GM vs Mopar Crate Engines

[Rolling_Thunder]

The purpose of this is to illustrate the difference between a Mopar and a GM crate engine - I have ordered a 500 wedge before and recently purchased a crate 502 for a project at the shop - I was amazed at the differenced between the "bang for the buck" factor

Mopar: Crate 500" Wedge
Horsepower: 505
Torque: 590
Block: Iron
Heads: Iron
Compression: 9:1
Induction: Single Plane intake
Price: $9,437.00
Warranty: None
NOTES: Complete long block with no accessories or carb. Stamped steel rocker arms and a cam that will not operate power brakes


GM: Crate 502" Big Block
Horsepower: 540
Torque: 569
Block: Iron
Heads: Aluminum
Compression: 9.6:1
Induction: Complete Edelbrock Pro Flo EFI system
Price: $9,915.00
Warranty: 3 year / 36,000 miles
NOTES: Complete Long block with Edelbrock EFI system including wiring harness, computer, fuel pump, fuel filter, and program module. Engine also came with high torque mini-starter and bolts, distributor, spark plug wires, spark plugs, harmonic balancer, flywheel, roller rocker arms


So my question is people -  why does Mopar have their head up their asses when concerning crate engines ?

[Charged]

Theyve had their head up their ass for a long time. Just look at what they done to the Avenger...and the Charger, since 1975. Im surprised to find Ford is dead in the ground in short time instead of Mopar. Well...who am I to challenge a marketing team for a multibillion dollar company?

[Ghoste]

Oh, I don't know, the guy they're trying to market to?

[Mike DC]

How about the fact that GM is still using the bb Chevy motor in assembly-line vehicles whereas Mopar's crate motors are custom-tooled just for the hot rod market?  And the fact that the Mopar hot-rod market is a fraction of the size of the Chevy market? 

Same reasons that we can get more reproduction B/E-body parts than C-body stuff.

   

[RallyeMike]

Maybe it's we who have our heads up our asses and we should all buy Chevy's ?.

[pettyfan43]

Maybe it's we who have our heads up our asses and we should all buy Chevy's ?.

NAH that would be silly, Chevys are like belly buttons, everybody has one!

[mopar-or-no-car]

NAH that would be silly, Chevys are like belly buttons, everybody has one!

AMEN!! and a MOPAR stands out in the crowd!!   
PLUS you can hear one a commin!!   

[Rolling_Thunder]

My point was merely to show the huge difference in pricing...     Even look at the LS1 and 5.7 Hemi prices...         plus I hate to say it but the LS1 is a better motor...     more power with fewer mods in most cases

[AKcharger]

I'm actually suprised that we haven't seen more Chevy engines in MOPAR bodies...it's coming

[70charginglizard]

No one ever said that retoring a mopar was cheap or easy.

If it was. Everyone would be doing it and everyone would have one.... kinda like a chevy.

I agree it sucks but what else can you do other than rebuilding an original. Which aint cheap or easy either. 

[derailed]

To bad Pontiacs are in the same boat as Mopars, maybe even a little more pricey. Im so friggin tempted to drop a Dart or Merlin motor in my 67 Lemans it aint funny. Indian adventures makes a killer aftermarket Pontiac block you can achieve well over 500 cubes with and ive heard great things about the Kauffman and eddy heads. When it comes down to it you cant beat the torque but the price  .

[hemihead]

I say if you want something cheap and slow buy a Chevy and be like everyone else.

[Arthu®]

Well have you thought about that it might be a demand and supply thing? Any way you look at it there are a way more classic chevy's (and even modern ones) out there. That basically means that there is a larger market for these crate engines (neglecting variables such as that the mopar crowd might be more into crate engines than the chevy crowd but let's consider all those factors equal) so if you have a larger market for them and the demand in both the mopar and the chevy market are the same you should be able to produce and sell (important factor) more of them. And we all know that it is cheaper to produce a 1000 pieces of something than 1 due to fixed costs like tooling, etc. I have no proof whatsoever that chevy does sell more crate engines than mopar, but to me this sounds like it might be a reason.

Arthur

[SeattleCharger]

 

[Jon Smith]

I'm pretty certain GM sells way more crate motors
about half of all big money street rods in the UK seem to get a GM crate motor these days, I'm not really all that into brand loyalty (despite having 3 mopars and no chevys or fords) but I'm getting bored of seeing them.
plus all the muscle cars that get them...
I dont think I've even seen one mopar crate motor over here...

the GM ones do look better value, and mopar ones had a bad rep for quality a couple of years back, gotta be hard to turn that round....

[moparstuart]

Maybe it's we who have our heads up our asses and we should all buy Chevy's ?.

sure you all go buy chevy's and leave the mopars to me please  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Charger-Bodie]

I'm actually suprised that we haven't seen more Chevy engines in MOPAR bodies...it's coming

IM not all that biased about vehicles OTHER than muscle mopars ! But That makes me want to 

[Lowprofile]

I say if you want something cheap and slow buy a Chevy and be like everyone else.

Although I understand your brand loyalty, that's kinda arrogant to say, isn't it?

[Ponch ®]

To bad Pontiacs are in the same boat as Mopars, maybe even a little more pricey.

I don't know dude. If you put a Chevy/GM crate motor on a Pontiac, you're at still keeping it "within the family". To us it's no big deal to take a motor out of a Plymouth and drop it into a Dodge, or vice versa.

[mikesbbody]

 

[hemihead]

I say if you want something cheap and slow buy a Chevy and be like everyone else.

Although I understand your brand loyalty, that's kinda arrogant to say, isn't it?

Oh well. I guess truth hurts.
Maybe GM sells more crate engines because they don't last as long as a Mopar Engine .
And a Plymouth and a Dodge engine are the same. They are Corporate engines. It has been that way since the early 60's .

[Lowprofile]

No truth there, Just your beliefs. 

[hemihead]

No truth there, Just your beliefs. 

Then why own a Mopar if GM is sooo much better. Should just sell it and buy a Chevy. 

[derailed]

To bad Pontiacs are in the same boat as Mopars, maybe even a little more pricey.

I don't know dude. If you put a Chevy/GM crate motor on a Pontiac, you're at still keeping it "within the family". To us it's no big deal to take a motor out of a Plymouth and drop it into a Dodge, or vice versa.

Sounds logical but try telling that to a die hard or any Pontiac guy. Pontiac and Cheby are completely different motors. Ive seen some kickass Pontiacs run at the track and its always cool to see one dust off Joe camaro with his big block chevy.

[SeattleCharger]

To bad Pontiacs are in the same boat as Mopars, maybe even a little more pricey.

I don't know dude. If you put a Chevy/GM crate motor on a Pontiac, you're at still keeping it "within the family". To us it's no big deal to take a motor out of a Plymouth and drop it into a Dodge, or vice versa.

Sounds logical but try telling that to a die hard or any Pontiac guy. Pontiac and Cheby are completely different motors. Ive seen some kickass Pontiacs run at the track and its always cool to see one dust off Joe camaro with his big block chevy.

This is a guy I know in w seattle got this early 60's Tempest, 2600 pounds, put a 455 big block built in it, ran like a 10.07 first time out, no nos, wasn't a crate, built himself basically. Before that he kept putting 455's in a big boat car with nitros to get in tens, but kept blowing up the engines, heh,