Challenger SRT8 MSRP pricing announcement from Chrysler - $37,995

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Its official, and a good price point:

http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=7502&mid=1

...But it is before "Market Adjustment" price gouging by dealership trolls. 

XS

[WINGMAN]

  I cant wait   I just so happen to work for a Dodge Dealership and can have first crack at the one we will get, Might trade in the Daytona.    Jay

[69bronzeT5]

$37,995.....hmmm, I was expecting more. When it first came out as a concept, I was thinking it would sell for about $50k not including taxes and etc etc.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

  I cant wait   I just so happen to work for a Dodge Dealership and can have first crack at the one we will get, Might trade in the Daytona.    Jay

Expect PMs from Troy (Hemi68Charger), Danny (69500), and several dozen other members even though you were just kidding! 

Allen

[bull]

$37,995.....hmmm, I was expecting more. When it first came out as a concept, I was thinking it would sell for about $50k not including taxes and etc etc.

You almost sound disappointed.

[69bronzeT5]

No, thats good!

[68charger383]

Sad thing, that is about the MSRP price for a Shelby Mustang....which I don't think has ever been sold for under $50K

OK, so maybe I won't get an 09 Challenger...maybe a 2010

[chargerman68]

man i wish i had the money for that one.maybe 2010

[69_500]

Did I hear someone trading in a Daytona  I'll trade you two of the new Challengers for that Daytona Jay.  Have plenty of connections that would make it possible to pick up 2 in any color you choose, and heck I'll even do the right thing and bring them to you. 

[The70RT]

When it is 10 or 15 years old and wore out then maybe I could afford one..........

[TruckDriver]

When it is 10 or 15 years old and wore out then maybe I could afford one..........

Pretty much the same goes for me. Either that, or IF I would get lucky and win the lottery

[Silver R/T]

When it is 10 or 15 years old and wore out then maybe I could afford one..........

I wouldn't bet on that one. We probably will be hovering over the road in nuclear powered 2 seat vehicles. In best case scenario gas will be $25 a gallon

[bzabodyn]

Did I hear someone trading in a Daytona  I'll trade you two of the new Challengers for that Daytona Jay.  Have plenty of connections that would make it possible to pick up 2 in any color you choose, and heck I'll even do the right thing and bring them to you. 

Just 2? Heck, I'll give you three - one of each color just so you don't have to make a decision! 

BZ

[RD]

that is just the SRT8.. I wonder what the base model one will go for?

look at pic... looks like $40K msrp to me

[Brock Samson]

 over at ALLPAR i asked and was told, there will be a $25K base model Avail. one year from today... they said it would slot just under the base Charger,.. To me that seems pretty optimistic...
  If i'm tempted by any new car i'd do a two yr. lease return  just like i scored my 300 M in '01. paid $15K for a car that listed $32.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

that is just the SRT8.. I wonder what the base model one will go for?

look at pic... looks like $40K msrp to me

$37,995 MSRP plus $2,100 Gas Guzzler Tax = $40,095 total price...  I believe base & R/T model pricing will be VERY competitive also!

XS

[dukeboy_318]

still not a bad price considering the hype about it. if they can produce enough of them, prices will go down.  heck the dealer here has three chargers 07s for less than 20k, all base models, but still not a bad price

[Old Moparz]

Other than the gross display of greed with the dealer mark up, that price isn't totally outrageous. That doesn't mean I can afford it, but my Dodge Ram had a sticker of $36K & I got it as a leftover for $23K. Don't forget there will be a handful of car buyers that are not car enthusiasts. These people will just get one because they can afford it & have to be the first one on their block to drive it because it's new. After a couple of years they'll move onto whatever else is the new fad, & they'll sell off the SRT/8 just like a used car with a depreciation on it that will make it an affordable used car. Anyone remember the stupidity involving the Buick GNX back in the 80's?

I seriously doubt you'll see these as cheap leftovers the following year, but a low mileage, previously owned, & only driven on sunny day Challengers will be available at some point.

[SnoPro440]

I agree with Old Moparz.  I think it may be a little like the SRT-10 Ram.  The sticker on those when they came out was 48-54K.  I bought mine after all the hype and paid 35K for it.  Now granted, not everyone wanted a viper truck but I think once the cool factor wore off, the prices went way down.  I'm sure gas prices had something to do with it too.

