Flat black tail panel on a black '68?

[bull]

I've seen black '68s with all gloss on the tail panel and I've seen them with flat black in the center of the tail panel like all the other colors. Two questions for you in light of that: 1) Did the factory do flat black tail panels on the black 2nd gens (I think it did)? and 2) Which do you prefer?

[histoy]

Our black '68 was finished with a dull black tail panel, and I think it looks great that way. 

[Charger-Bodie]

Bull , Flat black all the way!! no question in my mind! the moldings just look funny if they arent dividing color or at least gloss levels 

[bull]

You guys are right. After thinking it over for a few hours I think it just looks better with more contrast back there. Looks to me like they shot it gloss so I'm going to have to tell them about it.

[six-tee-nine]

Yep it's supposed to be flat. And I totally agree with 1HOT68 here.

BTW here's a pic of a red 68, you can see the flat black better here.

[NorwayCharger]

I think they look best with the black satin rear

[bull]

Ok, now I'm a little screwed up after seeing the pictures. What area gets the flat/satin black? How do you determine the border?

[1969chargerrtse]

My rear was done wrong, the stripe is painted and not V'd to the trunk, and the rear is gloss.  I know it's wrong and I may reshoot it, but gloss don't look half bad. 

[daytonalo]

super nice 69 !!!!!!!!

[Charger-Bodie]

Ok, now I'm a little screwed up after seeing the pictures. What area gets the flat/satin black? How do you determine the border?

Bull, the moldings on a 68 tail panel are the break point for the flat (satin) black. you need to take them the moldings ,have then set in place and used as a guide to mask it, remove them , finish masking , then spray it

Also don't be too hard on them for painting it gloss it should be painted with body color first anyway for better corrosion resistance. 

And one more thing, That red 68 up a few has its tail panel painted completely wrong . only 69 tail panels are painted all the way down like that!

These aren't great pics but I'm not a photographer 

[1969chargerrtse]

Ok, now I'm a little screwed up after seeing the pictures. What area gets the flat/satin black? How do you determine the border?

Bull, the moldings on a 68 tail panel are the break point for the flat (satin) black. you need to take the the moldings ,have then set in place and used as a guide to mask it, remove them , finish masking , then sprayit

Also dont be too hard on them for painting it gloss it should be painted with body color first anyway for better corrosion resistance. 

And one more thing, That red 68 up a few has its tail panel painted completly wrong . only 69 tail panels are painted all the way down like that!

Good point.  "That red 68 up a few has its tail panel painted completly wrong . only 69 tail panels are painted all the way down like that!"

[bill440rt]

1hot68 is COMPLETELY correct. (Ya beat me to it again, Brian!). 

Bull, here is a shot of my '68 to get a better idea of contrast & where it should be flat black. That other red '68 is painted incorrectly.

[Charger-Bodie]

1hot68 is COMPLETELY correct. (Ya beat me to it again, Brian!). 

Bull, here is a shot of my '68 to get a better idea of contrast & where it should be flat black. That other red '68 is painted incorrectly.

If its any consolation Bill , it looks great!! 

[69_500]

Is anyone going to mention that it all depends on which factory built your car as to what color the tail panel is supposed to be painted? It is a different color depending on if its a St. Louis car, or a Michigan built car.

I know I know, its not something that people think about most often, but it is true.

[Charger-Bodie]

Here you go, here is a diagram to explain it all. The paint on the tail panel, and the application of the stripe. Both for the 1968 Chargers.

Hey, thats awesome I got to learn twice today. 

1 I did not know about the 2 diff organsonal Blacks for a 68 t/panel.

2 I have always thought that the s/m lamp should be centered in the wide stripe it is set in. 

Thanks alot for the info 69500!!

[chargerguy111]

What about the black inside the tail light bezels?Is it the same as the tail panel?

[bull]

Ok, whew. That red '68 had me all screwed up. Thanks for the info.

What about the black inside the tail light bezels?Is it the same as the tail panel?

Now that's a really good question. I was wondering the same thing.

[68charger383]

This has ben bouncing around my head when I look at my car....should I get the rear panel sprayed black (now the specific color balck per the factory it was built at)

I like the blue back panel, but....I just keep thinking it does not look right with it being painted that way!

By the way Bull, paint on your car looks great ! 

[Dans 68]

Here you go, here is a diagram to explain it all. The paint on the tail panel, and the application of the stripe. Both for the 1968 Chargers.

Nice '68 Engineering Illustrations!   

Dan

[bull]

This has ben bouncing around my head when I look at my car....should I get the rear panel sprayed black (now the specific color balck per the factory it was built at)

I like the blue back panel, but....I just keep thinking it does not look right with it being painted that way!

By the way Bull, paint on your car looks great ! 

