68-70 charger guys is this right?

[mikesbbody]

68-70 charger guy's first of all sorry to ask such a dumb question I have my reasons which ill post later after i get a few responses.
Is this correct: 68-70 rt charger's base motor was the 440, (optional hemi) in 70? the 6 pack was a option.
The 383 was never a factory option for the rt. This is what i have read in various mopar books and what i believe to be right if im wrong at all please let me know thanks.

[A383Wing]

Correct.......that's what I have understood also.

Bryan  (might be wrong....usually am)

[UFO]

I'll second that you are correct.
You got a documented slant 6 R/T your gonna spring on us after?

[70charginglizard]

Straight from the 70 charger registry-

Charger R/T Engine Option Codes:

E74 Engine 426 Hemi 112 built 1.2% $648.25 Carter carbs, AFB4742S front, AFB4745S rear 4 speed, AFB4746S rear automatic
426 Hemi with 3.54 4 Speed sure grip 28 built 0.3%
426 Hemi with 3.55 Automatic sure grip 19 built 0.2%
426 Hemi with 4.10 4 Speed sure grip 28 built 0.3%
426 Hemi with 4.10 Automatic sure grip 28 built 0.3%

E86 Engine 440 4 Barrel 8574 built 91.5% STD Carter carb AVS4737S 4 speed, AVS4738 automatic, AVS4741S auto with A/C
440 with 3.23 Automatic 75 built 0.8%
440 with 3.23 Automatic sure grip 66 built 0.7%
440 with 3.54 4 Speed sure grip 1246 built 13.3%
440 with 3.55 Automatic sure grip 675 built 7.2%
440 with 4.10 4 Speed sure grip 206 built 2.2%
440 with 4.10 Automatic sure grip 131 built 1.4%

E87 Engine 440 Six Pack 684 built 7.3% $119.05 Holley carbs R4382A front, R4374A center 4speed, R4144A center auto, R4365A rear
440 6 Pack with 3.54 4 Speed sure grip 187 built 2.0%
440 6 Pack with 3.55 Automatic sure grip 103 built 1.1%
440 6 Pack with 4.10 4 Speed sure grip 159 built 1.7%
440 6 Pack with 4.10 Automatic sure grip 84 built 0.9%

[mikesbbody]

ufo, no i dont have a slant 6 rt  you guy's have probably all been through this before...someone insists that they are right about something in this case he say's 68-70 rt chargers were availible with a 383 but if this is so i have never seen or read about it. I hate people who wont admit that they are wrong no matter what you show them  my knowlege on 68-70's isnt the best but i was sure that was right. BTW this person claims to have worked for dodge for many years  i just dont even bother these day i just nod my head and agree... or say "whatever"
Thanks again and if anyone else wants to ad to this please do 

[69bronzeT5]

Yea, 440 was the base motor

[Chad L. Magee]

I have never seen a real /6, 318, or 383 engined Charger that came that way from the factory.  Now, I have seen a downgrade done back in the late 70s by a dealership for an owner who wanted the image but not the gas mileage.  (Even seen a 67 427 vette with the six cylinder done that way)......

Not to kidnap the tread, but I was thinking of making either a /6 70 RT or a /6 70 Daytona to confuse the local yokels at the spring rod run I go to every year.    I think it would be worth a laugh or two, but I am a bit twisted in the humor department (blame my amount of studying lately).  Maybe I can get a "Wanna race?" (to the gas pump- in very small letters) bumper sticker made for it and cruise it down the track........

[ca 69charger]

Mike, is there a possiblity that this person was confusing it for  a 1970 Challenger R/T. I believe they came with a 383. Somebody with more E-body knowledge may chime in.

Larry

[1FastCharger]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

[NMike]

back in the mid 80's, there was a tripple dark green 68 r/t. i kept bugging the guy to sell it but he never did. he did tell me that it was a factory 383. i was too young and stupid to check the VIN, so i always thought that the guy was just a nut.

now i know for sure it was an R/T, because my buddy stole all the R/T badges.

[69bronzeT5]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

Wait, he had a 383 Six Pack Hemi '69 Charger convertible?

[mikesbbody]

Mike, is there a possiblity that this person was confusing it for  a 1970 Challenger R/T. I believe they came with a 383. Somebody with more E-body knowledge may chime in.

Larry

Larry, you could be right or he's confusing it with a non rt charger in which case the 383 was a option.

[1FastCharger]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

Wait, he had a 383 Six Pack Hemi '69 Charger convertible?

YUP! Oh I forgot to mention is was a factory experimental Hemi with dual overhead cams.

[A383Wing]

YUP! Oh I forgot to mention is was a factory experimental Hemi with dual overhead cams.

There was that engine made.....can't find the picture right now....someone else probably can get it posted before me.

Bryan

[Chad L. Magee]

Bryan-  I think I heard in a magazine that it was in the KC area.  426 DOHC, nice ring to it eh?  Ford had the 427 DOHC earlier on in the era.....

[kab69440]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

That is f'n GOLDEN, dude! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

[69bronzeT5]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

Wait, he had a 383 Six Pack Hemi '69 Charger convertible?

