dont buy a new challenger-my first rant in a long time

[andy74]

unless you want to bitch for years after that you paid over sticker,i am a new car dealer and have had 15 people call me to sell their ordered ones for 10 grand over.if the market is that f###ed up what do you think someone will pay retail?

my point here guys is dont blame anyone but the consumers for the demand on these,remember when pt cruisers were doing the same thing?now you can get one for invoice minus rebates,so anyone with any common sence will wait a year or so,or pay what the market dictates-and for the record im getting one for the store and sold it for 5000 over msrp to the owners uncle,because that was HIS offer

[Shakey]

Thanks for the heads up!

[hemihead]

The most funny thing of all is these guys are paying WAY over sticker and drooling over a Creeder    The same car that everyone here despises . You can dress up a retard in a Tux but they are still a retard. 

[Old Moparz]

unless you want to bitch for years after that you paid over sticker,i am a new car dealer and have had 15 people call me to sell their ordered ones for 10 grand over.if the market is that f###ed up what do you think someone will pay retail?

my point here guys is dont blame anyone but the consumers for the demand on these,remember when pt cruisers were doing the same thing?now you can get one for invoice minus rebates,so anyone with any common sence will wait a year or so,or pay what the market dictates-and for the record im getting one for the store and sold it for 5000 over msrp to the owners uncle,because that was HIS offer

You'll be blamed for all the consumer stupidity anyway, so you'll have to deal with it.   

I know exactly what you mean & don't hold the dealer fully responsible, but you do have to remember that a lot of dealerships don't have any problem with putting a second window sticker on a car with what they call "Market Value Surcharge". The sticker that has their own letterhead, with their own new price. The way I see it, is that the new sticker was taped to the window by the dealership, not the dopey customer with extra money to burn. That tells me that the dealership is just testing the market to see how much profit they can make, & that they can sleep well at night doing it. You know damn well anyone who's sold something to a sucker for more than what it's worth, wants to sit down & have a drink with others to laugh about it.

[skip68]

Dealers have room to move if they want but they usually don't have to because if you don't buy it someone else will.  Good job on giving the heads up Andy.    Even a used car like this a dealer won't have to worry about moving before the 60-90 day flooring line runs out.  I would imagine even at auction these cars will be going for 2k-3k over book on average, maybe even more.  I don't think there will be any smoking deals on these cars for at least 2 years.  I'll find out what they bring at auction when a repo goes through later on.   Chuck........

[derailed]

good point, I have a friend that not only did that with the tp cruiser when they came out, afterwards he had to have the chevy SSR and is now so far upside down on it with the $25k balloon payment plan he would be better turning it back into the dealer and then repurchasing it used for what the thing is worth.

[NMike]

in 98 when the beetle came out, people were paying $7000 more for it over sticker, then selling it for the same price but in the US . the canadian dollar was at .70 at the time

[Ghoste]

We have free market economics and knucklehead economics.  You can draw your own conclusions where to place overpaying for anything from Hannah Montana tickets to Sony Playstations to Dodge Challengers (of any vintage  ).

[leeandgrant]

We were on a list to get a 2008 Challenger, but when we started to see the huge mark up we are going to wait a couple of years like andy says. bought a 2008 dodge caliber. Half the number of cylinders and 2.5 times the gas mileage. No friggin power though.

[Charger_Fan]

I've always fully expected the first year or two of Challys to have higher markups on them, it's just the nature of the beast...no matter how rediculous it is. If & when I get one, it will be a clean used one that someone is selling cheap because they can't afford it.

[mikesbbody]

even if i had the $ for a 2008 challenger (i dont) i would wait for the price to drop. I think for some guy's its all about getting the cars first money is not a issue for some people they just want things now.

[Silver R/T]

Ill wait 3-5 years and buy it for 10K under the MSRP price

[Chatt69chgr]

I'am with Silver R/T.  I will just wait until one can buy one at a reasonable price.  Reasonable for a new one is a few percent over wholesale-------with no ADP tacked on. 

[keepat]

I have one coming at MSRP NO mark-up there are still some good and ethical dealers out there!
Pat

[68charger383]

Once they received the 12/3/07 orders, didn't they almost doubled the original 2008 production numbers on the car.

