power wagon

[Todd Wilson]

Whats a mrap ?  Got a pic ?

MRAP is what th army is calling the vehicle designed to replace the humvee, stands for Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle, its made by international and is huge, ways 5-6 times the wieght of a humvee but supposedly bomb proof, no soldier  has yet to die in Iraq in one according to the pentagon. ill look for a pic

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/2007/mrap/

[Troy]

That appears to be based on an International RXT

Troy

[dukeboy_318]

yep thats it, its looks bulky and combersome, but from what i hear, its the best option available. its offroad capabilties suck, but its not designed for that.

[ACUDANUT]

  If they can blow up a 60,000lbs M1 Abram tank, than that truck won't stand a chance.  The only reason they have not lost one is because noone knows what it is...it's a UFO to the rag heads.

[dukeboy_318]

not to sound like a smart ass, but an ambrams wiegh 75 tons fully fueled and loaded, 68 tons empty. not 60,000 and yes they can blow one up, and destroy it and they have but because of the boat shaped under side, it deflects the full of the blast and the vehile takes it not the passengers, theres a video on youtube on a demo blowing one up, let me find it Iaqis have hit and destroyed several, but no lives have been lost

[ACUDANUT]

Dukeboy, you really like to argue don't ya. BTW 75 tons =150,000lbs.  I see why Crackin stop posting here. 

[dukeboy_318]

no not really, i just dont want people getting wrong info thats all.  Ive been around for a awhile and i think thats one thing most people that have dealt with me know im a down to earth guy that doesnt like to argure very much, just this is one area that i have a lot of expertise in and i like to try to share that if i can in anyway, sorry if i came off rash to anyone, that was not my intention, my intention was to describe the vehicle as best as possible. besides, cracken got an attitude right off the bat, all i did was to try to defend my self with the most accurate information I could give with verifiable sources.  NO hard feelings cracken, though man, i wish you the best in your fight for fuel mileage, seriously try to find a 245 or 241 transfer case, itll help better than hubs,  i did find one yesterday in junkyard nearby for 100 bucks just to give you an idea of what the price might be.  I will try to refrain from posting on this subject anymore as it seems to anger people.  Again, let me appologize to anyone that i may have come off rash about this subject. Have a merry christmas and a good holiday season everyone 

[Todd Wilson]

Dukeboy, you really like to argue don't ya. BTW 75 tons =150,000lbs.  I see why Crackin stop posting here. 

The Abrams is closer to 150g's then it is to 60g's.


Todd

[70kracken]

there's a difference between trying to provide good info and always having to be right.  just constructive critiscism....if no one believes you after you say something and you come back with another answer or story, that's aguing to me.  if you know what's right and what's not that should be good enough for you.  forcing ur opinions and ur knoweldge on someone else and trying to get them to believe you isn't right.  and to be perfectly honest this in one of the main reasons i don't come on here any more.  when you want technical info... you get personal opinion and then it becomes a debate.  i just wanted to know how to, if i could to free the front end up on my truck and now look what were talking about.  two pages of arguing and not even about the truck!

[ACUDANUT]

 Yes, your right. I am sorry. Peace love and the Beatles. 

[68 RT]

Your truck has the np203 case. I had a 78chev fulltime4X4. You can buy the part time conversion from just about any off road place. It does require taking the tailshaft off the t case.
It is not that hard of a job and takes about 2 hours. The kit also comes with lockout hubs. Just changing the hubs won't get you much. My milage before was 10 mpg after the kit around 12-13mpg. Truck did seem to have better acceleration though. Sort of wish I would have left it full time. As I recall kit was around 100.00 this was awhile ago 9-10 years. Hope this helps

Doug

[dukeboy_318]

there's a difference between trying to provide good info and always having to be right.  just constructive critiscism....if no one believes you after you say something and you come back with another answer or story, that's aguing to me.  if you know what's right and what's not that should be good enough for you.  forcing ur opinions and ur knoweldge on someone else and trying to get them to believe you isn't right.  and to be perfectly honest this in one of the main reasons i don't come on here any more.  when you want technical info... you get personal opinion and then it becomes a debate.  i just wanted to know how to, if i could to free the front end up on my truck and now look what were talking about.  two pages of arguing and not even about the truck!

