who said gas will never be under 2 dollars again....

[dukeboy_318]

check this out, gas station now feels like us as consumers feel 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_fe_st/odd33_cent_gas

[RD]

man,... why cant that happen in kansas?

[BrianShaughnessy]

Too bad it didn't happen here.    Not like that will help anybody in the long term.   

[TruckDriver]

I saw that on the local news. To bad it was to far north for me

[bull]

I think that station owner is a little naive if she feels like people ripped her off. I bet even Mother Theresa would be down there filling the tank at $.33/gallon. I know I would.

[dukeboy_318]

do you blame people, i mean when gas prices can differ by 30-50 cents just from one side of town to the other, i think gas companys ar eprice gouging a little, 3 miles across down shouldnt havea 50 cent difference, i filled up my truck at a citgo on the south side of town, diesel was 3.19, 5 blocks north, citgo, circle K, speedway, marathon, all had it listed for 3.69, why the difference, the citgo i filled up had just lowered the price the day before while other stations raised theirs???

[BigBlackDodge]

I having trouble finding sympathy for the gas station owner.



BBD

[mally69]

It happend here in PA once.   You could have sworn that there was a Dodge Charger car show going on, there were people lined up for a few hundred yards away waiting to get gas 

[Old Moparz]

The oil company probably still made a decent profit on the $0.33 per gallon.

[70charginglizard]

do you blame people, i mean when gas prices can differ by 30-50 cents just from one side of town to the other, i think gas companys ar eprice gouging a little, 3 miles across down shouldnt havea 50 cent difference, i filled up my truck at a citgo on the south side of town, diesel was 3.19, 5 blocks north, citgo, circle K, speedway, marathon, all had it listed for 3.69, why the difference, the citgo i filled up had just lowered the price the day before while other stations raised theirs???

but it's not the stations owner fault that the price of gas is high.
it's the greedy rich oil companies fault.
The gas station owner is just a simple little business man tryng to make a living.
Yeah, it was a pretty stupid mistake that what happened happened but don't blame the gas station owners for the price of fuel or imply that it's there fault some how.

[C_stripes]

I bet the cop called his friends before calling the owner.   

[dukeboy_318]

do you blame people, i mean when gas prices can differ by 30-50 cents just from one side of town to the other, i think gas companys ar eprice gouging a little, 3 miles across down shouldnt havea 50 cent difference, i filled up my truck at a citgo on the south side of town, diesel was 3.19, 5 blocks north, citgo, circle K, speedway, marathon, all had it listed for 3.69, why the difference, the citgo i filled up had just lowered the price the day before while other stations raised theirs???

but it's not the stations owner fault that the price of gas is high.
it's the greedy rich oil companies fault.
The gas station owner is just a simple little business man tryng to make a living.
Yeah, it was a pretty stupid mistake that what happened happened but don't blame the gas station owners for the price of fuel or imply that it's there fault some how.

i know the companies control prices, but i just dont under stand how the same station, owned by two different owners, can vary by 30-50 cents and they are located in the same zipcode, just blocks apart.  it just irritated me that the owner called the customers dishonest and theives, heck id filled every container i could find if that happened here.  man i guess ive been on a tear lately making people mad , sorry bout that 70chargeringlizard, didnt mean to blame just the owners, i blame the entire oil community . 

[justin1987]

Seriously, how many of you work in the oil and gas industry? How many people actually know how much an oil well costs to produce and maintain? How many of you think it's ALL the oil companies fault just because you heard it on the news?

You all need to actually talk to people in the oil and gas industry. My family has been in the oil industry for over 35 years. I'm keeping that tradition going when I graduate from college in two years. The starting salary for my major with ConocoPhillips is $85,000. Hell, one of my friends started a job with ExxonMobil this year and had a starting salary of $120,000. What other industry do you know that pays that well with only 4-5 years of college?

The majority of ya'll don't realize that it can cost millions of dollars a year to keep a single well going. And the majority of oil companies sell their oil to oil refinieries that raise the price. So for all you that said it's all the oil COMPANIES fault, then you need to check your facts. Sure there are a few companies that own their own refineries, but the number of companies that do not, outweigh them.

You can say all you want about the oil industry, but it is still the driving force of the world and it will be for as long as any of us are around.

[BigBlackDodge]

Just curious............which oil companies do own their own refinerys? I imagine all the big ones do..............no?


