HEMI Daytona on ebay

[tan top]

     think it has been on before though

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Flawlessly-Restored-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Hemi_W0QQitemZ280196965446QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[nascarxx29]

Been flipped so soon didnt it just sell from ebay sometime ago when it had the PA owner

[moparstuart]

Been flipped so soon didnt it just sell from ebay sometime ago when it had the PA owner

i DONT WANT YOU TO BUY THIS CAR (( what a load of BS)

[nascarxx29]

I only know the Pa owner and the Pa restoration shop and sent him and them the bill of sale .And a retro for sale ad also in the Ed Ryan name.It was a retro custom from back in the day

[69_500]

I thought the funniest thing was that he says it has a Dana 60 rear end with the 3.55 gears. Should at least do a little homework. I mean since he did state that he would love to sit and stare at the car for hours, and it didn't take hours to notice multiple things that aren't "perfect" on the car. Looked the car over at Carlisle. Good looking car, is it the best Daytona out there? To answer bluntly HECK NO. Was it the nicest Daytona at Carlisle? Absolutely NOT.





the statements above are my sole opinion, and probably aren't everyone's opinion.

[BigBlockSam]

i DONT WANT YOU TO BUY THIS CAR (( what a load of BS) 

i'm glad to make him happy

[RAC95054]

      I DONT WANT YOU TO BUY THIS CAR (( what a load of BS)

He probably just wants to get an idea of what he really could get for it in this market, and use eBay as an advertising tool, in case there are serious buyers looking.  There is no way he would get $699K, even it it were a 4-speed and mint.  Realistically, I'd say something in the $400-$500K range.     What's everyone else think?

[WINGMAN]

   But it is what it is  A REAL HEMI DAYTONA.  Not many come up for sale, and how many are left 30? . If i hitt the lotto i will take it and use my 440 tona as a daily driver. Jay.

[pettybird]

I work there!


The car is very nice.  There are some pretty silly things for a shop like Totally Auto to miss, but I'd imagine the number of ground-up wing car restos there has to be pretty low.  The owner (of both the car and the dealership) put the car up for sale more for its "halo effect" with the other cars in the showroom. 

ANYONE coming near Cleveland needs to stop by the place--it's sick.  Cute thing today--a guy brought in his 5 year old son, who had his newly purchased "bumblebee" Transformer toy.  I told him we had a bumblebee, too, and showed him a '69 Camaro.  I remembered that we had another, and blew his mind by showing him another.  We have five total '69 Camaros there. 

There are also a pair of 6 barrel '71 cudas, the yellow 'bird, five or six 66-67 hemi cars, a couple Yenko clones, etc etc etc.  It's pretty amazing.  The cars are all very attractive, if not 100% OE gold cert.  Trust me--you wouldn't turn any of them down. 

[pettybird]

He's not kidding about the Daytona he sold--he owned the former black cherry car, which is now V2 again.  He started the business after that car was sold--



oh, and it is off the rotator--I pulled it down for pics of the curious yellow shaker 'cuda...  It sits on a platform all by itself, though

[moparstuart]

He's not kidding about the Daytona he sold--he owned the former black cherry car, which is now V2 again.  He started the business after that car was sold--



oh, and it is off the rotator--I pulled it down for pics of the curious yellow shaker 'cuda...  It sits on a platform all by itself, though

sound like you got a great place to work dougy , are you liking what your doing ?

[69_500]

I wasn't aware that you worked there Doug. It wasn't but a few months ago he was advertising for a pretty nice 69 Charger R/T I think. If I knew you worked there I would have stopped in the last time I was in Cleveland, back in October.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

If anything that rotator thingy is pretty cool   makes it nice to take pics.  Looks like a cool place to work as well....

Are all those cars they have up for sale really there at the location or they on consignment of sorts?

[Magnumcharger]

OK...correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to have a 1970 Charger trunklid, cut down and modified to 500/Daytona specs.
Is this chronologically possible???

[daytonalo]

I thought I read somewhere that the striker plate should be body color

[pettybird]

Danny I started this week...next time you're around, please let me know and we can get together.  Week one seemed to have gone OK--last thing the owner did before he left today was give me business cards, so I'll take that as a positive sign


the car wears a '70 hood and decklid.  the edge is also rolled over and not just bent down. 


the strikers should be body color.  if it was there, some retard at creative painted it, whether or not he was supposed to.

[daytonalo]

I PREFER MENTALLY CHALLENGED THANK YOU !!!

[Alaskan_TA]

Anyone know why / when the speedometer was replaced? (red tenths)

[tan top]

Anyone know why / when the speedometer was replaced? (red tenths)

   good spot , must of looked at the pictures 20 times & never noticed that ........ odd though red tenths

[69_500]

Doug, did you have a chance to look at the front fender chrome trim? I wonder what happened to the origional tire trim for the front tires.