The 2008s are being made in April with a May delivery and then the 2009s will start to being made and delivered in July 2008. Production is not stopping, just at some point they'll be changing the year they call the car! So the $10K/$15K mark up is for the bragging rights on saying you have the 2008 since 2009 production is estimated to be around 35,000 cars.

Real good article on the car
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

The always-reliable oh20 reported that the LC series Challenger would start production in April 2008 with the SRT8 and 6.1 liter engine. The 2009 Challenger, to be built starting in July 2008, will include a 3.5 liter SXT with the 3.5 liter engine and four-speed automatic, R/T with the second-generation 5.7 Hemi, and the SRT-8. The 2010, to start production in July 2009 - with convertibles starting in early 2009 - will be similar but with SXT and R/T convertibles, and possibly a new 6.4 liter High Output SRT8 option. Finally, the 2011 Challenger will include the 4.0 liter Phoenix engine instead of the 3.5 liter.

[1969chargerrtse]

Ill wait 3-5 years and buy it for 10K under the MSRP price

And by then it'll have neat things like Shaker hood, bill board stripes, big ass motor, and go really fast.   Can't think of a single car that first year styling was better than the following years. Good move.

[keepat]

Ill wait 3-5 years and buy it for 10K under the MSRP price

And by then it'll have neat things like Shaker hood, bill board stripes, big ass motor, and go really fast.   Can't think of a single car that first year styling was better than the following years. Good move.

Howbout 1970 Challenger

[hemihead]

Ill wait 3-5 years and buy it for 10K under the MSRP price

And by then it'll have neat things like Shaker hood, bill board stripes, big ass motor, and go really fast.   Can't think of a single car that first year styling was better than the following years. Good move.

Howbout 1970 Challenger

In my option the 72 was the cleanest looking year and they finally started to build them with some quality. The first 2 years were really horrible built cars.

[andy74]

I have one coming at MSRP NO mark-up there are still some good and ethical dealers out there!
Pat

this is my point,i am not unethical because i make a profit,what i am supposed to do when every one who comes in to look at a ram truck and offers me 1000 below invoice,sell it right?so for once there is a car that we can sell at sticker or over and every one bitches!i feel i run a good store,we sell over 1500 ford mercury dodge chrysler jeep and used a year,and honestly dont care to sell the shelby mustang or challenger right now because of the bull shit headaches involoved,give me 4 used 07 grand caravans for the money instead,ill sell them and make 500 a piece and get 20 referals at the same time!

[RD]

I have one coming at MSRP NO mark-up there are still some good and ethical dealers out there!
Pat

this is my point,i am not unethical because i make a profit,what i am supposed to do when every one who comes in to look at a ram truck and offers me 1000 below invoice,sell it right?so for once there is a car that we can sell at sticker or over and every one bitches!i feel i run a good store,we sell over 1500 ford mercury dodge chrysler jeep and used a year,and honestly dont care to sell the shelby mustang or challenger right now because of the bull shit headaches involoved,give me 4 used 07 grand caravans for the money instead,ill sell them and make 500 a piece and get 20 referals at the same time!

andy...  the only thing that I am sad about in this whole affair is that I dont live closer to you so you can be my dealer, thanks for your perspective.

[Ghoste]

But is it unethical if dealers begin telling people that the cars will only be sold to the highest bidders above msrp several months before it's even confirmed the cars will be built?

Personally I don't think it is, the greediness pisses me off but I don't think I can go as far as calling it unethical.

[BrianShaughnessy]

Wasn't planning on buying one anyway.     The 6 speeds manuals don't come out for awhile and it'd just be a weekend car that isn't practical with gas prices to commute 60+ miles a day like I do.

[71ChallengeHer]

When I was down at the dealership last week , to get my car inspected. The parts manager told me that they were suppose to get 2 of the new Challengers. The owner is keeping the 1st one for herself. She is gonna put it away in a building with her collection. And the 2nd one is gonna be sold in a silent auction. I might be able to afford one in about 10 yrs.

[1FastCharger]

I always thought the first year of a new model would have the most problems. I would wait a year or two until they get all the bugs worked out. As long as Chrysler is still around in two years. Maybe the ones paying 10K over sticker just want to get one before Chrysler goes belly up.