[triple_green]

I'm waiting for the convertible and a 500 pound weight drop..........

[68charger383]

I'm waiting for the convertible and a 500 pound weight drop..........

Your gonna need the 500 lb reduction if you want a vert

Any news from the GM boys....we can't just smoke Mustangs all day....thats no fun

• A Mustang GT Convertible with a manual
transmission weighs only 256 pounds(1)
more than a GT Coupe with a manual
transmission

[moparstuart]

I'm waiting for the convertible and a 500 pound weight drop..........

me too with a hemi and a shaker

[moparstuart]

I'm waiting for the convertible and a 500 pound weight drop..........

Your gonna need the 500 lb reduction if you want a vert

Any news from the GM boys....we can't just smoke Mustangs all day....thats no fun

• A Mustang GT Convertible with a manual
transmission weighs only 256 pounds(1)
more than a GT Coupe with a manual
transmission

Camaro was supposed to be out in Fall 08 but got moved to Winter 09 I was told.  So you think you will be beating up Camaro's do you?  Hmmm   (past big block Camaro owner)

sorry about your bad luck owning camaro , but nice to know you have come back from the dark side 

[Brock Samson]

FYI:

[bull]

I might have to partially agree with Silver on this one. I'm starting to think this Challenger deal could very well go by way of the Prowler. When is the last time you saw a Prowler in person or for sale? Well, other than Ebay. I don't think I've seen one in probably 6 or 7 years. I hope that doesn't happen here but the pessimist in me can't help but think the last affordable and abundant Mopar muscle cars rolled off the line in '74.

[69bronzeT5]

When is the last time you saw a Prowler in person

last week  . Well as long as I see a new Challenger in person, take some pics of it and get my picture taken with it, then I'm happy.

[bull]

You're lucky. I never see jack squat around here except at car shows. Still I've never seen a prowler at any of the shows.

(Knuckleheads should have put a V8 in them )

[Brock Samson]

unfortunalty it was after the greman takeover that that got done with the older 4.7 engine.. the car was originally developed for the six, and all development was stopped on rear wheel drive v-8s by the time the prowler got underway...
but check this puppy out..
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/howler/howler_drive4.html

[oldcarnut]

I talked with two dealers today about the Challenger order pricing and both said that if I didn't plan to pay 10 - 15k minimum over sticker that I may as well forget it  .  They're just about going to take the highest bidders first for the orders.  I replied in as nice as a way that I could manage that I would wait for a while and would not be buying it from them when I did  .  I have no problem driving my 70 Chally as my second everyday main transportation now anyways and I only have about $5500 in it from some trading around and not $55,000.

[Ghoste]

Nice, maybe the dealers will be able to kill it the way the Ford dealers did with the last Thunderbird.
You know, there were even some idiots who paying above sticker for the "privilege" of being the first PT Cruiser owners too. 

[69charger2002]

Nice, maybe the dealers will be able to kill it the way the Ford dealers did with the last Thunderbird.
You know, there were even some idiots who paying above sticker for the "privilege" of being the first PT Cruiser owners too. 

very true. i remember those days i was laughing at the people paying over sticker for PT's.. it will be that way with the challenger.. but after the rich and famous and desperate get their hands on them and after a few months the fad fades, the die hards with normal working jobs(90% of us on this board) will then be able to own one.. and we won't care that the fad has faded by then, we'll just be glad to FINALLY get a RWD 2 DOOR muscle retro car from detriot in modern day. think about it, 10 years ago we didn't think this day would ever happen.. what's a few extra months gonna hurt now??
trav

[Ghoste]

You're right, hell, two years ago I didn't think this day would happen.

[68charger383]

I talked with two dealers today about the Challenger order pricing and both said that if I didn't plan to pay 10 - 15k minimum over sticker that I may as well forget it 

I heard the same thing when I went to check on the SRT8 Charger when they were first going to take orders a few years back..."that car will set you back about $55K when it comes out"

I would anticipate the Mustang being severely discounted by Ford to keep/steal market share from the potential buyer pool. I think this will help our cause in having Dodge fight back by flooding the market in 2009 with the new Challengers.

