FENDER TAG CSI

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Ok so heres the tag from the scow i just picked up



I decoded some of it. like to hear your input.

[bordin34]

I might see an 8 as the last digit of the bottom one ??8.

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plus bonus mystery meat:



I gingerly took off the primer and there i a big Dodge Log plus 'Chrysler Corporation ' and some unreadable stuff. it all seemed to just be silkscreened onto the aluminum ? tag.

[SFRT]

heres what I get from the tag on thos eonline decoders:

XS29=dodge charger special 2 door hardtop
L9B= 440 375 HP 1 4 BBl 8 cyl (it has this block, but not original to the car)

E86= 440 barrel High Performance ( or, weirdly enough 'roof type or color' ?)

D21= Heavy duty 4 speed Manual Transmission ( its there, a floor shifter and theres a Dana rear end)

Y2= unkown

C6X=unknown

512- built may 12th

C16= 'console with buckets'-it has bucke seats, but no console, it has a floor shifter

C55=bucket seats

M21-drip moldings

M31 'belt molding 69-70

R22- am with 8-track ( its there)

V1X+ black vinyl top ( was there now gone)

Y09=export car ( suppossedly a guy in Hawaii ordered it?)

26= 26 inch radiator (yes)

the color was original some gross yellow..maybe thats the rusted out #'s?

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I installed Air Conditioning



Lol

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I think it needs a wing!



more pics in a couple of weeks after all the new sheetmetal is in....

[hemigeno]

The two codes you're looking to find out are almost certainly:

V1X (as you've already guessed)
A33 TrackPak (3.54 Dana, etc. etc.)

With it being a 440/4-speed car, it would have had either the A33 or A34 axle packages, and the rounded top of the last character gives it away.

Great find!!!




P.S.  Try flipping the tag over and seeing if the backside is any easier to read/decipher...

[Charger_Fan]

plus bonus mystery meat:



I gingerly took off the primer and there i a big Dodge Log plus 'Chrysler Corporation ' and some unreadable stuff. it all seemed to just be silkscreened onto the aluminum ? tag.

That looks like an export tag...meaning your Charger was originally sold out of the USA.
Here's a pic from member TX9Charger's '70 export Charger. They were screwed to the hood latch tray on '70 models.

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it does have 11" brakes and the fatter torsion(sway?) bars on it.  is there a way to find out if the 4 speed and rear are original to the car or replacements?

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yes thats the tag. too bad it got painted over it pretty much destroyed it. I took a look at the other tag in a slanted light and it does look lik A33  I will try to get a better pic of it.

[hemigeno]

That looks like an export tag...meaning your Charger was originally sold out of the USA.
Here's a pic from member TX9Charger's '70 export Charger. They were screwed to the hood latch tray on '70 models.

I haven't studied this issue very much, but I thought a "true" export car would have a S.O. number beginning with "E"?  Somewhat related, didn't Canadian cars' S.O. begin with "B"?

From what I've heard/read, Chrysler would allow any serviceman stationed overseas to order a vehicle;  then Chrysler arranged to ship it to them wherever they were at free of charge.  Could be that this was ordered at a domestic dealership (no "E" in the S.O.) and then tagged for export delivery under that program??     Still an interesting find, no matter what...

[hemigeno]

it does have 11" brakes and the fatter torsion(sway?) bars on it.  is there a way to find out if the 4 speed and rear are original to the car or replacements?

The tag does not look like it called for power brakes or power disc brakes, so the 11" manual drums were standard on an R/T.  The "Hemi" suspension package was standard on every R/T, and it included the heavier torsion bars you've found.

As far as the 4-speed transmission itself, there is a machined pad/boss on the passenger's side of the case which will have some stamped numbers on it.  Those numbers would include at least the last 8 digits of the VIN number, exactly the same as the engine's VIN pad would have on it.  If the VIN stamping doesn't match your car's VIN sequence number, it is not the original transmission.

[moparstuart]

wow a dana ,4 speed , export car,  nice rare score man !

[SFRT]

That looks like an export tag...meaning your Charger was originally sold out of the USA.
Here's a pic from member TX9Charger's '70 export Charger. They were screwed to the hood latch tray on '70 models.

I haven't studied this issue very much, but I thought a "true" export car would have a S.O. number beginning with "E"?  Somewhat related, didn't Canadian cars' S.O. begin with "B"?