BBD

[mally69]

Seriously, how many of you work in the oil and gas industry? How many people actually know how much an oil well costs to produce and maintain? How many of you think it's ALL the oil companies fault just because you heard it on the news?

You all need to actually talk to people in the oil and gas industry. My family has been in the oil industry for over 35 years. I'm keeping that tradition going when I graduate from college in two years. The starting salary for my major with ConocoPhillips is $85,000. Hell, one of my friends started a job with ExxonMobil this year and had a starting salary of $120,000. What other industry do you know that pays that well with only 4-5 years of college?

The majority of ya'll don't realize that it can cost millions of dollars a year to keep a single well going. And the majority of oil companies sell their oil to oil refinieries that raise the price. So for all you that said it's all the oil COMPANIES fault, then you need to check your facts. Sure there are a few companies that own their own refineries, but the number of companies that do not, outweigh them.

You can say all you want about the oil industry, but it is still the driving force of the world and it will be for as long as any of us are around.

Starting salary of $120,000  is REDICULOUS thats why gas is over priced the workers want more money. Just think  how many employee's get paid that much per year, Its a wonder why it takes millions to operate the place,   In my mind think they are a bit over paid, and that being said would lower gas prices. Even 85,000 starting off is outragouse DONT TAKE ANY OFFENSE its just my  , but that seems off the wall, But good for you though If i were you I would be buying Hemi's out the a$$ along with many more charger's..

By the way are you guy's doing any Hiring..

[justin1987]

Just curious............which oil companies do own their own refinerys? I imagine all the big ones do..............no?


BBD

Valero, ConocoPhillips, and ExxonMobil are the biggest companies that have refineries in the U.S.

ConocoPhillips' refinery is about 45 miles north of where I live and the Conoco station across the street from the refinery has the highest gas prices in the entire state. That proves that refineries, not companies, are to blame. The number of smaller oil and gas companies are in the thousands whereas there are probably 10 large companies in the country. The smaller companies cannot refine their oil so they sell it to the larger companies. I just get tired of people say it's all the oil companies' fault.

[justin1987]

Starting salary of $120,000  is REDICULOUS thats why gas is over priced the workers want more money. Just think  how many employee's get paid that much per year, Its a wonder why it takes millions to operate the place,   In my mind think they are a bit over paid, and that being said would lower gas prices. Even 85,000 starting off is outragouse DONT TAKE ANY OFFENSE its just my  , but that seems off the wall, But good for you though If i were you I would be buying Hemi's out the a$$ along with many more charger's..

By the way are you guy's doing any Hiring..

Not everybody makes $120,000. The $120,000 a year is for an offshore drilling engineer that works 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. The salaries average out if you consider the average roustabout earns $35,000 a year.

It may seem ridiculous, but compared to the hell that engineering students have to go through these days, it is fair. Engineering is the number one recruited major out of college now because of the high demand. Most americans don't want to deal with the 4-5 years of math and science anymore. I've sacrificed a lot of stuff while I've been in college just so I can have a great life when I get out. Companies are more prone to hiring and American if they can. It's kind of hard to do since for every 100,000 american engineers graduating each year, there are something like 750,000 Indian and Chinese engineers graduating.

As soon as I graduate I could go to Saudi Arabia and make $100,000 a year, tax free that increases $10,000 a year every year that you are there. All living and relocation expenses are paid in full. The down side is you have to live in a guarded compound. There is no way in hell that I would do that, but it just shows that the price will never go down because it is in such high demand.

[mally69]

     i wish i could make money like that but of course me in  school     not a good idea 

good luck to you though,,   maybe sometime you could slip a guy a few thousand to buy some charger stuff

[PocketThunder]

Starting salary of $120,000  is REDICULOUS thats why gas is over priced the workers want more money. Just think  how many employee's get paid that much per year, Its a wonder why it takes millions to operate the place,   In my mind think they are a bit over paid, and that being said would lower gas prices. Even 85,000 starting off is outragouse DONT TAKE ANY OFFENSE its just my  , but that seems off the wall, But good for you though If i were you I would be buying Hemi's out the a$$ along with many more charger's..

By the way are you guy's doing any Hiring..

Not everybody makes $120,000. The $120,000 a year is for an offshore drilling engineer that works 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. The salaries average out if you consider the average roustabout earns $35,000 a year.

