The Chally uncovered..

[Mopar2Ya]

Some people have got them for MSRP. I'm not sure how that will effect collector value. '09's should be out at the end of summer.
http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/search.php?searchid=71250
http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/

[Charger_Fan]

Some people have got them for MSRP. I'm not sure how that will effect collector value. '09's should be out at the end of summer.
http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/search.php?searchid=71250
http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/

Yep, this guy seems pretty darn happy.
http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2080

[69bronzeT5]

Yep, this guy seems pretty darn happy.
http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2080

Now that would be a cool trip. Driving across the country and flying through the desert in a brand new black '08 Challenger

[694spdRT]

Yep, this guy seems pretty darn happy.
http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2080

Now that would be a cool trip. Driving across the country and flying through the desert in a brand new black '08 Challenger

Driving through the desert.....too bad white isn't available. 

[Mike DC]

   
Heh, heh, heh . . .  and get a new Camaro to slam into a pair of bulldozers. 

 

[41husk]

   
Heh, heh, heh . . .  and get a new Camaro to slam into a pair of bulldozers. 

 

Im all for thar!   

[Crazy Larry]

its too chunky. damn shame.

Chunky?!

Compare it to the pig-nosed 2008 Charger...the new Challenger then looks like a Brazillian super-model.

It's fine.

brazilain super model: 118 Lbs.  2009 Neo-chally: north of 4,1000 Lbs... sorry larry I'm gonna have to go with Brazil.. 

Ha ha

That's a good one Brock, but you have to put it in perspective.....

More like this......





when compared to this.....

[moparstuart]

its too chunky. damn shame.

Chunky?!

Compare it to the pig-nosed 2008 Charger...the new Challenger then looks like a Brazillian super-model.

It's fine.

brazilain super model: 118 Lbs.  2009 Neo-chally: north of 4,1000 Lbs... sorry larry I'm gonna have to go with Brazil.. 

Ha ha

That's a good one Brock, but you have to put it in perspective.....

More like this......





when compared to this.....

even that 4dr magnum sedan looks great compared to that other black dressed thing

[1969chargerrtse]

Looks nice and I think it's great they made such a car.  Remember the first years are always just nice in design.  Wait until sales slow and a few years past.  You'll see shaker hoods and billboard stripes ( I hope), and all kinds of Mopar funky things that make Mopar what it is.

[chargerrt]

I'll take a new Camaro, and I really don't like Chevrolets

edit:  The local Dodge dealer told us that the actual sticker price for the new Challengers would be closer to that of the GT500's....closer to $60,000

They have already released the sticker pricing. If a dealer wants a huge premium find another dealer. It is not like they are only making a couple hundred of these plus the 09's will be out in six months. Dealers were the same way early on with the SRT8 Charger's and 300's but eventually they could be bought under sticker.

Nice!  That's good to know, but it still doesn't change my mind about how the car looks.

[Charged]

Rumor has it that "EVERY" Challenger youve seen that is suppose to be new is still the CONCEPT. The production will be unveiled at the Chicago auto show in Febuary...I think thats the month. That being said, the production Challenger has not been seen yet.

That car (including the 70's era) is a body ripoff of a Camaro. Camaro debut in '68, Challenger in '70...you tell me who come out with the first body like that. Besides, this new one has Chevy racing stripes...**** that! I STILL prefer the new Mustangs.

[Ghoste]

I don't know that I put too much stock in that rumor.  I think that's more likely to be Chrysler just trying to keep the hype going.

[Mike DC]

 
Look at the structural B-pillar posts on all the recent Chally pics.  The concept was a pillarless "hardtop" roof. 

And the wheels/tires also look a notch smaller lately. 


These recent cars must at least be early preproduction mules of the final product. 

   

[drodg]

I'll take a new Camaro, and I really don't like Chevrolets

edit:  The local Dodge dealer told us that the actual sticker price for the new Challengers would be closer to that of the GT500's....closer to $60,000

That is not MSRP.  But I think that the going price is 15-20K over list.  Fully loaded with the gas guzzler tax is 42K

[Joshua]

That car (including the 70's era) is a body ripoff of a Camaro. Camaro debut in '68, Challenger in '70...you tell me who come out with the first body like that. Besides, this new one has Chevy racing stripes...**** that! I STILL prefer the new Mustangs.