From what I've heard/read, Chrysler would allow any serviceman stationed overseas to order a vehicle;  then Chrysler arranged to ship it to them wherever they were at free of charge.  Could be that this was ordered at a domestic dealership (no "E" in the S.O.) and then tagged for export delivery under that program??     Still an interesting find, no matter what...


suppossedley the car was ordered by a serviceman in Hawaii and then ended up in the Pacific Northwest. It came with a tow hitch on it and I think the guy had a boat and the rer end rot was from him backing his boat up into the water with the car.



not much better but it does look like A33

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Hi,

it is definetly an export car due to the code Y09.
But it doesn't look like most of the real export cars for europe for example.
Does it have a Kilometer or miles per hour speedo? I guess the last.

Carsten

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

That looks like an export tag...meaning your Charger was originally sold out of the USA.
Here's a pic from member TX9Charger's '70 export Charger. They were screwed to the hood latch tray on '70 models.

I haven't studied this issue very much, but I thought a "true" export car would have a S.O. number beginning with "E"?  Somewhat related, didn't Canadian cars' S.O. begin with "B"?

From what I've heard/read, Chrysler would allow any serviceman stationed overseas to order a vehicle;  then Chrysler arranged to ship it to them wherever they were at free of charge.  Could be that this was ordered at a domestic dealership (no "E" in the S.O.) and then tagged for export delivery under that program??     Still an interesting find, no matter what...

So far on 69 Charger tags that I have in the registry the only tags with a letter in the VON are the Canadian export tags.  Like Geno stated these start with "B"

The VON on other export cars usually start with a "0" that I have seen so far and would have the Y09 "Built for Export" code.  US destined cars could have the VON start with "0" as well but no Y09 code...
So far Frank, your car is the 12th in the registry with the Y09 export code. (first in Y2 yellow)

To further decode your tag..

Y2 is the code for Yellow for 69 dodges (Plymouth called it Sunfire yellow)
C6X is the code for black vinyl seats
X9 is the code for the upper door frame color (black) to match the black vinyl

E86 is indeed the 440 4 bbl engine code

V88 is tape stripe delete (no R/T stripe just large R/T emblems on the quarters)

[Brock Samson]

a really nice mopar safari, great day, we saw four second Gen. Chargers besides mine and Fred even bagged a R/T 4 speed dana,..
I was suprised the car was orig. yellow, and had been spray bombed primer anti rust black... everywhere -- fire wall, wires, interior, anything and everything was coated in fresh semi gloss,.. Fred neglected to mention it has the rare cloth seats...
sounds like this XPS is gonna be one wild ride once it's reserected... 

[Magnumcharger]

Just wondering...
I know I've pulled a few of those tags off of cars, and sometimes they're so rusty they can't be read - from the front.
I usually flip 'em over, and often you can read the code from the backside....

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the first pic is a back view which I then flipped horizontal in photoshop.

[rav440]

plus bonus mystery meat:


I gingerly took off the primer and there i a big Dodge Log plus 'Chrysler Corporation ' and some unreadable stuff. it all seemed to just be silkscreened onto the aluminum ? tag.

That looks like an export tag...meaning your Charger was originally sold out of the USA.
Here's a pic from member TX9Charger's '70 export Charger. They were screwed to the hood latch tray on '70 models.

was HAWAII . considered an EXPORT ? do you know where they would have put them on a 73 ? there should be one somewhere on my runner .

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I think the deal was it was a military guy stationed over there and so since it was 'out of the lower 48' maybe it counted as the special no shipping cost promo deal? Vietnam era and all. It's the only thing that makes sense the speedo is not KPH.

it is weird for sure.

[Alaskan_TA]

If a car was ordered from overseas by a US service man, it would have been coded as an export car since the ORDER originated overseas.

The service man could name a dealership inside the US (including Hawaii) that he would like the car shipped to on his return stateside.

Most "Export" cars never left the states. 

Barry

[tan top]

awesome find  (SFRT) , what your plans for the car , restore it back to original ? or would love to see more pictures as you progress     .......................

[1969chargerrtse]

4 Speed Dana car, sweet.

[rav440]

If a car was ordered from overseas by a US service man, it would have been coded as an export car since the ORDER originated overseas.

The service man could name a dealership inside the US (including Hawaii) that he would like the car shipped to on his return stateside.