[skip68]

  ETHICS and car salesmen for the most part have nothing in common.   Any of you out there that are in auto sales know exactly what I'm talking about.   I hope you are one of the few Andy that are most honest.  I've been going to dealer auctions for several years and dealing with dealers and it's sad to say that I've only met a very, very, very small handfull that I would consider 99% honest.  Most people think that a used car at a new dealer was a trade-in.  The reason for that is that's what they tell you.  Some are, but allot of them come from auctions or other dealers. This doesn't mean that you are getting a bad deal or car but, the nice shiny used Challenger you buy may have been a rental.    And everyone here knows how nice people are to performance rental cars.    Used cars are good money for new car dealers.  Just ask for a history report on the car before you buy and don't let the dealiar sell you a rental unless you get a smoking deal on it.  Far as this car having a huge markup, supply and demand comes to my mind and I think the dealers are in-titled to enjoying this cash cow. I still think it sucks as a consumer but If I had a limited supply of a hot item I'd get what I can for it and they are too and I don't see anything wrong with it.   Chuck...............

[charge-it]

unless you want to bitch for years after that you paid over sticker,i am a new car dealer and have had 15 people call me to sell their ordered ones for 10 grand over.if the market is that f###ed up what do you think someone will pay retail?

my point here guys is dont blame anyone but the consumers for the demand on these,remember when pt cruisers were doing the same thing?now you can get one for invoice minus rebates,so anyone with any common sence will wait a year or so,or pay what the market dictates-and for the record im getting one for the store and sold it for 5000 over msrp to the owners uncle,because that was HIS offer

Thanks for contributing to the problem. You could have been a straight shooter and sold him the car for msrp. so don`t put all the blame on the consumer.

[69_500]

I think you guys aren't reading what Andy is saying. Or at least your not reading all that he is saying, more or less reading what you want to see, and then jumping on to the reply button.

He didn't ask for the mark up, he said that is what he was offered. NOT ASKED FOR. Calling that unethical is like saying that when you put an item on ebay with a starting bid of $5.00 and someone bids the item up to $20,000 that you should cancel that and sell it to the person who started the bidding at $5.00

Its a business. If someone offers you $5,000 for an item you just walked out of Walmart with that you paid $150 for, would you sell it? You bet you would, in a heart beat. Does that equal going into the store and buying an item for $150 and then going out to the parking lot and asking someone if they want it for $5,000? NOT at all, two totally different things. One is an offer, other is asking. End result is the same yes, but it is the way you get to that point that makes one different than the other.

[Shakey]

I think it is fantastic that we have the one and only honest and ethical Dodge dealer in all of North America as a member!

[TK73]

Yeah, paying above market happens in the real estate industry also, but they don't have the polished reputation such as car salesman.   

99% of car salesmen give the rest a bad reputation...

[Ghoste]

Actually Andy also said that people have been calling him to offer to sell their orders to him for over list so that he could in turn flip them to someone else so the customers are no better in this.  I sold cars through much of the 80's and we had a saying that went, "buyers are liars".  Both sides of the sales desk are doing their best to rip the other party off.
If we want to blame anyone, it should be Ford.  Back in the depression, the way ole Hank kept his company afloat was to just send cars to the dealers.  Instead of waiting for the orders to come in, he just sent them the cars and it was their problem on how to get rid of them.  It began a legacy of dealer tricks that continues to this day.

[skip68]

I think it is fantastic that we have the one and only honest and ethical Dodge dealer in all of North America as a member!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would hope to think Andy is better than most of them, but I've never met him in person to know.  I know,  we can ask him if he's honest.      Sorry Andy & Shakey,  I can't help myself.           Chuck.....

[andy74]

actually i am the sales manager,the one more of the general public likes to hate,kind of like the guy in wizard of oz behind the curtain!

my whole point in this thread is that market supply and demand controls every transaction,if any one here or anywhere else tells me that they would turn down a profit of any kind for a product that they represent then they are full of shit, like i said,i am supposed to work backwards to a minimum deal when a consumer offers me less then what we can sell a car for,so now i get OFFERS for over sticker and i am supposed to feel bad?

[skip68]

   market supply and demand controls every transaction,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like I said earlier in my other post, supply and demand comes to my mind when I see huge mark ups.  Now,  If they made 300k or more you would see the numbers come down.  You never know, these cars may end up with a bunch of issues and/or recalls.  I remember the Honda RC51 and the market was nuts. People would put money down on them before the bike was even out just like the Challenger.  The dealers didn't know what the price was going to be but they took money down. I saw prices in the 20s for a bike that was worth $12-$13k.    Within a year After the bikes came out they were selling at regular prices.    Let the smart rich people pave the way for the poor and dumb .          Chuck...........           