It may seem ridiculous, but compared to the hell that engineering students have to go through these days, it is fair. Engineering is the number one recruited major out of college now because of the high demand. Most americans don't want to deal with the 4-5 years of math and science anymore. I've sacrificed a lot of stuff while I've been in college just so I can have a great life when I get out. Companies are more prone to hiring and American if they can. It's kind of hard to do since for every 100,000 american engineers graduating each year, there are something like 750,000 Indian and Chinese engineers graduating.

As soon as I graduate I could go to Saudi Arabia and make $100,000 a year, tax free that increases $10,000 a year every year that you are there. All living and relocation expenses are paid in full. The down side is you have to live in a guarded compound. There is no way in hell that I would do that, but it just shows that the price will never go down because it is in such high demand.

Justin are you down near Conoco in Roxana, IL?

[justin1987]

Justin are you down near Conoco in Roxana, IL?

No, I'm just south of the refinery in Ponca City, Oklahoma. The place used to be Conoco's world headquarters until they merged with Phillips Petroleum a few years back.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

As soon as I graduate I could go to Saudi Arabia and make $100,000 a year, tax free

Sure it's tax free if you don't mind giving up your citizenship.  Oh, and if you decide to keep your US citizenship, you'll be subject to local taxes in both Saudi Arabia and your domicile in the US.  Oh, and if you decide to stay for more than a year, your travel and living expenses won't be deductible.  Oh, and the earned income exclusion only applies to $85,700 gross income, and it's counted as income when figuring which tax bracket you belong in - chances are you'd get hit with a big bill for AMT.

Trust me.  The IRS will get theirs.

[68chrgrwife]

wow, just a matter of time before the    I can see it coming on.......

[Forza]

Sorry Justin but after reading your posts I'm still going to have to say both the Oil companies and Refineries are all thieves. Money hungry, every last one of them. 85k Starting pay? I'm glad you can live it rich while people that save lives on a daily basis get shafted for 1/4 of that. Back to the topic, I'm sure that was an extremely expensive hour and 45 minute loss for that owner.

[justin1987]

Sorry Justin but after reading your posts I'm still going to have to say both the Oil companies and Refineries are all thieves. Money hungry, every last one of them. 85k Starting pay? I'm glad you can live it rich while people that save lives on a daily basis get shafted for 1/4 of that. Back to the topic, I'm sure that was an extremely expensive hour and 45 minute loss for that owner.

Well, if people aren't happy with what they get paid, maybe they should go to college instead of settling for a high school diploma. I've busted my ass everyday of my life to ensure a good job so I can have a good life. I'd say about 90% of Americans are too damn lazy to get off their couch and better their life because they are afraid of a little hard work.

I'm not going to argue anymore on here about this. I'm not going to change anyone's mind because people are afraid to be different and they don't want to think outside the box.

By the way, the company my dad works for sells their oil for $35.00 a barrel, so they must be making a fortune since oil really sells for nearly three times that much. 

[mally69]

hard work huh sitting in a class room and paper work,, hard,,  LAZY    ..    Ok not busting your balls or anyone else's that went to school , but I have to stand up for the real workers that are out there carrying a lunch bucket trying to make a decent living like my self and most of america's people. Not everyone's family can AFFORD to send their kids to school like you,,, its NOT LAZY  , id have to say you have had everything handed to you pretty much.  Try this, its 105 degrees in the air and your putting in heavy guiderail along a highway right behind a paver with 300 degree asphalt tearing your feet off,  blood and sweat all day and there is NO break not even a lunch break, and its  for $20/hr , you would never make it from the way your talking..  Those are are jobs where you can say you are busting your  ass.. Beilieve me, my job is one of millions other jobs that are nothing but hard manual labor...  Have you ever sat down and thought of who physically built your school?   And, people are to damn lazy to get off their couch and better their lives becuase they are afraid of a little hard work....  Boy you have no clue what it is like to have NOTHING...  You have no idea what real hard work is , Bottom line....................................................

[Troy]

Haha, I love it when people try to tell me things were handed to me. They have no clue. I grew up poor. I can't remember wearing anything other than hand-me-down clothes until I was in high school. I didn't have video games or the latest toys - we often struggled to have enough food but mom is a dedicated coupon clipper and sale finder. I started working when I was 15 - every day after school and most weekends. I busted my rear end for over 13 years before I realized that I was never going to get anywhere like that (except maybe a worn out body by the time I was 40). I rarely had fewer than two jobs as sometimes as many as five. Most of my family works in factories or other types of manual labor so I know how things end up down that path. I decided to go back to school and paid for it with loans (couldn't get grants) but by also working 40-60 hours per week. It IS hard work but if you can see the rewards at the end it makes it worthwhile. I am never satisfied with the amount of money I make and as long as I'm providing value to my employer and our customers then they don't argue either. If you're willing to settle then you get exactly what you deserve.