YUP!

wow...........................................................

[Ghoste]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

That is f'n GOLDEN, dude! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

And yet, so very familiar. 

[moparstuart]

Bryan-  I think I heard in a magazine that it was in the KC area.  426 DOHC, nice ring to it eh?  Ford had the 427 DOHC earlier on in the era.....

yes it is alive and well here in KC but not in a car !

[1FastCharger]

Actually, that was a culmination of stories I have heard over the years. Thought it would be funny to roll it all into one.

[Magnumcharger]

And you were right!
But you forgot the 3/4 cam.

[1FastCharger]

And you were right!
But you forgot the 3/4 cam.

Naa.....he had big bucks so he got the WHOLE cam. 

[mikesbbody]

Don't forget the 383 Six Pack Hemi. A guy I knew 30 years ago had a friend that had one in his '69 Charger. He worked for Dodge and they special built it for him. He was the son of some corporate high up. It was really fast. I remember it running 7.30s in the quarter mile at 150mph. Top speed was over 200. He had it going so fast one time that the speedo needle was all the way around and back up to 30 mph.  Later he put twin turbos on it and blew the five speed out of it. I told him he should have been double clutching it. He had to put in a transmission out of a Mack to hold all the power. Finally he traded it in when gas got expensive in the 70's. The dealer gave him big bucks for it because it was such a rare car being a convertible and all.

well some people would actually believe you and im sure the guy i mentioned would be one of them 

[2Gunz]

What about 427 Hemi I hear so much about.

[PocketThunder]

And you were right!
But you forgot the 3/4 cam.

Naa.....he had big bucks so he got the WHOLE cam. 

                       

[pettyfan43]

383 R/T? Challenger YES , Charger and Coronet NOPE!

[A383Wing]

OK....here is the DOHC Hemi.....sorry to hijack thread.

Bryan

[mikesbbody]

pettyfan, that's possibly what he was thinking? A383wing dont apoligise, i was very interested to see that pic of the DOHC hemi. But im guessing...that's no street motor  high compression, big h.p and torque a shame it wasnt to be.

[472 R/T SE]

Yep, in the '70 Challenger R/T, the 383 was the base option motor.  Someone most likely got their Charger & Challenger bodies mixed up.

The dude said it was all 2nd generation Chargers so I doubt they were thinking e body.  Just lack of correct knowledge & denial.

[mikesbbody]

Yep, in the '70 Challenger R/T, the 383 was the base option motor.  Someone most likely got their Charger & Challenger bodies mixed up.

yeah, i agree it just annoyed me since i satrted to doubt myself!  which is why i posted just incase i was wrong.

[Mike DC]

 
You guys are forgetting about the "Challenger" option on '70 Chargers.  The rare 1970 Charger Challenger R/T Rallye with the Tri-motor 413 Hemi. 


I had one back in the day.  Richard Petty himself wanted to buy it from me but I wouldn't sell.

[mikesbbody]

 
You guys are forgetting about the "Challenger" option on '70 Chargers.  The rare 1970 Charger Challenger R/T Rallye with the Tri-motor 413 Hemi. 


I had one back in the day.  Richard Petty himself wanted to buy it from me but I wouldn't sell.

I thought i was the only one with that rare optioned e body 

[Ghoste]

Hah!  I had one but it was a 69.  Rare prototype version and it was Chrysler that wanted to buy mine cuz they accidentally left a carb on there that helped me 72 mpg effortlessly.  They tried to force to sell it to them by saying that I should have never been able to find a secret prototype e body Charger like that in the first place but I threatened to sue them and tell the world about the carb so they backed off.

[70 Charger RT]

Here's a pic of the VIN on my 70 RT /6. (it's actually a factory mistake, the car had a 440 in it when my brother bought the car new).

[moparstuart]

OK....here is the DOHC Hemi.....sorry to hijack thread.

Bryan

I read an artical once about a one off proto type chrysler Ball stud hemi that dick landy owned ? what the difference ? between these ?

[Mike DC]

The early 70s "ball stud Hemi" actually would have been cool if it had been produced. 

It was the propsed next step in the big block Hemi development.  Basically coming up with a way to put Hemi-ish heads onto a standard 440 wedge block without all the 426H drawbacks.  The weight/width of the cylinder head castings, the head-bolt situation on the block, etc.  It wouldn't have been quite as powerful as the 426 Hemi, but it would probably have made it into a couple hundred thousand cars/trucks in the 70s/80s and it would have been virtually as streetable as the wedge motors.

 

[moparstuart]

The early 70s "ball stud Hemi" actually would have been cool if it had been produced. 

It was the propsed next step in the big block Hemi development.  Basically coming up with a way to put Hemi-ish heads onto a standard 440 wedge block without all the 426H drawbacks.  The weight/width of the cylinder head castings, the head-bolt situation on the block, etc.  It wouldn't have been quite as powerful as the 426 Hemi, but it would probably have made it into a couple hundred thousand cars/trucks in the 70s/80s and it would have been virtually as streetable as the wedge motors.

 

great for some reason i was thinking it was DOHC also , guess i terrible memory was mixing the two up.   thanks for the info