Does someone knows Luedtke Auto Group IL ?

[Streetmaster]

Hi Guys i am in dicussion with Hans from Luedtke Auto Group from IL, about build me a 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Clone Tripple Back with all new Stuff. I allready have buy two cars from him, but they were not so expensive. And the work he does was exeptible but not perfect.
This car must be in a verry good condition, without any rust at all. Price $ 32K

Does smeboddy have more experience with this dealer?

I hope someone could give me a possitive answer, that would help for my dessision.

[Rocky]

You don't want anything to do with those scammers.  Just to a search of the sight under HLPAG or Luedtke and you will see.  Better yet, here is a link to a good thread.
 
  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,3692.0.html

[69bronzeT5]

I hope someone could give me a possitive answer,

Dude, search up HLPAG in the search box. They have screwed over alot of people. For example, a member here bought a 69 R/T from them. It turned out to be completley different from their description. When he got it, he found out the trunk floor was screwed, the rear frame rails were screwed, the quarter panels were screwed and there was even a patch job on the front floor..the patch looked like concrete!!!


Dont deal with them

[Streetmaster]

Ok, thank you guys. I think this is almost criminal what they do.

But i do not know, where i can buy now a 1968 dodge Charger RT Clone Tripple Black in a verry good condition.

[69bronzeT5]

Well you wont get a 'very good' conditioned Charger from them. Most of their General Lee's have alot of bondo in them so chances are, if they built you a car, it would have bondo


"I allready have buy two cars from him,"..wait, have you already bought cars from them?

[Streetmaster]

Yes i did. the first was a 1970 dodge charger 440 plum crazy for about $14K
The second was a 1968 dodge Charger Rt 4-speed/ Yellow for $ 17K
And the third was a 1969 General Lee for $ 25K
And all of them had some rusty spots and some parts were missing too. but none had big problems with bondos or something like that.
The last one wasen't Level, but i had to change the front suspension.

I thout, it would be on the depense how mutch i spend for the car. If i am going to spend more money for it it proprebly should be in a better condition. Now i made a contract by myself, with every details in it. I told him, that i do not exept his usual contract with " This vehicle is sold AS-IS NO Warranty!!!
I did not exept this contract. He have signed my contract with all details description. But i did not wire the Money Yet. If this car would be in a bad condition, i have the chance to get a lawyer to chatch him.
I am suppost to wirde the money on Thuseday next week. I do not know what to do now.

[69bronzeT5]

Well I wouldnt deal with them. They are bad news but thats just my opinion

[Streetmaster]

I have to think about, i still have time till Thuseday. I will post my desission.

Do you know a other Charger builder who could build a 1968 dodge Charger Rt Clone with a 383, Tripple black for me? For $ 32K?

[69bronzeT5]

Do you know a other Charger builder who could build a 1968 dodge Charger Rt Clone with a 383, Tripple black for me? For $ 32K?

Honestley no but somebody else here might

[Streetmaster]

If someboddy else could give me a good adress, i would be more then HAPPY.

[AKcharger]

Yes i did. the first was a 1970 dodge charger 440 plum crazy for about $14K
The second was a 1968 dodge Charger Rt 4-speed/ Yellow for $ 17K
And the third was a 1969 General Lee for $ 25K

Hey Street master...help me out here. If you've already bought 3 cars from him why are you asking?  Your experience should be a lot better guide than a bunch of anonymous people on this board.  If you got a good deal one the first three then buy the 4th...if you got ripped off on three don't buy another one.

If you are sincere than I apologize if I sound rude but this sure sounds like a "baited" question.

[Streetmaster]

Yes you're right, the only thing is i wasn't realy happy with the first three cars, but i do not find any other dealer who could find or sell cars at this prices.

I am from switzerland, and i do not have many good contacts where i could ask for. The only choises i have is to look at Ebay or thru  Intenet/ Google.

[blackcharger]

Hi Guys i am in dicussion with Hans from Luedtke Auto Group from IL, about build me a 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Clone Tripple Back with all new Stuff. I allready have buy two cars from him, but they were not so expensive. And the work he does was exeptible but not perfect.
This car must be in a verry good condition, without any rust at all. Price $ 32K

Does smeboddy have more experience with this dealer?

I hope someone could give me a possitive answer, that would help for my dessision.

unless you like a body totaly rusted, covered in gallons of bondo, frames that look like swiss cheese, rattle can black under the hood, fresh paint on a junk yard engine, then you probably shouldn't buy from them. If you do, enjoy your new "Father-Son " project. YEEEE Haaaaaaawww!!

[RT DAVE]

I smell a troll...   

[Ghoste]

A really big one too.  Wasn't there a nearly identical post to this about a year ago?

[RT DAVE]

A really big one too.  Wasn't there a nearly identical post to this about a year ago?

I think one of the a-holes from there has too much time on their hands (like me but not me) and they always start a thread like this.  Of course, ten million people here on this site fall for it.   How many other dealers have posts on this site every 3-4 months with a subject heading like "what do you know about hplag"  or "am i gonna get screwed by this rinky dink, rattle can  resto shop in Lake Villa IL"?   Hmm....   

