AK-47 what is this part

[mally69]

What is this part and what does it do, I woiuld like to know everything about it, if any one knows..    it is on the same side as the safety lever and its to the right of the rear sear , it kinda just hangs there and swivels and pushes back     

[mally69]

another pic

[MM1R/T]

What kind of AK is it? Who imported it?

None of my AK's has that.

You might have better luck over here: www.akforum.net

[mally69]

it is a romanian AK,  There is a stamp on the side that says ITM arm's but the other two romanians i have also have that,    i have 3 other ones 2 are romanian and one is a yugoslavian and none have this. I have never seen it before in any AK,

[70charger_boy]

That doesn't look like any Kalashnikov's I've ever owned.

[MM1R/T]

ITM is an Ohio Ordnance Works receiver. Your gun is a Romanian parts kit assembled on a U.S. receiver. Any idea who built it?

I just figured it out: Your gun has the orginal trigger group. That piece is part of an anti-bounce mechanism that prevents the gun from firing out of battery in full auto fire. It serves no purpose in a semi auto gun.

The only concern with having the original trigger group in your gun is that it may not have the required number of U.S. parts to be legal.

[70charger_boy]

I know that Centerfiresystems.com sells romanian AK's, maybe they made it
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/

[mally69]

ITM is an Ohio Ordnance Works receiver. Your gun is a Romanian parts kit assembled on a U.S. receiver. Any idea who built it?

I just figured it out: Your gun has the orginal trigger group. That piece is part of an anti-bounce mechanism that prevents the gun from firing out of battery in full auto fire. It serves no purpose in a semi auto gun.

The only concern with having the original trigger group in your gun is that it may not have the required number of U.S. parts to be legal.

I know it is illegal as hell to own a full auto gun unless you are finger printed and photographed and have some kind of a class 3 weapons permitt  but, There isn't any way this could cause my gun to fire full auto is there, I really don't want to spend 10 years minimum in jail becuase of some dumb part.  I have no idea who built it.

[MM1R/T]

I wasn't suggesting that your gun was full auto. You are correct: There is no way that that part could make it full auto.

For a semi auto gun to be legal with the evil "assault weapon" features (pistol grip, threaded muzzle, etc.) it has to be considered by ATF to be domestically produced, not imported.

To be considered domestically produced, your Romanian rifle must contain a certain number of U.S. made parts (I believe it's 6).

My comment regarding legality was in reference only to U.S. parts count. A U.S. made trigger group (trigger, disconnector, hammer) puts you half way there. It is the cheapest, simplest way to get to the required 6 parts and that is why most parts kit guns have U.S. trigger groups.

[ACUDANUT]

 It a foriegn thing-a-ma-gig ??  AR's are better

[Forza]

You think an AR15 is better then an AK47? What have you been smokin?

[mally69]

AR    yea and get killed trying to clean it after 2 shots during combat
But back on topic, I just wasn't sure what this part was. It appears to be doing nothing, being in the place that it is. so it made me kinda curious.

[rav440]

That doesn't look like any Kalashnikov's I've ever owned.

not to question you , but are you sure you had Kalashnikov's ? not all AKs are Kalashnikov's . a Kalashnikov has a machined steel one piece receiver
not the stamped sheet metal that is common on most AKs . plus they are big high $$$ guns .

as for the ARs they are a good rifle but way to many moving parts . there is a reason the AK has be in use for 50-60 years . they are proven and indestuctable .
STORY:my friend had a hungarrian pre ban AK he was so confident about it he shoved the rifle down into a foot of mud and guk pulled it out took it back to his house put it in the corrner of his room and left it there for a year . after the year was up i told him "your an idiot theres no way that will ever wok again " he knocked off the caked on mud that was all over the AK he tried to pull back the bolt , it wouldnt budge so i said " SEE DUMBASS you its junk ! " nope he put the but of the AK on the floor and put a boot to the bolt , it slide open he cleared the barrel opened a window threw in a 30rd clip the AK fired like it did when it was new .
so he said to me  " now let take your SPAS and DAE WOO out and do the same thing "  i told him  " nah , i think ill sell them and buy something that can take the heat , dust , mud and what everelse you can toss at it "
antoher fact about the AK , there was an AK 94 devloped with even less moving parts this has a reciorcating "SP" barrel they couldnt sell it because the AK 47 is so proven nobody was willig to change .