I just told you what many other people also told you, so please do not single me out like that.  also i was not and am not and will not ever try to force my opinions on anyone, you asked if you could see a difference in fuel mileage and like many others agree, you will not see a big enough one to justify the money.  Also as many others as agreed, while i love power wagons, they are not and will never be fuel mileage vehicles.  I too own one and would never get rid of it,regardless of how high gas is, ill just drive it less, i under stand living on a budget, theres some members on here that know that.  Again, i meant no disrepect nor was it my intention to try to force you into accepting my opinion.  I also tried to give you technical advice and you also shot it down.  So maybe i am arguing some, but 70kracken so are you and you also need to be aware that when you ask a question like that, you will get alot of opinion based technical advice becasue you are basicly asking someone if they have heard of or tried this  and if they think it will help.  I myself have asked a lot of tech questions and alot of what i got is opinons, but that just helps to make my descision because maybe just maybe someone has tried it before and may or may not advise another person try it.  To all who are offended by my defensive posture, i appologize.  I know i said that i would not post here again, but i will not sit back and be verbually assualted and bashed as i have from the beginning by 70kracken just for trying to help a guy out.  I tried to keep an open mind on 70kracken and even tried to explain myself better.  I was not the only one who posted a personal opinion and yet he wants to continue to bash me.  I love this site and with the exception of one or two people on here, i enjoy reading what everyone has to say and love learning more about this hobby,  it is people like 70kracken who havea bad attitude from the start that ruin this enjoyment for all. As for constructive critisim, kracken you have had an attitude from the begining, for what reason, i dont know and will never know, but you too need to have some humility as well, and realize that iwas just trying to helpyou save time and money as i stated before, ive been into 4x4s for abotu 7 yrs and have built some impressive ones that have done very well at the 4wheel drive jamboree in Indianapolis, and have also seen just about everything tried on these vehicles by my friends and family, so please quit bashing me for trying to help you out, its your money try whatever you want to try, im not going to be the one upset when i only see .5 to 1 mpg increase in the city and maybe 2 on the highway and it takes several fill ups to pay for itself. Having been on this site and the old one since 2005, this is the first time ive argued and had to defend myself like this and that makes be very disappointed


attached is a picture of my 78 before i repainted it, 360 bored over .45, and stroked to 408, holleye 700 cfm 4150 carb sitting on a edledbrock performer rpm intake, I cant remember the cam, but its barely produces enough vaccum to run the brakes, 2.25 inch true dual exhaust coming out of a 3inch collector, backed by a beefed up 4spd trans, dana 60 rearend, 44 front, 4.56 gears, uncapped on the dyno, motor turned 430 hp and 450 ft lbs of torque, gets roughly 7 mpg highway 5 city.  This truck was built to pull and win truck pulling contests. 

[squeakfinder]

I used a Warn kit to convert my 78 Jimmy quite few years ago. I can't say it did anything for fuel milage but, it certainly handles better with the hubs unlocked.

This kit, I think is a little different than the Warn......


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Process-203-Transfer-Case-4X4-4X2-Conversion-Kit_W0QQitemZ270189287701QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33727QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem                         
It looks like you have buy the hubs separate with the above kit.

It's been a long time since I filled the 35 gallon tank to check millage, last time it was 10 mpg around town and 12 om the highway with a tailwind. The only reason I mention this is that your Powere Wagon is about as aerodynamic.

And probably about the same weight...if it's not, I'm sure dukeboy 318 will correct me..

[70kracken]

he's arguing again........i'm so sorry i stand down......you know everything, i know nothing, ur right, i'm wrong.  just drop it now.  all you have to do is post something else so you have the last word.  i'm done

[BMOTOXSTAR]

 

[NMike]

you can't just install the front locking hubs on a pre-81 dodge truck. all the dana 44 axles used that POS large bearing design. the locking hubs are for the newer style that is found on chev's and later dodges.

BTW the early trucks have the same bolt pattern as the cars. the 81-up 4X4 trucks switched to the ford 5x5 1/2 bolt pattern.

what ever you decide on, remember the bolt pattern differences.

i changed the ones on my truck to real axles from a cummins truck. straight bolt in, just need the dana 60 spring plates to hang the front axle on the OEM springs. Chev 60's are nearly identical to the dodge except they are an inch or two different in width. the rest of the axles, (brakes, bearings, gears) are all the same as the dodge

PS, if you do the T-case swap, there is a difference between auto and STD T-cases. plus there are 20 differnent drive shafts.

front is different if it is dana 44, dana 60, auto or standard
rear is different for dana 44, dana 60, auto, standard, long box, short box, extended cab, crew cab ETC...

[Chryco Psycho]

Your truck has the np203 case. I had a 78chev fulltime4X4. You can buy the part time conversion from just about any off road place. It does require taking the tailshaft off the t case.
It is not that hard of a job and takes about 2 hours. The kit also comes with lockout hubs. Just changing the hubs won't get you much. My milage before was 10 mpg after the kit around 12-13mpg. Truck did seem to have better acceleration though. Sort of wish I would have left it full time. As I recall kit was around 100.00 this was awhile ago 9-10 years. Hope this helps

Doug

This is exactly what I had to do on my 70s Dodge truck , it had the 203 chian type transfer case & I installed Dana 60 front & rear diffs

[firefighter3931]

he's arguing again........i'm so sorry i stand down......you know everything, i know nothing, ur right, i'm wrong.  just drop it now.  all you have to do is post something else so you have the last word.  i'm done

I don't get it....the guy apologizes and you continue to insult him.   


There's no pleasing some people 



Ron