[6pkrunner]

I smell a troll...   

I'd say we have a winner.

[six-tee-nine]

"Run forest run"


And when your name aint Forest......well run anyway and the faster the better

[bmoparmofo]

I smell a troll...   

[Troy]

Geez guys, calm down and just answer the question. Why is it so easy to blast every new person that joins the site? At least make an attempt to get some proof before throwing accusations.

Yeah, I know I have a lot more member information at my disposal but, come on, have a little faith.

Honestly Streetmaster, it's going to be difficult to find what you are looking for based on your specifications. It's my assumption that you are a broker and this is for a customer over there. Am I correct? Unfortunately, you may have to take what you can get from wherever you can get it but I'd really hate to see you get taken for a whole lot of money on this one. If you want a car built there are other places that will do a much better job.

Troy

[bull]

Many people here have had at least some indirect dealings with HLPAG, a few have had direct dealings with them and none of those that I know of walked away happy. My only direct dealings with them was with a guy named Patrick (apparently HLPAG's one-time PR director ) who used to come here and tell us how stupid we all were because we refused to buy their junk. While he was here we took the opportunity to point out HLPAG's shabby workmanship, atrocious customer service, midnight fly-and-bye delivery drops and after-the-sale service that basically equates to an extension of Hans's middle finger.

In your case I'd thank my lucky stars you managed to get two semi-decent cars from them that both stayed in one piece long enough to roll 50-yards down the street under their own power.

[RT DAVE]

I have to think about, i still have time till Thuseday. I will post my desission.

Do you know a other Charger builder who could build a 1968 dodge Charger Rt Clone with a 383, Tripple black for me? For $ 32K?

I know tons of people and I'm sure alot of the old timers (sorry guys) know tons of people too.  My dad restored my car and I can guaranty you it is better quality work than what they are willing to do for that price.  I'll even put a show quality black paint job on my 68 and sell to you for $35K if you pay shipping and put a down payment down.  It's not a 383 clone, however, it's a real deal 68 RT with a stout 440 Mag.  Sorry, it's an automatic.  Where they going to do your's as a 4 sp?  My offer stands to anybody else on this board too, by the way.   

[RT DAVE]

Geez guys, calm down and just answer the question. Why is it so easy to blast every new person that joins the site? At least make an attempt to get some proof before throwing accusations.

Yeah, I know I have a lot more member information at my disposal but, come on, have a little faith.

Honestly Streetmaster, it's going to be difficult to find what you are looking for based on your specifications. It's my assumption that you are a broker and this is for a customer over there. Am I correct? Unfortunately, you may have to take what you can get from wherever you can get it but I'd really hate to see you get taken for a whole lot of money on this one. If you want a car built there are other places that will do a much better job.

Troy

I guess you've already checked his IP address and stuff of that nature.   Aren't you a bit suspect when people inquire about hlpag?  Haven't they done things like this before (the troll thing)?   

[RT DAVE]

Hi Guys i am in dicussion with Hans from Luedtke Auto Group from IL, about build me a 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Clone Tripple Back with all new Stuff. I allready have buy two cars from him, but they were not so expensive. And the work he does was exeptible but not perfect.
This car must be in a verry good condition, without any rust at all. Price $ 32K

Does smeboddy have more experience with this dealer?

I hope someone could give me a possitive answer, that would help for my dessision.

Oh Yeah, If you've already done business with them why do you need to ask about their work and pricing?   All new stuff?  That isn't even possible unless he's using NOS for alot of parts.  If that's the case I'll take all the new parts for that price.   

[Streetmaster]

Hi RT Dave
I may be interetsed, could you please send me some closer and good detail pic's? interior, under carriage, etc.
Automatic is ok, no problem.

[Troy]

I guess you've already checked his IP address and stuff of that nature.   Aren't you a bit suspect when people inquire about hlpag?  Haven't they done things like this before (the troll thing)?   

Yes but, more often than not, people inquiring about HLPAG have already bought a car and are then doing research because they feel they've been screwed. Of course they are called trolls and run off the site before they even get a chance to explain. Once in a while a more savvy buyer will research first yet they get the same response. In reality, I can only remember of two(2) times that HLPAG has successfully managed to get on the site and toot their own horn. Both were on the old site before I got better at identifying them and neither lasted very long. Perhaps I'm wrong but I'd rather be wrong once and gather more ammunition against these guys than lose 10 new members because others jumped the gun and were wrong.

You don't need neat investigative tools or administrator privileges to gather information though. Look at previous posts and use Google for profile information. All it takes is a tiny bit of time and effort before posting.