Thanks. Yours looks real nice too, I like the color. I have to say though I vote for doing a black tail panel on it.

[Mike DC]

 
The factory "organisol" black paint was literally about as flat as you could possibly make the area.

But gloss & semi paint in the area don't look half bad.


Personal preference.   

   

[Jonas_N]

Here you go, here is a diagram to explain it all. The paint on the tail panel, and the application of the stripe. Both for the 1968 Chargers.

2 I have always thought that the s/m lamp should be centered in the wide stripe it is set in. 

Thanks alot for the info 69500!!

Yes, me too. Thanks for the info and picture 69500. 

[bull]

Here you go, here is a diagram to explain it all. The paint on the tail panel, and the application of the stripe. Both for the 1968 Chargers.

2 I have always thought that the s/m lamp should be centered in the wide stripe it is set in. 

Thanks alot for the info 69500!!

Yes, me too. Thanks for the info and picture 69500. 

Thanks from me too. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but would there be any way for you to scan those pages and post them here? I'd really like to read everything they have to say. Did you buy those somewhere? Are they in the repair manual maybe?

[Mopar2Ya]

IMO, the correct black looks the best.
Not to hijack, but '68-'69 tails were black? Were all '70's body color?

[Back N Black]

IMO, the correct black looks the best.
Not to hijack, but '68-'69 tails were black? Were all '70's body color?

I think the base model 70 was body color and the 70 R/T was flat black.

[Mike DC]

 
Yep.  All '68s and '69s were black. 

But in 1970 they based-down the Charger a little more, and that's when the body-colored tail panels began to be a possibility.  They dropped the Charger standard equipment a notch and they dropped the base price accordingly.  It even had a possible front bench seat for the first time.

 

[bull]

IMO, the correct black looks the best.
Not to hijack, but '68-'69 tails were black? Were all '70's body color?

I think the base model 70 was body color and the 70 R/T was flat black.

I believe all the '70 tail panels were painted body color but the R/Ts and 500s had one of those add-on panels made of (I think) fiberglass.

[bull]

Ok, now I'm a little screwed up after seeing the pictures. What area gets the flat/satin black? How do you determine the border?

Bull, the moldings on a 68 tail panel are the break point for the flat (satin) black. you need to take them the moldings ,have then set in place and used as a guide to mask it, remove them , finish masking , then spray it

Also don't be too hard on them for painting it gloss it should be painted with body color first anyway for better corrosion resistance. 

And one more thing, That red 68 up a few has its tail panel painted completely wrong . only 69 tail panels are painted all the way down like that!

These aren't great pics but I'm not a photographer 

Apparently the flat black stops at the top edge (lip) of the tail, right? It doesn't look like I need to take him the top piece of trim in other words.

[Back N Black]

Correct Bull, the painter will mask it off along the holes where the trim mounts to the car. The painter did the same with my car, painted it gloss black but all he had to do was use a flattening agent to get it to look right, I'm no body man but it was no big deal to the painter.   

[Mopar2Ya]

Any good body shop/paint store can add flatner & "adjust" the gloss level to whatever shine you want. I'd get a little extra for any touch up w/the custom mix.

I believe all the '70 tail panels were painted body color but the R/Ts and 500s had one of those add-on panels made of (I think) fiberglass.

I've always thought '70's tail was body color. The tail molding/panel is metal, aluminum I think. It also has some flat/satin black applied to it.

[bull]

Maybe it is aluminum. I'm not well-versed on the '70 other than the base model. I owned a base model '70 for 10 years before I saw another street-worthy Charger therefore I didn't know Chargers had bucket seats and consoles until I saw the inside of a '68 5 years after I bought mine.

[Charger-Bodie]

Maybe it is aluminum. I'm not well-versed on the '70 other than the base model. I owned a base model '70 for 10 years before I saw another street-worthy Charger. I also didn't know Chargers had bucket seats and consoles until I saw the inside of a '68 5 years after I bought my '70.

70 t/panel trim is definitely aluminum.   with the tail panel itself painted body color 

[1969chargerrtse]

Correct Bull, the painter will mask it off along the holes where the trim mounts to the car. The painter did the same with my car, painted it gloss black but all he had to do was use a flattening agent to get it to look right, I'm no body man but it was no big deal to the painter.   

Not looking to cause trouble here, but it's bull, not Bull. ( as this was pointed out to me.) 

[Back N Black]

Correct Bull, the painter will mask it off along the holes where the trim mounts to the car. The painter did the same with my car, painted it gloss black but all he had to do was use a flattening agent to get it to look right, I'm no body man but it was no big deal to the painter.   

Not looking to cause trouble here, but it's bull, not Bull. ( as this was pointed out to me.) 

OK I'll slap myself.