[Shakey]

   market supply and demand controls every transaction,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like I said earlier in my other post, supply and demand comes to my mind when I see huge mark ups.  Now,  If they made 300k or more you would see the numbers come down.  You never know, these cars may end up with a bunch of issues and/or recalls.  I remember the Honda RC51 and the market was nuts. People would put money down on them before the bike was even out just like the Challenger.  The dealers didn't know what the price was going to be but they took money down. I saw prices in the 20s for a bike that was worth $12-$13k.    Within a year After the bikes came out they were selling at regular prices.    Let the foolish rich people pave the way for the poor.        Chuck...........           

foolish rich people pave the way for the poor

You forgot to insert "smarter" when referring to the poor folks as they must be smarter if they have less disposable income.

[Ghoste]

While I can see where paying more than the requested price for something just because I can could easily be seen as foolish, I can't make the implied connection that not having excessive disposable income equates to not being smart.  There are a lot of unemployed PHD's out there.

[charge-it]

actually i am the sales manager,the one more of the general public likes to hate,kind of like the guy in wizard of oz behind the curtain!

my whole point in this thread is that market supply and demand controls every transaction,if any one here or anywhere else tells me that they would turn down a profit of any kind for a product that they represent then they are full of shit, like i said,i am supposed to work backwards to a minimum deal when a consumer offers me less then what we can sell a car for,so now i get OFFERS for over sticker and i am supposed to feel bad?

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

[hemihead]

Where does profit end and just plain old fashioned GREED begin ? When these things do come back to sticker price, you will hear people complain about how much money Dodge made off them . But Dodge isn't making all the profit on them . It's not even the Salesman making the money . It's the greedy Dealership owner who can't seem to fill his deep pockets.

[andy74]

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

spoken like a true jack ass, a lot of people on this board have met me,and know that i have a little bit of a temper but am a pretty good guy in general-you my friend seem like a jerk,to make a statement about me or anyone because of their profesion?i would normaly tellyou to f### off,but out of respect to our mods i wont,most of whom i have also met at one time or another,

i for one dont like most lawyers,but i wouldnt call them all theives and crooks like you just did,and for the record what do you do for a living?

[skip68]

Damage control:   ok 1st,  Andy hang in there buddy.        2nd,  Shakey, I fixed my statement.  Let the smart rich people pave the way for the poor and dumb.  3rd,  It was a "foolish" statement from a poor and dumb guy.  4th, Andy, I apologize for being a smartass in this topic.  I'm just having some fun.   5th,  I suppose if I wanted one bad enough and I have a good season collecting cans    I would pay what I had to just to get one.    And now I'm spent.   Chuck...............

[TK73]

Where does profit end and just plain old fashioned GREED begin ?

MSRP

[TK73]

OOO  OOO  MR KOTTER, MR KOTTER.  I have a question...

Where did this "buyers are liars" saying come from for car salespeoples?? 

A chick friend of mine used to sell cars and told me that.  Is that some kind of psychological "projection" of a fault in oneself onto others??  Really if any party is at fault for starting the lying process... 

The WORST part of my last experience TRYING to buy a car (August '07) wasn't the salesdude. The salesdude was REALLY cool and I was ready to sign on the line!!  Then the "sales manager" tries to F^@# me on my trade-in.  Walked... "manager" lost a good sale for the salesdude.

[FastbackJon]

When I was down at the dealership last week, they told me that they were supposed to get 2 of the new Challengers.

The owner is keeping the 1st one for herself.

And the 2nd one is gonna be sold in a silent auction.

Same exact thing happening at my local dodge dealer, except you get to pay $50 to be part of the auction for the 2nd car, but they said the profit will go to a charity.

[TK73]

but they said the profit will go to a charity.

OH, how nice of them. The tooth fairy and easter bunny getting a cut??

[derailed]

 

[68charger383]

Like the Shelby, it is already hitting ebay. The first of many to come. Bidding is up to $61K which is $20K over MSRP

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-DODGE-CHALLENGER-ORANGE-BRAND-NEW-WITH-NAV-NR_W0QQitemZ250201911933QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[TK73]

but they said the profit will go to a charity.

