dont buy a new challenger-my first rant in a long time

[charge-it]

unless you want to bitch for years after that you paid over sticker,i am a new car dealer and have had 15 people call me to sell their ordered ones for 10 grand over.if the market is that f###ed up what do you think someone will pay retail?

my point here guys is dont blame anyone but the consumers for the demand on these,remember when pt cruisers were doing the same thing?now you can get one for invoice minus rebates,so anyone with any common sence will wait a year or so,or pay what the market dictates-and for the record im getting one for the store and sold it for 5000 over msrp to the owners uncle,because that was HIS offer

Thanks for contributing to the problem. You could have been a straight shooter and sold him the car for msrp. so don`t put all the blame on the consumer.

[69_500]

I think you guys aren't reading what Andy is saying. Or at least your not reading all that he is saying, more or less reading what you want to see, and then jumping on to the reply button.

He didn't ask for the mark up, he said that is what he was offered. NOT ASKED FOR. Calling that unethical is like saying that when you put an item on ebay with a starting bid of $5.00 and someone bids the item up to $20,000 that you should cancel that and sell it to the person who started the bidding at $5.00

Its a business. If someone offers you $5,000 for an item you just walked out of Walmart with that you paid $150 for, would you sell it? You bet you would, in a heart beat. Does that equal going into the store and buying an item for $150 and then going out to the parking lot and asking someone if they want it for $5,000? NOT at all, two totally different things. One is an offer, other is asking. End result is the same yes, but it is the way you get to that point that makes one different than the other.

[Shakey]

I think it is fantastic that we have the one and only honest and ethical Dodge dealer in all of North America as a member!

[TK73]

Yeah, paying above market happens in the real estate industry also, but they don't have the polished reputation such as car salesman.   

99% of car salesmen give the rest a bad reputation...

[Ghoste]

Actually Andy also said that people have been calling him to offer to sell their orders to him for over list so that he could in turn flip them to someone else so the customers are no better in this.  I sold cars through much of the 80's and we had a saying that went, "buyers are liars".  Both sides of the sales desk are doing their best to rip the other party off.
If we want to blame anyone, it should be Ford.  Back in the depression, the way ole Hank kept his company afloat was to just send cars to the dealers.  Instead of waiting for the orders to come in, he just sent them the cars and it was their problem on how to get rid of them.  It began a legacy of dealer tricks that continues to this day.

[skip68]

I think it is fantastic that we have the one and only honest and ethical Dodge dealer in all of North America as a member!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would hope to think Andy is better than most of them, but I've never met him in person to know.  I know,  we can ask him if he's honest.      Sorry Andy & Shakey,  I can't help myself.           Chuck.....

[andy74]

actually i am the sales manager,the one more of the general public likes to hate,kind of like the guy in wizard of oz behind the curtain!

my whole point in this thread is that market supply and demand controls every transaction,if any one here or anywhere else tells me that they would turn down a profit of any kind for a product that they represent then they are full of shit, like i said,i am supposed to work backwards to a minimum deal when a consumer offers me less then what we can sell a car for,so now i get OFFERS for over sticker and i am supposed to feel bad?

[skip68]

   market supply and demand controls every transaction,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like I said earlier in my other post, supply and demand comes to my mind when I see huge mark ups.  Now,  If they made 300k or more you would see the numbers come down.  You never know, these cars may end up with a bunch of issues and/or recalls.  I remember the Honda RC51 and the market was nuts. People would put money down on them before the bike was even out just like the Challenger.  The dealers didn't know what the price was going to be but they took money down. I saw prices in the 20s for a bike that was worth $12-$13k.    Within a year After the bikes came out they were selling at regular prices.    Let the smart rich people pave the way for the poor and dumb .          Chuck...........           

[Shakey]

   market supply and demand controls every transaction,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like I said earlier in my other post, supply and demand comes to my mind when I see huge mark ups.  Now,  If they made 300k or more you would see the numbers come down.  You never know, these cars may end up with a bunch of issues and/or recalls.  I remember the Honda RC51 and the market was nuts. People would put money down on them before the bike was even out just like the Challenger.  The dealers didn't know what the price was going to be but they took money down. I saw prices in the 20s for a bike that was worth $12-$13k.    Within a year After the bikes came out they were selling at regular prices.    Let the foolish rich people pave the way for the poor.        Chuck...........           

foolish rich people pave the way for the poor

You forgot to insert "smarter" when referring to the poor folks as they must be smarter if they have less disposable income.

[Ghoste]

While I can see where paying more than the requested price for something just because I can could easily be seen as foolish, I can't make the implied connection that not having excessive disposable income equates to not being smart.  There are a lot of unemployed PHD's out there.