[Ghoste]

With them only being available as a high performance model and CAFE standards being what they are, I wouldn't count too much on Dodge flooding the market with cheap Challengers.  CAFE standards are likely to get tougher soon besides.  Top it all off with the fact that performance buyers are a niche market and a small one (despite what Mustang sales may lead us to believe) especially compared to the family car/minivan market which is where the big money is. 

[Brock Samson]

i was offered $6K off a SRT cedan two days ago... $10k off a crossfire Fri. more off if i was wiiling to trade the 300 on the spot. 

[SeattleCharger]

dealer in bellevue had the SRT8 charger at 50K,  marked up over the msrp

[Ghoste]

Did anyone bite on it at that price?

[SeattleCharger]

Did anyone bite on it at that price?

I don't know, haven't been back there, that was this summer.   That was on the dealer sticker in the window. 50K
  He said they had it marked up like that because of the demand though.  Could have been the sales pitch.   

[kamkuda]

I think we will have on in our driveway at some point.      May not be the first ones off the line, maybe in the 2nd year if demand is too crazy.

[HeavyFuel]

Even if I did have the 50-60 large for the '08, I would be skepical about getting one.  All I have seen is the concept, and look what happened to the Charger between '99 and production.

[Ghoste]

The difference here is that the barely disguised prototypes have been widely photographed being tested in a number of locations.  There was also a platform change, a regime change, a stylistic trend change, a corporate philosophy change, and a need to fill a market segment with a marketing approved name as quickly as possible.  I think the Challenger is going to be delivered very very close to what the concept promises.

[Troy]

Speaking of dealers, I was at one a few weeks ago and they had a used 2007 Charger SRT-8 (red). I think it had about 18k miles and they had $43k on the window. I pointed out to the salesman that I could buy a new one for several thousand dollars less and his response was "that's just a number". I told him I wouldn't be buying anything from his dealership and he could explain that to his boss. I suppose they could give you $5k off and argue that it's a great deal (or trying to catch a sucker who doesn't know any better).

Troy

[ACUDANUT]

  Put a Viper engine in it and maybe 38,000 won't sound so bad.  I hope all those dealers who want to mark it up 10K go broke. Serves them right.

[Brock Samson]

more specifics on the chally here..
wwwallpar.com

http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=98886

[keepat]

Just placed my order for a 08 Challenger, Hemi orange with all three options!
Upgraded tires $50
Nav system $800
Sunroof $950
My cost less tax & tags $41,985
Shelby GT 500 for sale this spring
Pat

[89MOPAR]

Other than the gross display of greed with the dealer mark up, that price isn't totally outrageous. That doesn't mean I can afford it, but my Dodge Ram had a sticker of $36K & I got it as a leftover for $23K. Don't forget there will be a handful of car buyers that are not car enthusiasts. These people will just get one because they can afford it & have to be the first one on their block to drive it because it's new. After a couple of years they'll move onto whatever else is the new fad, & they'll sell off the SRT/8 just like a used car with a depreciation on it that will make it an affordable used car. Anyone remember the stupidity involving the Buick GNX back in the 80's?

I seriously doubt you'll see these as cheap leftovers the following year, but a low mileage, previously owned, & only driven on sunny day Challengers will be available at some point.

Usually I agree with what you write OldMoparz but I think you are way off on this one......... IF a person can afford to pay more than sticker price, or pay the dealer their markup, in order to get one of the first vehicles of that type - Then they are an Enthusiast !   Because an enthusiast will pay more, perhaps he is More dedicated.  Lets face it, the auto manufacturers want to sell cars to people who buy one new, at MSRP.   Their primary target customer is not the fellow who waits two years and 30K miles to buy a used car so he can pay 1/2 price.
  If he is not an enthusiast, why is "the rich guy" buying a specific car when it first comes out ?   If he doesn't care what he drives, then it doesn't matter that he gets it new.  If he just wants to impress, than he can buy a big diamond, or an island, or a indoor pool.  Rich people do not impress other rich people with a 40K car.
Just because a buyer has more $$ than the majority of us, doesn't exclude him from being an enthusiast.  If he sells the car after two years to buy a different car, it doesn't mean he doesn't love cars, it means he wants something different, a new thrill.
     

[Ghoste]

But by the same token, having lots of money and wanting to show it by paying whatever it takes to "be the first on your block to own one" doesn't automatically make him an enthusiast either.  No doubt, some are, but many are also just showing off. 