OH, how nice of them. The tooth fairy and easter bunny getting a cut??

Hey Jon, just reread my last post... wasn't slammin ya man, just the dealer   

[andy74]

skip68, no offense taken :cheers:i actually like people who are smart asses! i was actually directing my remark at the newbie"chargeit"

and if any of you guys ever want or need car advice,just ask-i have helped out some of the guys here and on moparts when i can,and even sold big als daughter a jeep compass  

[Brock Samson]

Great thread Andy,..

how do you feel about and what do you hear about the Mexican made Cherrys comming to your dealership soon?..





http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1288

[TheGhost]

I don't have to worry about the markups.  I can't afford a new car.

I do hope to pick up a used V6 Challenger in 5 years, though.

[charge-it]

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

spoken like a true jack ass, a lot of people on this board have met me,and know that i have a little bit of a temper but am a pretty good guy in general-you my friend seem like a jerk,to make a statement about me or anyone because of their profesion?i would normaly tellyou to f### off,but out of respect to our mods i wont,most of whom i have also met at one time or another,

i for one dont like most lawyers,but i wouldnt call them all theives and crooks like you just did,and for the record what do you do for a living?

With an attitude and temper like you have shown here I wouldn`t spend one cent at your dealership or send anyone there to get verbally abused like you just did to me. I didn`t direct my opinion to you directly if you would have taken the time to read my post instead of maybe feeling guilty yourself when reading my comments. I stand by what I said, I have "friends" on the inside and know how it works and none of this was directed towards you personally. I`m a refrigeration technician and pipefitter by trade with over 25 years expirience. I also have a small Mopar restoration parts business that I`ve been running for 7+ years and if I talked to you like you just talked to me I would have been out of business a long time ago. Maybe you need to attend a management class on how to treat people...I can imagine how you treat your sales people if they don`t meet "the quota" Good Luck! Done...

[TheGhost]

AAAH I get it now. I also call those guys the high and mighty. They usually sit in a high back chair that sits higher than the low life salesman so he can look down at them LOL. A professional liar so to speak. No offense towards you but I could not tell the lies and B.S.that all car sales people do and hold a straight face or be able to sleep at night. I know the game, I`ve also got people on the inside who`ve told me "how it works..." And to answer your question, one word, YES!

spoken like a true jack ass, a lot of people on this board have met me,and know that i have a little bit of a temper but am a pretty good guy in general-you my friend seem like a jerk,to make a statement about me or anyone because of their profesion?i would normaly tellyou to f### off,but out of respect to our mods i wont,most of whom i have also met at one time or another,

i for one dont like most lawyers,but i wouldnt call them all theives and crooks like you just did,and for the record what do you do for a living?

With an attitude and temper like you have shown here I wouldn`t spend one cent at your dealership or send anyone there to get verbally abused like you just did to me. I didn`t direct my opinion to you directly if you would have taken the time to read my post instead of maybe feeling guilty yourself when reading my comments. I stand by what I said, I have "friends" on the inside and know how it works and none of this was directed towards you personally. I`m a refrigeration technician and pipefitter by trade with over 25 years expirience. I also have a small Mopar restoration parts business that I`ve been running for 7+ years and if I talked to you like you just talked to me I would have been out of business a long time ago. Maybe you need to attend a management class on how to treat people...I can imagine how you treat your sales people if they don`t meet "the quota" Good Luck! Done...

Actually, Charge-it, from what I just read, you are the one who threw the first insult.

[Khyron]

skip68, no offense taken :cheers:i actually like people who are smart asses! i was actually directing my remark at the newbie"chargeit"

and if any of you guys ever want or need car advice,just ask-i have helped out some of the guys here and on moparts when i can,and even sold big als daughter a jeep compass  

My next car, I'll take the drive. I trust ya bro. Who cares what a noob who doesn't know protocol on this board thinks 

[Brock Samson]

who's protocol?.. 

[Ghoste]

And what noob?

[BronzeOnSteelies]

A lot of good reasons, I have another one.


I would not buy a first model year car again. Did it in 1987 on a Pontiac Bonneville. Had to be one of the worst paint jobs ever. Rusted around the hardware and trim mounting points.

