Anyone get their 440source heads yet???? SOLD OUT TILL FEB!

[hard-charger]

so the rol #31130 head gaskets work fine right?
cause im in the middle of my engine assembly. (not the middle of the public opinion crossfire  ).
so if they are the ones then let me know.
thanks all!

[mally69]

I have heard from some that the fel pro 8515 work and others said no. But so far i have heard that the ROL's gasket had been good so far.

[Super68]

I'm going to be ordering the ROLs that 440 Source sells.

I hope to have these bolted on and running in about 3 weeks so unless someone beats me to it I'll let you know how I go.

I then plan on putting the car on the Dyno to see what I end up with. I only got 178 at the wheels last time and I've only changed carbs since then.

[mally69]

I'm going to be ordering the ROLs that 440 Source sells.

I hope to have these bolted on and running in about 3 weeks so unless someone beats me to it I'll let you know how I go.

I then plan on putting the car on the Dyno to see what I end up with. I only got 178 at the wheels last time and I've only changed carbs since then.

I would  like to have mine assembled and running the day of the arrival or the next.
But mine wont be seeing a dyno, so when you do have it dyno'ed that it would be great to have that info. As proof of how much of a gain there is with these heads 

[Mfr426]

I tend to agree with Brandon's post. Everyone loves to pile on in life. I see this all the time and it's a shame but "we" love drama!

I know that when I bought his stroker my machinst said the kit was top-notch. I recall the naysayers saying that the kit was junk. If that was the case 440source would be out of business or no longer selling the kits. 

I have high expectations for the heads and will wait till the smoke clears on the gasket issue before I order mine.

[my73charger]

I can't believe there is so much bashing in the Mopar Community for a vendor that is doing his best to supply exclusively Mopar parts.  You would think there would be more support.  I for one get tired of going through Summit and Jegs only to find many Ford and Chevy only parts.  Don't get me wrong, I order from Summit frequently and the guys there are great, but I would rather buy directly from a Mopar vendor.

[73chgrSE]

How do the mopar performance heads compare to them and/or the eddy's?

  DCC-5153524 summit#

[mally69]

I think the mopar stage 6's are made by edelbrock with a few mopars casting's put on them.  But im not sure of that

[my73charger]

I think all the numbers are all real close, so the big distinguishing factor is the cost. 

[TUFCAT]

I can't believe there is so much bashing in the Mopar Community for a vendor that is doing his best to supply exclusively Mopar parts!!

Amen brother, Amen.  That's why I never go onto that "other" Mopar site. 

By the way..... considering the quality control back in the day,  do you think there was never any gasket overhang from the factory??  I'm sure there was.....and just like today, it was very negligible and not worth arguing about .    In my opinion, that tiny bit of gasket overlap is nothing to get your panties wadded up over.  Unless you're building a ten second motor.....and then you'd be using the Edelebrock heads anyway.   

These heads are being sold to the guys who want to appear like they're running factory heads....for a lot less machining costs than building a factory head to perform as well.

[Runner]

I think the mopar stage 6's are made by edelbrock with a few mopars casting's put on them.  But im not sure of that

  stage 6 heads  have nothing to do with edelbrock, they are a mopar designed head from start to finish. the mopar aluminum 452 heads are edelbrock rpm heads with straight plugs, the are made by edelbrock from mopar.



    as far as moparts goes,  the information posted by fast68plymouth was as good as it gets, you can ask firefighter ron what he thinks of the guy. he has sence deleted all his info from that thread sence he was attacked for his evaluation of the head.   like the info or not, it is what it is.       you guys that have bought the heads should at very least take the time to check your gaskets ( ever seen a head gasket failure carve a channel into a block?) and also check your retainers.     not trying to drag the fight over here, just stating that dwyane is a class act.       

[AKcharger]

Mine came yesterday!!!!!!

Too bad i'm in fla on an AF trip so i can't play with them 

[Rolling_Thunder]

F*** Moparts...     There's a reason I left that place a long time ago...       Too many old guys who think they know everything over there...     

[Musicman]

I still don't understand what all this chatter is about... Dwyane has already stated that the Eddy & Mopar Stage 6 heads suffer from the same issues using a Fel 1009... IE: No big difference, so no big deal... so where's the problem?  Use the ROL 31130 that comes with their kit... Lay it out on the head and check it out for yourself... If you feel you have a legitimate issue, then take it up with 440Source.

Personaly, I feel their doing their best to provide us Mopar folks with a quality product at a reasonable price. As one of the other fella's already stated, you get a little tired of shopping around at the Chevy & Ford caterers all the time.

[mally69]

I have been a member on moparts just as long as I have been on this site, and I have to say THANKS TO EVERYONE on this site. You are all a great group of guys/girls,  and for the most part everybody here gets along and the info is always here and thing go smoothly. I have seen moparts kinda go down hill in the past year or so its its agrivating to see everyone bickering and fighting about everything. So my main place is this site.

Thanks Everyone.

[Musicman]

For those who may be interested, the ROL HG31130HT head gasket has an advertised bore of 4.505, and crushes to .045... at least that is the information given on their web site. There are a number of 440 head gaskets out there to choose from, some with smaller bores and some with even larger bores.