[Chatt69chgr]

Selling cars is the modern version of horse and mule trading.  No difference.  You try to get as much as you can.  Read Ben K. Green's excellent book "Horse-Tradin" if you want to see how it was done.  When these cars first show up, there will be a significant number of folks that will pay whatever they have to to get one.  I read somewhere that last year, 1% of the people in the US got about 21% of all the money and that 50% of the people got around 13% of all the money.  Those 1% may not care what the car costs------they just want one.  So they will be the driving factor in setting the price for a while.  I think you will have to wait maybe 6 months after they come out in regular production for the dust to settle.  That would be around Feb/Mar of 2009.  It'll be cold then, nobody will want to go out, we will probably be right in the middle of the housing debacle, nobody will have any money, and who knows what else will be going on.  They will probably kiss your rear to buy one then.  If not, wait 6 more months.  The wow factor should have worn off by then and you should be able to get one at a good price.  I read somewhere that Chrysler was buying lots of high impact colors.  I figure they will do what they have done with the Charger and come out with several "special" models, ie, different color with historic name attached, and probably limit production on each of these to 3000 or so cars kind of like they did the Rumblebee trucks.  Those will probably go higher but I figure there will be plenty of std models available at a good price to us that are not members of the fortunate 1%.  But get one no matter what because I really believe this is the end of the line for a rear drive V8 powered sports car made in America (or Canada in this case). 

[Magnumcharger]

Pre-orders taken on ebay:
"Notice that this auction is for how much over MSRP you are willing to pay for the new Challenger".


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-Dodge-Challenger-SRT8-Build-to-your-Specs_W0QQitemZ140186829650QQihZ004QQcategoryZ6198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And check out the factory brochure!!
Look at that gas cap!! Awesome!!

[Magnumcharger]

More

[68charger383]

But by the same token, having lots of money and wanting to show by paying whatever it takes to "be the first on your block to own one"

Some people make $15K, $20K or $25K + a month and that extra $15K over MSRP to them would be like asking most of us having to pay an extra $1,500 on the car.  To them its not a big deal.

People have been paying this premium on the Shelbys for two years now! Bottomline, people in their 30-60s with to much disposable income or equity in their houses can be dangerous if left unattended in dealerships where these toys are sold!

I honestly don't think I would want the first run/year on these cars. I think they will really come out with a lot of new factory options to the car over the course of the first and second year. Shaker hood, T/A hood and spoiler, vert, 426 Hemi?? etc

[The70RT]

I agree. Most people that bite have a household income of a couple hundered thousand a year and won't blink an eye.

[keepat]

The brochure looks great! Note that the grill and the wheels have changed but still look good! No interior pictures

[Brock Samson]

tail lights have been changed too, not to mention it's no longer a hard top... 

[Old Moparz]

Usually I agree with what you write OldMoparz but I think you are way off on this one......... IF a person can afford to pay more than sticker price, or pay the dealer their markup, in order to get one of the first vehicles of that type - Then they are an Enthusiast !   Because an enthusiast will pay more, perhaps he is More dedicated.  Lets face it, the auto manufacturers want to sell cars to people who buy one new, at MSRP.   Their primary target customer is not the fellow who waits two years and 30K miles to buy a used car so he can pay 1/2 price.
  If he is not an enthusiast, why is "the rich guy" buying a specific car when it first comes out ?   If he doesn't care what he drives, then it doesn't matter that he gets it new.  If he just wants to impress, than he can buy a big diamond, or an island, or a indoor pool.  Rich people do not impress other rich people with a 40K car.
Just because a buyer has more $$ than the majority of us, doesn't exclude him from being an enthusiast.  If he sells the car after two years to buy a different car, it doesn't mean he doesn't love cars, it means he wants something different, a new thrill.

No problem disagreeing, but I don't think I'm way off at all. I've met a lot of people with enough money to buy a car like this, & they are completely clueless when it comes to anything automotive. They won't care if it's a Dodge, Ford, GM, or any other make, just as long as it's brand new & the only one of it's kind when they get it. They are not close to being a car enthusiast by any means, & are much more interested in impressing others. These people I refer to are not "rich people" either, just people with a better than average income, or credit good enough to lease it. (And some of these Challengers will be leased.)