I can still tell one when I see it because the lower part of the doors are rusted out. It started at the metal clips holding the side dent bumpers on.
A couple years later problem was solved.

You got to wait and let them work the bugs out.         

[69_500]

Well I think that the verbal abuse started on page one of this thread with some comment about "Thanks for contributing to the problem" and continued from there.

I'm not taking anyones side as I've never met eithero ne of you. I can say that I've read several of Andy's post though and see that he does treat people well on here that questions about newer cars. Just because there are a few bad apples in his field of work doesn't mean the whole bushel of them aren't good.

And believe me I know several piepfiters as well. Not all of them are the most honest and straight forward people either. Does that make them all bad? NO.

Just because one man name Hitler went off an tried to conquer the world does that make all Germans bad? No. You can't judge everyone just because of how one other person who happens to share the same profession/heritage/religion/or anything else.

[FastbackJon]

but they said the profit will go to a charity.

OH, how nice of them. The tooth fairy and easter bunny getting a cut??

Hey Jon, just reread my last post... wasn't slammin ya man, just the dealer   

Yeah, I understood that, no problemo.

[FastbackJon]

I would not buy a first model year car again.

You got to wait and let them work the bugs out.         

Can you really call it a first year car though if it is based on the Charger/Magnum/300 that have been around since 2005?

[hemihead]

I would not buy a first model year car again.

You got to wait and let them work the bugs out.         

Can you really call it a first year car though if it is based on the Charger/Magnum/300 that have been around since 2005?

Like I said elsewhere , You can put a retard in a Tux but they are still a retard. ( I hope I didn't offend anyone . I'm not PC )

[Shakey]

I would not buy a first model year car again.

You got to wait and let them work the bugs out.         

Can you really call it a first year car though if it is based on the Charger/Magnum/300 that have been around since 2005?

Like I said elsewhere , You can put a retard in a Tux but they are still a retard. ( I hope I didn't offend anyone . I'm not PC )

And you're calling people retards!



BTW - I hope I didn't offend you . I'm not PC

[andy74]

Some people are retards,im not pc either!

as for charge it,i dont care if we ever meet or not,i have plenty of good customers and i wouldnt want someone like you as one,thanks-and if you thought i was giving you a verbal lashing my friend take it as you will,i dont like to be called a crook by some ass hole ive never met

[alenglish]

and if any of you guys ever want or need car advice,just ask-i have helped out some of the guys here and on moparts when i can,and even sold big als daughter a jeep compass   


Hi Andy  Big  Aj        Bridget  still likes  her jeep......

[bull]

You know greed, markups, ripoffs, etc., would not be an issue if Chrysler would just get off its lazy az$ the first time and make enough friggin' cars to go around.

[andy74]

You know greed, markups, ripoffs, etc., would not be an issue if Chrysler would just get off its lazy az$ the first time and make enough friggin' cars to go around.

I couldnt say it better myself bull

[skip68]

Hey Andy, do you think the reason they only made so many is to see if there would be a market?    That's what I think.    I have the feeling that the Dodge boys can't take loosing more money.      Chuck.......

[andy74]

yes i think they are testing the waters,hopefully they will get production up asap

[kamkuda]

I am happy they priced it where they did, Given the demand, maybe they could have priced it higher?

[Ghoste]

Then again, a higher price could easily kill demand.

[bull]

Hey Andy, do you think the reason they only made so many is to see if there would be a market?    That's what I think.    I have the feeling that the Dodge boys can't take loosing more money.      Chuck.......

Yes. In other words they're being cheap and pessimistic as always. When Chrysler finally does something that makes complete sense (and has made sense all along because Chevy and Ford were already making money at it) they still test the waters with extremely limited runs. They've done this extra cab pickups, convertible PT Cruisers, etc., etc. Why don't they ever open their eyes to what the other companies are doing and have been successful at doing? How long has Ford been selling the hell out of Mustangs, and Chrysler still has to "test the market" with the new Challenger? Oh well. Chrysler could have taken the lead over two years ago and hit one out of the park with the '06 Charger but they instead tried to play it safe and ended up screwing themselves, as usual. Now they're back to playing catch-up to the new Mustang and they still can't get it right. Why is it that every average Joe I meet gets it but Chrysler doesn't?

[MattAShine]

Ill wait 3-5 years and buy it for 10K under the MSRP price

Ditto!