I can't see something to REALLY worry.

if you want a 70 chally... try to get it first. Then once you get tired, go for thr rest of options I'll try to be alert to help you 

thanks, but the one I found after lookin all year last year I flew out to buy it and the seller sold it out from under me. Was a 1970, EV2 orange, R/T 440-4 speed Challenger for$35k. Havent found one in that condition since.  Figured I could get the Super Bee as a "fix" until I find the one I really want.

[runninhorn]

went and looked at the 72 red charger rallye- do you guys think it's worth $16k? If so, ill pull the trigger.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110221654462&ssPageName=ADME:B:BOCOR:MOT:1#mainImage

[Nacho-RT74]

$16K ? I think so thats a more honest number than $20K. I would give $20K-22K for a BB ( 440 more than 400 ) and A/C car

[runninhorn]

$16 ? I think so thats a more honest number

so 16k isnt getting ripped off? Someone said it was a stripped rallye, what other options did rallye chargers possibly come with?

[Nacho-RT74]

the basic on Rallye are: rallye cluster, Front and rear sway bars, doors and tail light ( just on 72 ), bulged hood, beside the 340 what in this case what is a rallye by default.

Being a 340 Rallye should have as far I know machine guns tips and cut out valance, but I can be wrong, let me search about

[runninhorn]

the basic on Rallye are: rallye cluster, Front and rear sway bars, doors and tail light ( just on 72 ), bulged hood, beside the 340 what in this case what is a rallye by default.

this one has all of those options doesnt it?

Ill get either this one or that SuperBee for $19k.

[Nacho-RT74]

haha, you are quoting me before I edited

[Nacho-RT74]

here the options... doesn't state about the machine gun tips and exhaust cout outs on valence, but I think they were part of package on 340s and 440s

[Nacho-RT74]

From a website I always extracted this:
Rallye Package: Bulge hood, hood tie-down pins, black or red "gradated" body stripe, front and rear sway bars, F70X40 raised white letter tires, Rallye instrument panel (hooded, circular gauges with raised white letters, including a speedo, ammeter,oil,temp,and fuel.)  318V8 standard rallye engine.   340 4 barrel and 440 4 barrel V8 with bright tip duals at extra cost on the ralley. 340 was only available with the rallye.  440 also came with the S.E. package.

but is 73 info. There states about the hood pins what as far I know was optional, not a part of package

About the car itself, just see this "imperfections":
missed console ashtray,
cracked dash pad,
incorrect engine color,
missed woodgrain wheel,
cracked arm rests,
missed rear speaker knob,
missed release key decal,
Missed emergency brake pedal pad
incorrect battery hold down straps
missed nut on inner fender to battery strap
hinges in black
missed valve cover breather
incorrect paint on grilles
damaged quarter jam seal on passenger side
missed trunk drain plugs
missed spare tire, jack and trunk matt

I think there is also something weird about rear bumper below driver side tail light, but maybe a light/reflection illusion ?

I think thats all 

[runninhorn]

man there are 8 R/Ts on Ebay right now!