I find it funny when guys out in the machine shop complain about the lazy office employees when it's the engineers inside who design and improve the products they make, the salesmen are on the road away from their families about 60% of the time, the accountants make sure the bills are paid, the lawyers protect the company's property, and the managers ensure a steady stream of work in the pipeline. Of course, the machinists are the ones with the skill to make the product so everyone plays a part. It's silly to pretend that one could be successful without the others.

As for oil companies, they make lower profits (percentage) than most banks and insurance companies. I don't believe the amount of profit they make isn't out of line for a cyclical business either. We've covered this plenty of times already, and, much like justin1987 said, no one is likely to change their opinion.

Troy

[mally69]

All true, but still just becuase people have only a high school diploma, doesn't mean they are lazy.. its just somtimes people  can't afford college. thats all i am ranting about, i just wanted to point that out to him, that he was fortunate enough to have enough money to go through college. So, when he stated 90% of americans are lazy, I took that as if he was downing me and some of us that didnt go to college.  Its just how I understood his statement.

I have alot of respect for you Troy, I know what its like. My town is basically a small town, also there isn't any really good jobs in my local area. And i know what is is like to have to work and wait  for the smallest thing's in life, it really can be difficult..

[justin1987]

hard work huh sitting in a class room and paper work,, hard,,  LAZY    ..    Ok not busting your balls or anyone else's that went to school , but I have to stand up for the real workers that are out there carrying a lunch bucket trying to make a decent living like my self and most of america's people. Not everyone's family can AFFORD to send their kids to school like you,,, its NOT LAZY  , id have to say you have had everything handed to you pretty much.  Try this, its 105 degrees in the air and your putting in heavy guiderail along a highway right behind a paver with 300 degree asphalt tearing your feet off,  blood and sweat all day and there is NO break not even a lunch break, and its  for $20/hr , you would never make it from the way your talking..  Those are are jobs where you can say you are busting your  ass.. Beilieve me, my job is one of millions other jobs that are nothing but hard manual labor...  Have you ever sat down and thought of who physically built your school?   And, people are to damn lazy to get off their couch and better their lives becuase they are afraid of a little hard work....  Boy you have no clue what it is like to have NOTHING...  You have no idea what real hard work is , Bottom line....................................................

Okay, don't judge me. You know NOTHING about me. If it weren't for people that went to school to design the highway you are building, you wouldn't have a job and would be living on the streets. I don't come from a rich family. I've worked my ass off for years so I can pay for school. I've had the manual labor jobs, the shit jobs, the jobs nobody else wanted. I had an average of two to three jobs at any one time. I'm getting through school on my hard work, loans, and scholarships. I grew up with hardly anything. Don't just assume that because a person goes to college they are rich.

[justin1987]

Haha, I love it when people try to tell me things were handed to me. They have no clue. I grew up poor. I can't remember wearing anything other than hand-me-down clothes until I was in high school. I didn't have video games or the latest toys - we often struggled to have enough food but mom is a dedicated coupon clipper and sale finder. I started working when I was 15 - every day after school and most weekends. I busted my rear end for over 13 years before I realized that I was never going to get anywhere like that (except maybe a worn out body by the time I was 40). I rarely had fewer than two jobs as sometimes as many as five. Most of my family works in factories or other types of manual labor so I know how things end up down that path. I decided to go back to school and paid for it with loans (couldn't get grants) but by also working 40-60 hours per week. It IS hard work but if you can see the rewards at the end it makes it worthwhile. I am never satisfied with the amount of money I make and as long as I'm providing value to my employer and our customers then they don't argue either. If you're willing to settle then you get exactly what you deserve.

I find it funny when guys out in the machine shop complain about the lazy office employees when it's the engineers inside who design and improve the products they make, the salesmen are on the road away from their families about 60% of the time, the accountants make sure the bills are paid, the lawyers protect the company's property, and the managers ensure a steady stream of work in the pipeline. Of course, the machinists are the ones with the skill to make the product so everyone plays a part. It's silly to pretend that one could be successful without the others.