[mally69]

That doesn't look like any Kalashnikov's I've ever owned.

not to question you , but are you sure you had Kalashnikov's ? not all AKs are Kalashnikov's . a Kalashnikov has a machined steel one piece receiver
not the stamped sheet metal that is common on most AKs . plus they are big high $$$ guns .

as for the ARs they are a good rifle but way to many moving parts . there is a reason the AK has be in use for 50-60 years . they are proven and indestuctable .
STORY:my friend had a hungarrian pre ban AK he was so confident about it he shoved the rifle down into a foot of mud and guk pulled it out took it back to his house put it in the corrner of his room and left it there for a year . after the year was up i told him "your an idiot theres no way that will ever wok again " he knocked off the caked on mud that was all over the AK he tried to pull back the bolt , it wouldnt budge so i said " SEE DUMBASS you its junk ! " nope he put the but of the AK on the floor and put a boot to the bolt , it slide open he cleared the barrel opened a window threw in a 30rd clip the AK fired like it did when it was new .
so he said to me  " now let take your SPAS and DAE WOO out and do the same thing "  i told him  " nah , i think ill sell them and buy something that can take the heat , dust , mud and what everelse you can toss at it "
antoher fact about the AK , there was an AK 94 devloped with even less moving parts this has a reciorcating "SP" barrel they couldnt sell it because the AK 47 is so proven nobody was willig to change .

The one i have is a romanian AK, and yep it has a stamped receiver.  Mine isnt a Russian kalashnikov,

[mally69]

I found the part on the internet just now they call it a ( rate reducer ) I still don't know what what the purpose of the rate reducer is on even the full auto versions , unless it is to maybe stall the hammer for a split second to let the bolt shut the whole way,   here's is a pic of the gun

[70charger_boy]

That doesn't look like any Kalashnikov's I've ever owned.

not to question you , but are you sure you had Kalashnikov's ? not all AKs are Kalashnikov's . a Kalashnikov has a machined steel one piece receiver
not the stamped sheet metal that is common on most AKs . plus they are big high $$$ guns .

Yes, mine was a real one.  I have a FFL to sell firearms

[rav440]

That doesn't look like any Kalashnikov's I've ever owned.

not to question you , but are you sure you had Kalashnikov's ? not all AKs are Kalashnikov's . a Kalashnikov has a machined steel one piece receiver
not the stamped sheet metal that is common on most AKs . plus they are big high $$$ guns .

Yes, mine was a real one.  I have a FFL to sell firearms

like i said i wasnt questioning you    theres just alot of people  that have an AK think they are Kalashnikovs 

[dukeboy_318]

not to change the topic at hand. but I love my AK 47, its a preban Romian model, Ive put bout 4500 rounds though it since i got it last february, never had a jam or anything like that, im kind OBC about cleaning my guns but i havent clean my ak but about 5 times, so i trust it enough that i keep it ready for home defense with east german 40 rd mag ready go.  My AR is also preban and while its more accurate than my AK, especially over long distances, it seems to be very picky about the ammo, it wont run cheap ammo, or at least run it well. And thats after cleaning it religiously. And it doesnt like cold or damp weather either   I guess its kinda a toss up really,  reliablity or accuracy?, ill take reliablity. 

Hey mally 69, i tried looking that part up too, and can only find what its called, not a decription of what it does, when you find out for sure, please let me know, curiousity will  kill me now. 

[mally69]

Yes,i will im still looking for the same info. I will post up any info on this..   Does your AK have this part attatched ??

[dukeboy_318]

to be honest, ive never really checked, i will though when i get home from work and let you, i need to clean it anyway, damp house equals gunk in gun, not good. see told you i was OBC about that. 

[mally69]

that part is called a rate reducer,    still can't find any info on what it does

[Rolling_Thunder]

agreed...    it is part of the full auto feature that your weapon no longer has...     just put it back together and leave it be...    or...    just buy another trigger grouping and get rid of it.... 


PS- I HATE YOU! all AK style weapons are illegal out here in the communist state of Commie-Fornia...        thats ok though - I found loopholes for my CAR-15     

[mally69]

haha california is such and anal state about everything 

I looked into buying a full auto AK  but it costs 8,000 dollars plus i have to be finger printed and photographed and i would have a 45 day wait,  but since i haven't had as much as a speeding ticket ever  or anything else i should be able to get the class 3 weapons permitt, But 8,000 is way to much