[AKcharger]

I don't think I've EVER had a question answered on MOPARTS, just gets buried in 1000 of posts, no one cares, I hate it

[69chargerR/T]

I have been a member on moparts just as long as I have been on this site, and I have to say THANKS TO EVERYONE on this site. You are all a great group of guys/girls,  and for the most part everybody here gets along and the info is always here and thing go smoothly. I have seen moparts kinda go down hill in the past year or so its its agrivating to see everyone bickering and fighting about everything. So my main place is this site.

Thanks Everyone.

I am also a member on moparts but I don't go to that site as often as I used to because of all the BS on that site!!!!!! We go on these sites to talk about mopars and get info on mopars, and to get info on products that people have used and weather it is good or bad. We don't go on these sites to hear guys complain about where the parts are made and who makes them,we want to know the facts of weather they are good or not and if they do what the seller says it does and if they are worth the $$$ they cost !!!!! I understand some guys may like a product and some may not, all I want to hear is why a guy likes it and why a guy doesn't then I can look at everyones answer and make my own decision on weather I want to buy it or not !!!!!!!!!!

Thats why I like this site, I can ask a question about any product on the market an get good info on why guy likes a product and why they don't with out all the BS and get good honest answers All the guys on this site are cool and don't complain when someone asks a lot of questions on a subject so he make sure he understands what he is being told, that is what is so cool about this site   I think we should invite Brandon of 440 source to post info on his products on this site so we can talk about his products and get info with out the BS  We should also invite Dwayne of PRH to post his info on this site too so we can get his opinion with out all the BS  


                    This is the best mopar site that I have found     Alan

[joflaig]

I haven't been a member here that long, but I'd agree that this is a more harmonous place than moparts. But to be fair there are a lot less members and the focus is narrower so to a degree it may just be a natural outgrowth. That being said I'm not sure which was more dramatic on Sunday: watching the super bowl or following all the fireworks on the stealth heads at moparts!

[375instroke]

yeah, those flow numbers mean nothing to anyone unless you run them on a calibrated bench, or you run them side by side on the same bench at the same time and under the same conditions as something that is known (eddys)

Why doesn't anyone have a calibrated flow bench?  Does that mean that the shops that don't calibrate their benches don't calibrate their torque wrenches, calipers, and dial indicators?

[375instroke]

For those of you that won't buy these heads because they are not made in America, can you say you don't run foreign gasoline through your American made heads?  How much money do you give to the Middle East compared to what you give Edelbrock?  I'm getting a set now without a motor for them just because of the crap the Source is getting.

gotta be the dumbest reason to buy a set of heads. 

That wasn't the only reason I'm getting the heads.  It's the reason I'm getting them now, and the fact that they will be going up in price.

[aifilaw]

yeah, those flow numbers mean nothing to anyone unless you run them on a calibrated bench, or you run them side by side on the same bench at the same time and under the same conditions as something that is known (eddys)

Why doesn't anyone have a calibrated flow bench?  Does that mean that the shops that don't calibrate their benches don't calibrate their torque wrenches, calipers, and dial indicators?

I think you may be taking what I said and running with it. Plenty of places calibrate their normal tools. but a lot of places have a flow bench that is not calibrated, just the same as a lot of people probably have a torque wrench that hasn't been calibrated in years and years. There's also plenty of flow benches that can not be calibrated because they are make-shift.

A good bench will have a golden port calibrated on it and flow at 28" exactly, all measureable and defineable. By golden port, I mean a standard, known unchanging port that is used to calibrate all flow benches to the exact cfm at 28" and give the same exact measurements.

[Blakcharger440]

I just posted this in another thread on here about Rol Gaskets, but I will put it here again. I dont have any way to measure the overhang other than feel.

"I test fit the Rol head gasket on the Stealth head. Like the pics in that link it does overhang just a little in a couple of spots on two of the cylinders. You can just feel it is not flush. I would say no more than .010" if I were to guess. I dug the used Fel Pro FEL8519PT1 head gasket out of the trash can and it had more overhang than the Rol did, and in more places. So I put the heads on with the Rol gaskets and started all the new ARP bolts in the holes. Just left them hand tight so the heads wont fall off."

So the Rol gaskets are the only ones that will work properly and no over the counter Felpro will work?

I just ordered a set of the stealth heads,arp bolts and spark plugs a couple of days ago from Brandon and I hope that the gasket issue will not be a huge problem.

[Musicman]

So the Rol gaskets are the only ones that will work properly and no over the counter Felpro will work?

I'll repeat myself here...
The ROL HG31130HT head gasket has an advertised bore of 4.505, and crushes to .045... at least that is the information given on their web site. There are a number of 440 head gaskets out there to choose from, some with smaller bores and some with even larger bores.

[firefighter3931]

So the Rol gaskets are the only ones that will work properly and no over the counter Felpro will work?

I just ordered a set of the stealth heads,arp bolts and spark plugs a couple of days ago from Brandon and I hope that the gasket issue will not be a huge problem.

The easy fix for the gasket overhang issue would be to simply mill .030 off the heads....problem solved. 

The ROL gaskets are thicker and have a larger bore diameter so this would be a good idea anyway to help get the compression back up. 



Ron