I don't understand the reasoning of how these people could be called as "enthusiasts", or that they are "more dedicated" because they are willing to pay more than what something is worth. Myself, as well as friends, yourself, & other members on the message boards, are way more dedicated to a car & should be considered the enthusiast. That doesn't mean people with a lot of money can't be enthusiasts, & I never said that either. What I stated was, "Don't forget there will be a handful of car buyers that are not car enthusiasts." referring to a percentage of the new Challenger buyers, not all of them.

[andy74]

in my defense,as a dealer if some one comes in to buy a car,and they want to pay 10 grand under sticker,we are supposed to accept that,but when there is ANY car that someone is willing to pay over sticker for we are the rip off artists?dealers dont create the market,consumers do and I wouldnt pay over sticker for most cars,but I did spend 5 grand over for a shelby supercharged mustang at the auction 6 months ago,and had it sold before i got back from the auction.

in short, i personaly wouldnt buy anything for over msrp,but on the flip side most people wont pay msrp anyway-and when i can order a 40,000 plus car and have some one just not argue about paying what is on the window i will probably be happy,keeping in mind that the mark up in the srt 8 challenger is about 1800 from sticker to invoice,less 900 hold back,so the store makes less than 10% on a 41 grand investment!!

not trying to argue,just make a point besides the one on my head!  

[hotrod98]

I wonder why they show the concept grille in some of the pics from the brochure and one pic of the correct 70 style grille that the production car will have. The car is supposed to be two inches narrower as well.
The thing that impressed me the most about the car when I saw it at the SEMA show is the size. That car is huge. Appeared much bigger than a Mustang. I had always assumed that it would be smaller. It's definitely as big as my 71 Cuda.

[Brock Samson]

it's based on the 300 magnum chargum LX platform imagine if your '71 was based on a new yorker... 

[Magnumcharger]

From "thefirehousebiz.com"

Dodge Challenger

What has muscle cars fans squealing like teenage girls at a Hannah Montana concert?

Try the all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8®. Just in the first DAY of orders, more than 4,300 people plunked down a deposit for the American muscle coupe. And more than 6,000 have made deposits with dealers since orders opened on Monday, months before the limited-edition Challenger SRT8 goes into production.

"This is unprecedented," said Mark Mallie, Challenger Brand Manager – Dodge Marketing. "Customers were actually coming to us and pushing us, so we thought this was a good time to take pre-sale orders."

Orders are still coming in – long before enthusiasts have even seen the car. They'll have to wait until the production Dodge Challenger SRT8 makes its debut at the Chicago Auto Show next February. But there's no surprise about the benchmark performance of the Challenger SRT8. Each is powered by a 6.1-liter HEMI V-8, and features a numbered dash plaque, plus dual "carbon-fiber" hood stripes that harken back to the original Dodge Challenger.

The car is available in black, silver or HEMI orange.

"More than half of the orders are HEMI Orange," Mallie said. "It's been almost 35 years since the last Challenger, and there's a lot of interest. There's a lot of people anxious for it. It's certainly an iconic muscle car."

The manufacturer's suggested retail price is $37,995, including a $675 destination fee. Remember – this is a SRT, delivering top-of-the-line performance, world-class ride and handling, benchmark braking and a race-inspired interior. Pricing on the rest of the Challenger lineup will be announced at a later date.

Since pricing was announced on Nov. 29, Web site traffic to www.Dodge.com has spiked up 23 percent, Mallie said.

The muscle car wars start next spring, when deliveries begin for the Challenger SRT8.

But later this week, muscle car fans will have more to squeal about, when we release some eye candy. Check back here later.

   
Comments (6) 

  Reader Comments   

  1.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 2:36 PM by Justin Berkowitz
Is there a corporate policy on dealer markups? There are already eBay auctions set up by dealers asking for $15,000 over sticker, and certainly showroom markups are in the future when cars begin to be delivered.