[charge-it]

actually i am the sales manager,the one more of the general public likes to hate,kind of like the guy in wizard of oz behind the curtain!

my whole point in this thread is that market supply and demand controls every transaction,if any one here or anywhere else tells me that they would turn down a profit of any kind for a product that they represent then they are full of shit, like i said,i am supposed to work backwards to a minimum deal when a consumer offers me less then what we can sell a car for,so now i get OFFERS for over sticker and i am supposed to feel bad?

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

[hemihead]

Where does profit end and just plain old fashioned GREED begin ? When these things do come back to sticker price, you will hear people complain about how much money Dodge made off them . But Dodge isn't making all the profit on them . It's not even the Salesman making the money . It's the greedy Dealership owner who can't seem to fill his deep pockets.

[andy74]

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

spoken like a true jack ass, a lot of people on this board have met me,and know that i have a little bit of a temper but am a pretty good guy in general-you my friend seem like a jerk,to make a statement about me or anyone because of their profesion?i would normaly tellyou to f### off,but out of respect to our mods i wont,most of whom i have also met at one time or another,

i for one dont like most lawyers,but i wouldnt call them all theives and crooks like you just did,and for the record what do you do for a living?

[skip68]

Damage control:   ok 1st,  Andy hang in there buddy.        2nd,  Shakey, I fixed my statement.  Let the smart rich people pave the way for the poor and dumb.  3rd,  It was a "foolish" statement from a poor and dumb guy.  4th, Andy, I apologize for being a smartass in this topic.  I'm just having some fun.   5th,  I suppose if I wanted one bad enough and I have a good season collecting cans    I would pay what I had to just to get one.    And now I'm spent.   Chuck...............

[TK73]

Where does profit end and just plain old fashioned GREED begin ?

MSRP

[TK73]

OOO  OOO  MR KOTTER, MR KOTTER.  I have a question...

Where did this "buyers are liars" saying come from for car salespeoples?? 

A chick friend of mine used to sell cars and told me that.  Is that some kind of psychological "projection" of a fault in oneself onto others??  Really if any party is at fault for starting the lying process... 

The WORST part of my last experience TRYING to buy a car (August '07) wasn't the salesdude. The salesdude was REALLY cool and I was ready to sign on the line!!  Then the "sales manager" tries to F^@# me on my trade-in.  Walked... "manager" lost a good sale for the salesdude.

[FastbackJon]

When I was down at the dealership last week, they told me that they were supposed to get 2 of the new Challengers.

The owner is keeping the 1st one for herself.

And the 2nd one is gonna be sold in a silent auction.

Same exact thing happening at my local dodge dealer, except you get to pay $50 to be part of the auction for the 2nd car, but they said the profit will go to a charity.

[TK73]

but they said the profit will go to a charity.

OH, how nice of them. The tooth fairy and easter bunny getting a cut??

[derailed]

 

[68charger383]

Like the Shelby, it is already hitting ebay. The first of many to come. Bidding is up to $61K which is $20K over MSRP

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-DODGE-CHALLENGER-ORANGE-BRAND-NEW-WITH-NAV-NR_W0QQitemZ250201911933QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[TK73]

but they said the profit will go to a charity.

OH, how nice of them. The tooth fairy and easter bunny getting a cut??

Hey Jon, just reread my last post... wasn't slammin ya man, just the dealer   

[andy74]

skip68, no offense taken :cheers:i actually like people who are smart asses! i was actually directing my remark at the newbie"chargeit"

and if any of you guys ever want or need car advice,just ask-i have helped out some of the guys here and on moparts when i can,and even sold big als daughter a jeep compass  

[Brock Samson]

Great thread Andy,..

how do you feel about and what do you hear about the Mexican made Cherrys comming to your dealership soon?..





http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1288

[TheGhost]

I don't have to worry about the markups.  I can't afford a new car.

I do hope to pick up a used V6 Challenger in 5 years, though.

[charge-it]

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

spoken like a true jack ass, a lot of people on this board have met me,and know that i have a little bit of a temper but am a pretty good guy in general-you my friend seem like a jerk,to make a statement about me or anyone because of their profesion?i would normaly tellyou to f### off,but out of respect to our mods i wont,most of whom i have also met at one time or another,

i for one dont like most lawyers,but i wouldnt call them all theives and crooks like you just did,and for the record what do you do for a living?

With an attitude and temper like you have shown here I wouldn`t spend one cent at your dealership or send anyone there to get verbally abused like you just did to me. I didn`t direct my opinion to you directly if you would have taken the time to read my post instead of maybe feeling guilty yourself when reading my comments. I stand by what I said, I have "friends" on the inside and know how it works and none of this was directed towards you personally. I`m a refrigeration technician and pipefitter by trade with over 25 years expirience. I also have a small Mopar restoration parts business that I`ve been running for 7+ years and if I talked to you like you just talked to me I would have been out of business a long time ago. Maybe you need to attend a management class on how to treat people...I can imagine how you treat your sales people if they don`t meet "the quota" Good Luck! Done...