Most "Export" cars never left the states. 

Barry

so all cars sold in HAWAII are not EXPORT cars ? mine was bought new at a dealership in HONOLULU , HI. .

[SFRT]

awesome find  (SFRT) , what your plans for the car , restore it back to original ? or would love to see more pictures as you progress     .......................

I have a long term plan for the car. I am not going to restore it to 'bone stock OEM original'...as I have no desire to spend 100 grand to have a yellow car with a vinyl top. but i do have a plan...

Yesterday I signed a 5 year lease for a private shop space next door to my business space downtown..its 1000 square feet of floor space with a full size modern lift and compressor air tool system, Im going to buy a small blasting booth, install my old parts washer and set up a couple of workstations to deal with fixing little stuff. In my line of work (I make prototypes amonmg other things)) I am experienced with doing 'trim' and working with plastics and paint finishes on detailed parts so Im going to handle all the nitpicky stuff myself and do my own 'finish bodywork. My workspace is in the SOMA auto repair zone so I am literally surrounded by dozens of welding shops, body shops and mechanics, of which i know many...so as I go through all the systems on the car im going to have my buddy who builds high end mercedes do my brake conversion for example. If I decided to rotissierre the body I can do it in my space and I have a mobile media blaster dude that can come over and do it on the spot for example, so basically I will be able to work on the car in comfort every day at minimal expense.Theres a fabrication machine shop next door as well. So I have easy accessw to all that sort of stuff I wouldnt have if I brought the car home. I also know a guy that has about 30 years experience in building mopar race suspensions and engines so he will be doing any suspension work and he will build the engine for the car down the road. Basically the car I want will be a solid high horsepower car for a mix of around town a little but with an eye to making a 'highway runner'. The first year or so will be devoted to building a rock solid body and suspension, since I want to have a 426 as the final engine i will put in subframe connectors, torque boxes and fore and aft crossbracing. I am going to keep a 'stock' rear suspension, just beef it up, for the fron I am going to install a high quality modern system and will probably drop the car 1-1.5" with a bit of a rake to get better aerodynamics above 110 mph. I will probably go with 3.54 gearing. as for wheels, I am going to run with widened 15" steelies and dog dish caps.

11" disc brakes all around. Probably an additional fuel cell in the trunk for long hauls. I may hollow out the rear seat lower and install a dual marine battery setup. NO STEREO system. I want as little electicals as possible and those will be beefed up. The final engine will be a 426 that will take pump premium and im shooting for around 600 HP or so.

basically I want a pretty 'normal' looking charger that has STRENGTH  but will be very 'driveable' in a variety of situations. I have no lans to sell the car down the roed so I am building a 'personal' ride.

as to looks-normal interior, It will end up with a suede black paintjob..not gloss. got a guy that does a black paint with a little charcoal metallic in it, then successive clear cooats each one  cut with a little dull coat until it dials in just right. I have a ducati thats painted that way and it looks amazing. no stripe I will keep it 'delete'. no vinyl top.

I have thought  about some wacky stuff for maybe down the road, so aqs a side project I may buy another hood and play around with making a Charger air grabber hood.  I could swap onto it when I want. also might make a 'releasable' bolt on front spoiler lip I can take on and off.

but basically a sort of real clean looking charger that is very very 'mechanically strong'.  I have what I consider a realistic budget saved up, a good workspace and plenty of time.

while its been 20 years since I built an entire car, I have built a lot of track and street bikes over the years and I do know what I am getting into. a lot of work and money, but heyt hobbies are good. Full blessing from my better half as well. MAJOR BONUS THERE.

[moparstuart]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23443.0.html   a thread on a 2nd gen charger with air grabber hood

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Looks pretty damn good. my only concern is I would want it to 'work' ...so im wondering if the stock position of an air grabber on a bulge hood piece would drop over and fit properly over the 2x4 bbl air cleaner on a 426.

[moparstuart]

  you would have to use the orange style air grabber, air cleaner and not the round chrome 69 hemi style air cleaner
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,32617.msg363034.html#msg363034  here are pictures of my superbird hood with an air grabber grafted into it .  and More pictures     http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,32617.msg404897.html#msg404897

[Magnumcharger]

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[Magnumcharger]

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[moparstuart]

Pics

some people hate it but i always likes sunfire yellow

[Brock Samson]

any pics of the sunfire yellow with white contrasting trim?..   Interior? Top?.. stripe?.. maybe it's me but i don't care for it with the black, and the yellow with the red accents (r/t side marker) it grosses me out.. In My Opinion.. no offence anybody... 