Camaro debut in '68??? Hahahaha......you've never seen a '67 then, have you? Camaro design was shown at auto shows in @ 1966.....
And it could be argued that MANY different designs are ripoffs of earlier ones.....many US automakers were "borrowing" styling cues from the Europeans, especially during the 60's.

[Brock Samson]

That car (including the 70's era) is a body ripoff of a Camaro. Camaro debut in '68, Challenger in '70...you tell me who come out with the first body like that. Besides, this new one has Chevy racing stripes...**** that! I STILL prefer the new Mustangs.

Camaro debut in '68??? Hahahaha......you've never seen a '67 then, have you? Camaro design was shown at auto shows in @ 1966.....
And it could be argued that MANY different designs are ripoffs of earlier ones.....many US automakers were "borrowing" styling cues from the Europeans, especially during the 60's.

And the Camaro was a ripoff of the hot selling Mustang... It wasn't just the styling cues americans were borrowing from the Europeans, but the "compact" size,.. someone mentioned up above that this new neo-chally is based on a medium sized 300 platform, except the 300 nee LX platform isn't an intermediate or mid size, it's full sized,.. and the original pony cars, were biased on the compacts not the intermediate B- Bodys or the full size C-bodies but the compact A-bodys, with lengthened hoods and shorter trunks for the classic GT "long hood-short deck" look, like American Aston Martins, the original Lambo 250 Grand Touring Cars and the sports cars with small back seats the Europeans did so well... allot of G.T. DNA can be seen in the original American pony cars.. anyhow, my point is to base this new Chally on a full size LX platform is not faithful to the original formula... The demographic is more for older empty nesters with a medium income of $ 70K and up. I bet the target market is too old and rich for the average DC.com member.
And in my opinion like the "Magnum Sedan" it's waaaay too big and heavy to be a faithful pony car, like 300 to 400 lbs. too heavy, that's what hurt American cars in the '70s too much weight combined with strangeled engines...

[Ghoste]

Not to mention that a lot of the stylists went to the same schools together.

[T3/RT]

 
Look at the structural B-pillar posts on all the recent Chally pics.  The concept was a pillarless "hardtop" roof. 

And the wheels/tires also look a notch smaller lately. 


These recent cars must at least be early preproduction mules of the final product. 

   

From [Oh2o] on Allpar:

Recent spy pics of the Challenger, especially anyone basing their "final" decision/opinion on what they like and don't like - the photos are of pre-production vehicles and come reveal/production time there could certainly be some minor changes.

[Brock Samson]

don't get me started on Americas inability to produce a decent, No, make that ANY Hardtop... 

[Ghoste]

From [Oh2o] on Allpar:

Recent spy pics of the Challenger, especially anyone basing their "final" decision/opinion on what they like and don't like - the photos are of pre-production vehicles and come reveal/production time there could certainly be some minor changes.

Pre-production is a whole step closer to production than concept though so I wouldn't go as far as to say that all we've seen are cleverly disguised concept cars running around.  In spite of it coming from Allpar, I don't think you'll see much difference between the spy pics and the final offering.  It'll be certainly closer to the spy pics than it is to the concept cars and there isn't a whole lot of difference between those two.  The B pillar was something they indicated a long time ago had to be changed for production purposes and the neon taillight of the concept was also something they made clear wouldn't make it to production.  Most of the rest of the car looks the same from concept to pre-production so I think it's safe to assume the final production car is going to look incredibly like what we've seen to date. Just my 

[Joshua]

I like the way you think Brock!!!

[Brock Samson]

BTW: a B pillar is not a minor structual element. look at any of our favorites from the classic muscle car era, how many were hardtops?..
Isn't one of the sublime joys of the Charger and/or Challenger lowering all the windows for a wonderfull breezy blast?..

[Ghoste]

I agree that it isn't a minor element but in this case, they've hidden it reasonably well.  It isn't as obvious as it was on some the classics. 

[Brock Samson]

yeah hide the bulk... blacking out the bottom of a car is like a fat chick wearing a little black dress.. can you spot the new Dodge Muffintop?.. 

[Ghoste]

Whatever.  In any case, returning from the tangent I stand by my statement that the car you will soon see on the lots is going to be virtually identical to the spy pics we are seeing today. (which isn't a helluva lot different from the concept we saw before  )