As for oil companies, they make lower profits (percentage) than most banks and insurance companies. I don't believe the amount of profit they make isn't out of line for a cyclical business either. We've covered this plenty of times already, and, much like justin1987 said, no one is likely to change their opinion.

Troy

Thanks Troy. I'm glad someone sees it from my point of view.

[justin1987]

So, when he stated 90% of americans are lazy, I took that as if he was downing me and some of us that didnt go to college.  Its just how I understood his statement.

By hard work I meant going to college and working hard at school to get a good job, not hard manual labor.

[mally69]

Okay, don't judge me. You know NOTHING about me. If it weren't for people that went to school to design the highway you are building, you wouldn't have a job and would be living on the streets. I don't come from a rich family. I've worked my ass off for years so I can pay for school. I've had the manual labor jobs, the shit jobs, the jobs nobody else wanted. I had an average of two to three jobs at any one time. I'm getting through school on my hard work, loans, and scholarships. I grew up with hardly anything. Don't just assume that because a person goes to college they are rich.

Then don't judge everyone else by saying that they are lazy. By saying 90% thats over the majority..   
But even being said with these arguments, I hope everything does go well for you in school so, don't take any of it personally  i was just stating my    on things .. and the people who design the highway and everything else in the construction feild, are not always the brightest people. Alot of the time us workers have to fix their screw ups..

Now lets get back to the topic ...

[dukeboy_318]

wow didnt think this was going to happen when i posted the story. im staying out of this one and keeping opinions to myself  .  I just hope they dont fire the clerk for his mistake. It seems to me like its easy to do.  wow 

[Forza]

Screw that. This is my last post in this topic.

Have you knuckleheads ever thought that just possibly, not everyone needs a college education to succeed. Just because you didn't go to college doesn't mean you are some stupid low life who sits at home and does nothing. My sister went into the Air Force right after high school, did her 4 years there and went to work at Sears. Started out as a manager and has worked her ass off and is in charge of almost every portrait studio in the south east part of the country. Not too bad for someone who didn't go to college considering she banks almost 75-85k a year.

College is a personal choice. If the career field you want to go into would be better if you had a degree, then go for it. For me the only thing I want to do is Law Enforcement or Corrections. To me that's the best job for me and I really don't care to go higher then Sgt, when the time comes. If you went to College, good for you, I'm happy for you. Don't come in here and say just because someone didn't go is because they are lazy. That my friend makes you 1 ignorant prick.

And thanks again Justin for dragging this topic way off course.

[Troy]

I think Justin's original question was "how many of you work in the industry" (ie. anyone who might actually have an idea what they are talking about). No one responded to that. Only two sentences in his entire first post talked about college but that and the salary are what he got blasted for. So who really derailed the thread?

I'd agree that most Americans ARE lazy (although 90% may be high) but that has nothing to do with college. I guess a better description would be "lacking motivation" and an even better one might be "lacking willpower". Most Americans are too lazy, stubborn, and self centered to change their own fuel usage in order to make a dent in fuel prices. It's much easier to complain about how others aren't doing enough. And that I think is the point. It's easy to complain about how everyone else makes too much money without understanding their job. It's easy to complain about attitudes of others without looking within. It's hard to make a change - so most people are content with the status quo.

Many Americans ARE too lazy to make even a few small changes to have a better life. That even includes being proactive about getting a raise or promotion at their current employer - or not buying that triple latte at Starbucks every morning. I realized that the life I wanted to live required me to make a change so I went to school. Not everyone can (or should) but, if there's an opportunity to learn something new and they shouldn't waste it. My brother in law is a steel worker and he goes to training every week to improve his skills. Office workers take computer classes to be more efficient. Mechanics need to keep updated on the latest technology. I'd assume that even police officers need refresher courses once in a while. Sometimes learning a new skill or even a hobby can lead to a second source of income. It takes more effort than sitting on the couch watching TV though - unless you're watching DIY or the Home Improvement Channel I guess. Education (in any form) can only help in whatever career you choose.

So back to the original post, what that tells me is that people are more than motivated to rip someone else off - but not motivated enough to report that it may be happening. No one can possibly argue that the customers didn't know it was a mistake yet they took advantage of it any way. The manager "knew many of the drivers and told them they were being dishonest". But did any offer to pay the correct price? The few who thought they were getting away with it are now going to cost everyone else just a little more. The gas station lost over $1,700 and they'll have to recoup in some manner.

Troy