[PocketThunder]

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some people hate it but i always likes sunfire yellow

I love that color! 

I'd almost paint my C500 that color. 

[tan top]

 sounds like a intresting build  (SFRT)  ,  often thought  a bout what a air grabber would look like on a 2nd generation
   hmmmmmmm              

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Pics

some people hate it but i always likes sunfire yellow

I love that color! 

I'd almost paint my C500 that color. 

Here ya go


Brock C-5-X is the code for the cloth & vinyl seats

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

any pics of the sunfire yellow with white contrasting trim?..   Interior? Top?.. stripe?.. maybe it's me but i don't care for it with the black, and the yellow with the red accents (r/t side marker) it grosses me out.. In My Opinion.. no offence anybody... 

Not the best pics....

[Brock Samson]

i prefer that to the black... still that yellow is too soft for me... in my opinion... looks great on a big Caddy though.. 

[PocketThunder]

Pics

some people hate it but i always likes sunfire yellow

I love that color! 

I'd almost paint my C500 that color. 

Here ya go


Brock C-5-X is the code for the cloth & vinyl seats

Thanks Chris.  put saddle tan interior in that baby and     

[Alaskan_TA]

[so all cars sold in HAWAII are not EXPORT cars ? mine was bought new at a dealership in HONOLULU , HI. .

I would think that very few cars sold new in Hawaii were export cars since it was part of the US.

Do you have the boradcast sheet? If so, what are all the Y codes?

Barry

[SFRT]

no broadcst sheet. the only scenario that makes sense for Hawaii is:

guy was stationed overseas, ordered the car to be delivered to Hawaii upon his return from duty somewhere in the Asian theatre of Ops.

[rav440]

[so all cars sold in HAWAII are not EXPORT cars ? mine was bought new at a dealership in HONOLULU , HI. .

I would think that very few cars sold new in Hawaii were export cars since it was part of the US.

Do you have the boradcast sheet? If so, what are all the Y codes?

Barry

i have to go down to the garage and dig out the rr im guessing the Y would be on the fender tag also . but i think your right , its not an export car . although the original ower was in the military at the time he bought it . 

[69CoronetRT]

[so all cars sold in HAWAII are not EXPORT cars ? mine was bought new at a dealership in HONOLULU , HI. .

I would think that very few cars sold new in Hawaii were export cars since it was part of the US.

Do you have the boradcast sheet? If so, what are all the Y codes?

Barry

i have to go down to the garage and dig out the rr im guessing the Y would be on the fender tag also . but i think your right , its not an export car . although the original ower was in the military at the time he bought it . 

Not all plants show Y codes on the tags especially after 70. A better indication on a 73 RR would be to look for the U-C-I code and the look at the VON. A 73 export RR will have the "I" code and the VON will start with "E".

[rav440]

[so all cars sold in HAWAII are not EXPORT cars ? mine was bought new at a dealership in HONOLULU , HI. .

I would think that very few cars sold new in Hawaii were export cars since it was part of the US.

Do you have the boradcast sheet? If so, what are all the Y codes?

Barry

i have to go down to the garage and dig out the rr im guessing the Y would be on the fender tag also . but i think your right , its not an export car . although the original ower was in the military at the time he bought it . 

Not all plants show Y codes on the tags especially after 70. A better indication on a 73 RR would be to look for the U-C-I code and the look at the VON. A 73 export RR will have the "I" code and the VON will start with "E".

what is a U C I code ? & what is a VON ? thanks 

[Chris G.]

what is a U C I code ? & what is a VON ? thanks 

The U C or I code is circled in white below. The VON stands for Vehicle Order Number, which is circled in orange below.

[rav440]

  thanks CHRIS looks like mine isnt an EXPORT .

[bakerhillpins]

To go back to the CSI portion of this thread:

Have you tried doing a crayon or pencil rubbing of the fender tag? You know, place a sheet of white printer paper on it and gently rub a crayon over the entire tag. The rubbing has a way of bringing out the subtle edges that get lost in the rust. I would try a rubbing on both sides of the Fender tag and see which comes out better.

YMMV
Bryan