Side note, was Totally Auto not completely done with the restoration when it was on display at Carlisle? Because at Carlisle the fender tag still wasn't painted body color either, it was bare metal.

[pettybird]

Doug, did you have a chance to look at the front fender chrome trim? I wonder what happened to the origional tire trim for the front tires.

it's a clever solution, I guess--much better than the 'cut and use two pieces' method. 

I'm not sure how much of the car is original.  I don't know if there's a book showing resto stuff or not...  The fenders are PERFECTLY smooth inside, yet there are no holes for marker lights (aka 70 fenders.)  obviously the hood and deck are replacement. 

again, this is the boss's pride and joy, and I've barely gotten up the nerve to brush up against the damn thing.  he's thrilled that it's amazing to look at, and he's right.  It's a work of art more than a correct resto.  Totally Auto clearcoated EVERYTHING, so it'll look like this in 20 years, too.

[daytonalo]

I'm not sure I see  the problem is  with front wheelwell trim .

Larry

[69_500]

As far as I know the Daytona fender shouldn't have the marker holes filled in. According to papers I've seen they were ordered as fenders without the marker cut outs, that were sent to Creative to be used.

[FJMG]

As far as I know the Daytona fender shouldn't have the marker holes filled in. According to papers I've seen they were ordered as fenders without the marker cut outs, that were sent to Creative to be used.

     I am pretty sure that on the 119 page document, Chrysler supplied the fender skin (w/o marker light holes) with only the rear vertical brace attached. The fender brace (above the wheel) and all the splash panels etc. at the front of the fender were attached by the "vendor". Sheet 8 of 119 (unless I am reading it wrong).

[daytonalo]

What is wrong with front wheelwell trim ??

Larry

[daytonalo]

what is wrong with front trim ?

[daytonalo]

what is wrong with front trim ??

[daytonalo]

what is wrong with front trim ??

[Ghoste]

Obviously this must also be the same car that Totally Auto has been using in their magazine ads of late.

[PocketThunder]

what is wrong with front trim ??

       

[daytonalo]

Sorry , my computer has problems !! The kink in the front trim by Valence ??

[hemigeno]

As far as I know the Daytona fender shouldn't have the marker holes filled in. According to papers I've seen they were ordered as fenders without the marker cut outs, that were sent to Creative to be used.

     I am pretty sure that on the 119 page document, Chrysler supplied the fender skin (w/o marker light holes) with only the rear vertical brace attached. The fender brace (above the wheel) and all the splash panels etc. at the front of the fender were attached by the "vendor". Sheet 8 of 119 (unless I am reading it wrong).

There should not be any evidence of the '70 marker holes.  There's only one car that I am aware of which has original fenders that also have visible '70 marker hole indents, and that is 287970 - which I am more and more believing was a prototype / test mule car.

[hemigeno]

OK...correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to have a 1970 Charger trunklid, cut down and modified to 500/Daytona specs.
Is this chronologically possible???

No, that was not chronologically possible, and you were on the money with that observation.  Doug is also correct about the edge treatment:

the car wears a '70 hood and decklid.  the edge is also rolled over and not just bent down. 

the strikers should be body color.  if it was there, some retard at creative painted it, whether or not he was supposed to.

Definitely true.  Creative's guys did not take the time to remove the decklid striker, so it got blasted when they painted the decklid itself.  Original cars usually have nothing but primer underneath the striker, and you'll also often see a "shadow" of primer showing behind the striker where it shielded the paint from covering right behind the striker.  There will also usually be some of the (cadmium? silver zinc? not sure) plating showing on the backside legs of the striker as well.  In essense, they weren't really supposed to paint the striker, and they did a poor job with paint coverage to boot.

[daytonalo]

OK guy's , let me have it !!! In what pic is the problem and what is the exact problem ?

Short bus Larry

[tan top]

Doug, did you have a chance to look at the front fender chrome trim? I wonder what happened to the origional tire trim for the front tires.

 


just realised i think i know what you are talking about now , been  studying the picture for hours  

[hemi68charger]

Man,,, that thing's sweet !!!!     

[69_500]

THEY ARE CUT, that is what is wrong with them. Just a little slit in them to make them fit. Its showing the photo that was shown.

[69_500]

Here is another photo of the wheel trim.

[daytonalo]

I came up with a method to straighten them

[pettybird]

There should not be any evidence of the '70 marker holes.  There's only one car that I am aware of which has original fenders that also have visible '70 marker hole indents, and that is 287970 - which I am more and more believing was a prototype / test mule car.

What I meant by that is that I reached inside the fender and didn't immediately feel any evidence of former marker light hole--i.e., they did a masterful job of butt welding in metal, or they're real fenders.  I know there aren't two front marker lights per side on 'tonas...