Does pre-ordering lock in the MSRP without markup? Or does it merely guarantee a customer a Challenger, and the rest is in the dealer's hands? 
  2.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 2:55 PM by Gene Downs
Will any of these cars be available in right hand drive for foreign delivery, what will be the sticker price. 
  3.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 3:39 PM by Dan Whydra
Unfortunately, no RHD models are planned. This was announced quite awhile ago. 
  4.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 4:47 PM by Mike Ellis
Hey Justin Berokwitz, to answer your question, here's what I got from Kathy Graham, our pr specialist on the Challenger. She said that Chrysler set the Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price on the Challenger, and strongly encourages dealers to follow that. But dealers are independent businesses and they legally set their own pricing. Chrysler encourages consumers to shop around for the best deal available, if some are charging above MSRP. Remember too that this is just the 2008 model. Stay tuned for orders for 2009 models. 
  5.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 5:4 PM by Richard Ehrenberg
Will there be any manual transmission versions for 2008? 
  6.  Posted Dec 5, 2007, 5:6 PM by Mike Ellis

The 2008 Challenger SRT8 will have a five-speed automatic with Autostick. Stay tuned for info on the 2009 models.

[89MOPAR]

 I see your point OldMoparz,  Maybe I was using the term "enthusiast" too freely.  A person who drives past an old car without noticing, or caring, is not an enthusiast. Most people who drive a Camry are not an enthusiast.

But what about a guy who has been working overtime for a year, he may be willing to pay more than MSRP just to be the first on the block with that kind of car. In that case he is not "rich", but he allocates more money than most would to own something.  What i meant to do was point out that all folks with above average incomes are not out to "impress" everyone else- and if they are they'd probably buy a Prius or RollsRoyce

of course what something is "worth" is all relative to the buyer.  A guy may pay $1000 for a NOS grille, where a 2nd guy thinks that is too much and is happy with his reproduced $500 made in China grille. Guy # 3 may not care at all, since he doesn't need or want a grille. And guy # 4 may be willing to pay $2000 for that same NOS grille because he has been looking for two years for one.

I didn't see anyone giving our fellow member who just bought the Shelby Mustang a hard time for admittedly paying a markup of more than MSRP...........

[RT DAVE]

Basic supply and demand going on here people.  That's what makes america great.  If you don't like it, don't you and everyone else buy it and maybe the price will go down.  Also, some people live life like there's no tomorrow.  Maybe there ain't.   Kudos to them for grabbin life by the horns... 

Anyhow, my dealer claims there will be no markup on there one car they are getting.  They had a list of about 30 people I coulda got behind.  I declined.  I can wait, I'm young and allegedly healthy (and stingy)

Looks good in black and silver.  I think I'm going to puke if I see it in hemi orange again...

I hope the pic from the rear is the concept.  I hate it.   If it's like that on the real thing, that alone will stop me from buying.  UGLY!!   

[hotrod98]

The mopar rep at the SEMA show told me that the bumpers would be different on the production model to meet impact requirements but a kit from Dodge would be available to convert it to the concept look.
Not sure whether or not that has changed.
Of course there are dozens of companies already working on body kits for these things as we speak, I'm sure.

[T3/RT]

The mopar rep at the SEMA show told me that the bumpers would be different on the production model to meet impact requirements but a kit from Dodge would be available to convert it to the concept look.
Not sure whether or not that has changed.
Of course there are dozens of companies already working on body kits for these things as we speak, I'm sure.

Chrysler will outsource HXC(Charger,Challenger,Cuda) cy09 Built on the Challengers new platform with light weight skin. Talk of a new division for heritage badging. So it seems we will have more to talk about buying then just the Challenger. And thats a good problem to have.

[Magnumcharger]

"Talk of a new division for heritage badging".

Plymouth?

[ACUDANUT]

 Why would they have to outsource?  Don't tell me they are going to use China.

[FastbackJon]

I just want to test drive one, and I don't like the B-pillar either! I wonder if my local dealership has the brochures yet. Hmm....

[Brock Samson]

more pics here.. well,.. same pics, just better quality.

http://www.fpistudios.com/SRT8/

[keepat]

   

[RD]

Why would they have to outsource?  Don't tell me they are going to use China.

outsource to a privatized company rather than doing them in house, like the daytonas were outsourced as well as sunroof and some convertible mods were.

[moparstuart]

"Talk of a new division for heritage badging".

Plymouth?

plymouth

[bandit67]

Is it true that it weights in at 4500 pounds.......

[Ghoste]

I have a photo of a tag on the rad cradle from one of the concepts (I understand there were more than one?) that lists the vehicle weight as 4160 lbs.  That's the concept car though.

[hotrod98]

By the time they beef up those bumpers, they're going to have to work hard to remove weight from somewhere else to keep the weight at 4160.
Maybe that's why they're narrowing the entire car up by two inches.