[Fitz73Chrgr]

Looks like they forgot the Charger emblems on the B pillars as well. 

[pettybird]

a couple updates on this car--


I changed the shift knob.  I talked to Dave Patik and it bothered the hell out of me, so it's replaced.

According to the docs with the car, it's supposed to have most of its original metal (excluding the roof, decklid and hood, apparently.)  it's still there, on a pedestal now.  I field at least two calls a week asking if the price is right, or a digit off...obviously by people who don't know what a Daytona should cost.

Looking at it every day brightens my mood.  It's an awesome sight, details be damned.

a couple questions:


There's a leak in one of the vacuum actuators (surprise surprise.)  What's an easy way to disconnect the secondary springs?  It kills me to see it staring back at me six days a week.  I'm not too worried about how it'll be driving in the rain at night, ya know?

MCG this month features the car.  They claim it's the highest price recorded for a Hemi Daytona.  Now, I know of a few that have traded hands for more, but what's the most one's gone for PUBLICLY? 

They also list the gears as being 3.55's, so we're not the only idiots.  Isn't A32 super track pak?  Should be 4.10's then.  OK so if it's got 3.54 gears, is that possible?  With an auto, with a Hemi?  I didn't think you could get track pak with an auto, regardless of motor?

I'm building a '67 Hemi GTX from SCRATCH.  List of items installed on the rotisseried shell:  Door shells, fenders, decklid/spring bar, hood/hood springs, leaf springs/axle housing, upper/lower control arms, spindles/drums (empty,) torsion bars and the K frame.  That's it.  It has the panels gapped properly and enough gear to roll around on while everything else is in 50 boxes in three shops.  AND I had nothing to do with the disassembly.  Rant aside, how close would all of the inspection marks and finishes be to the Daytona's?  Wing car exclusive items being wrong aside, Totally Auto does crank out show winners.  Could I simply duplicate many of the marks and be correct?  Hemi/auto/3.23 8 3/4 car...

[Aero426]

The T5 4-speed car sold at Mecum last spring for well over $500k.   I thought it was actually around $550k,  but don't have the info handy.

[hemigeno]

The T5 4-speed car sold at Mecum last spring for well over $500k.   I thought it was actually around $550k,  but don't have the info handy.

I remembered the T5 4-speed car's ending price in 5/07 was less than $600k, so the $550k sounds about right.  The actual auction results have been erased from Mecum's website, probably since Mecum is still trying to sell the car - presumably for its new owner.  It's been auctioned twice recently, once last October w/ an ending price of $420k, and just this past January when it hit $410k.

Oh, and the SuperPerformance Axle Package was for a Dana60 with 4.10 gears, the only Dana available in combination with an automatic transmission.  Dana60s with 3.54 gears were only installed in 4-speed cars, and the standard axle for an automatic Daytona was (depending on which document you rely on) a 3.55 geared 8-3/4".  It was the same for either a 440 car or Hemi.

I haven't disconnected the headlight bucket springs myself, but wouldn't you just unhook the coil spring from the fixed stud mounted to the side of the metal bucket plate?  Let the spring uncoil a bit and then allow it to just dangle?  There's probably some tension on the spring but it never seemed to be horrifically tight to me.  I'd think that with a pair of needlenose pliers, a guy could re-install the spring while out on the road if the need ever came up.  Just a guess though, but that might keep the frog eyes from popping up while it's on the turntable...   

[pettybird]

Problem is the "some tension" sucks.  Couple that with an assembled, concours car and my not-small frame, and it's a pain to reach up there. 

I figured that there was a higher price somewhere--MCG's run by a good group of guys that occasionally aren't too bothered by facts.

[hemigeno]

Can you reach the spring from the cooling hole below?  I know you can see it from beneath, but whether there is enough room to reach in and actually disengage the spring (without endangering life, limb and employment security) is another story.

[Daytona Enthusiast]

I saw and talked to Jim Radke today at the Spring Fling. He had some great vintage pictures with him of the car. All the pictures he had
of the car, including before he owned it and during the time he owned it showed the car wearing Charger emblems on the roof...

[hemi68charger]

Looks like they forgot the Charger emblems on the B pillars as well. 

I saw that too...... 

[FJMG]

   According to the article in MCG, The original roof had no holes in the C-pillar, Hence no emblems right from the factory. They decided to replicate that little factory goof-up during resto.

[UFO]

According to the article in MCG, The original roof had no holes in the C-pillar, Hence no emblems right from the factory. They decided to replicate that little factory goof-up during resto.

Read that story , But the holes are in the quarter panel skin not the roof.

[hemi68charger]

   According to the article in MCG, The original roof had no holes in the C-pillar, Hence no emblems right from the factory. They decided to replicate that little factory goof-up during resto.

Good point..............  Mmmmm ?  I guess there's always a first time for everything..........