Troy

[Troy]

By the way, here's the original request:

ok, before everybody want to send me pic's or offers, here are some detail description what i am looking for:

1968 Dodge Charger RT Clone
Engine Size: at least 383 or better with a 440 cubic inch V8
Automatik Transmission or 4-Speed Manual
Color: Tripple black!!! Black vinyltop, black paint and black interior.
it must have a floorshifter with the original console.
at least disc Brakes in the front with rear power Brakes.
it must have the Window washer system/ working
it must have the Emergency Brake/ working
everything on this car have to work fine, all Gauges, without any electrical problems.
The engine and the transmission has to be very clean and has to start right up, without any leaking oil!!
The undercarriage has to be very clean without any thick paint on it, i want to see hao it looks like.
The boddy has to be strait without any scaraches or dents at all.
Everything on this car has to work fine and the car must be very nice and clean.
$ 30,000.00 is a lot of money and i hope i can expect a very nice car for that kind of money.
Thank's

Troy

[Streetmaster]

I was looking all over to get a good deal on a 1968 Charger, but noboddy could help me to find one that's the reason i have contact Luedtke again to make me a ofer for what i am looking for.
I did not sent the money yet, so if someboddy could give me a adress where i can find a 1968 Charger. I would be more than HAPPY!!
Thank's again to all of you.

[AKcharger]

OK Streetmaster, under Troy's Sage advice I'll calm down a bit...a belated welcome to the site.


Unfortunately I don't know of any sources for cars, it's really right place at the right time. I understand for you that might be difficult being from Europe but I'm sure you understand the saying "you get what you pay for." If you have purchase 3 cars from HLPAG and are somewhat happy then you have beat the odds...BIG TIME. If you have time I would search ebay, this board, moparts and other mopar boards. It might well be worth a holiday in the U.S. to get your car then spin that roulette wheel with HLPAG one more time. The good news is prices of cars have dropped somewhat in the past year and with the euro gaining strengh this is a great time to buy.

As far as HLPAG goes and the emotional reaction you question elicited, the fact is those guys deal in '68-70 chargers, and we see a LOT of people coming here after their purchase for help. They are in the business to make money and based on what I've seen that is all they care about. In my opinion if you got a good car from them it is by LUCK rather than workmanship or their ethics.

This site has an interesting relationship with HLPAG - most members don't like them because they see all the people who have been ripped off 1st hand. HLPAG doesn't like this site because we cost them $$$ and steer people away.  I expect they pop on here once in a while to see if their reputation has changed  or more likely to capture remarks they can use in a slander/liable suit to close down this site (that's why I always say "in my opinion"  )

OK enough of me, here's a FEW...A FEW threads from others, read the 1st and you'll see why you're so lucky

AK

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,3692.msg44279.html#msg44279
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35109.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18280.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18332.0.html

[TUFCAT]

Hey guys, it looks like Troy is right..... Streetmaster is from Switzerland - not a HLPAG poser.     

[TruckDriver]

I have to agree with Troy though. ASSUMING things about people is why this site looses long time and new members. 

[BigBlockSam]

 

[AKcharger]

I have to agree with Troy though. ASSUMING things about people is why this site looses long time and new members. 

I'm with ya' WI but speaking for myself I can only work of the information given and what was given sounded like someone baiting the board members for negative comments on HLPAG.

However now that the identity is clear I did apologize for my perceived rudeness 

[0X01B8]

Well, I'd say you survived a couple rounds of russian roulette with hlpag, so count yourself lucky.  I've even found a car for you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1968-Dodge-Charger-R-T_W0QQitemZ290180315052QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The auction is over, it didn't sell, it's more than you want to pay (50k), but it's a seriously nice car.  The guy won it in a radio station raffle so maybe he'll entertain offers.  It's in Detroit, Michigan where it's currently gray and cold outside, prices are soft anyway, and nobody's thinking much about buying until spring time.

-john

[Troy]

Hey guys, it looks like Troy is right   

Was there any doubt?

Troy

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Hey guys, it looks like Troy is right   

Was there any doubt?

Troy

Crikies!

[Troy]

Ok, so maybe I did have to break out my A.C.M.E. Super Duper Global Internet Tracking Device with Ultra Sensitive Router Bouncing and Black Hole Detection Upgrade - and Cappuccino Machine. Bah, never mind. I just used my magic button like I do every time my boss sets a completely unreasonable deadline.

So, does anyone know where to find a triple black big block 68 Charger? It has to be the most popular combo available since about half of all the ones I see are just like that.

Troy

[Charger-Bodie]

Ive never seen a black 68 Charger. sounds pretty cool though!

[bull]

Ok, so maybe I did have to break out my A.C.M.E. Super Duper Global Internet Tracking Device with Ultra Sensitive Router Bouncing and Black Hole Detection Upgrade - and Cappuccino Machine. Bah, never mind. I just used my magic button like I do every time my boss sets a completely unreasonable deadline.

So, does anyone know where to find a triple black big block 68 Charger? It has to be the most popular combo available since about half of all the ones I see are just like that.

Troy

You have a boss?

[RT DAVE]

Ive never seen a black 68 Charger. sounds pretty cool though!

I really like that phantom bumble bee stripe.  BEE YOU T Full.   

[BigBlackDodge]

Ok, so maybe I did have to break out my A.C.M.E. Super Duper Global Internet Tracking Device with Ultra Sensitive Router Bouncing and Black Hole Detection Upgrade - and Cappuccino Machine. Bah, never mind. I just used my magic button like I do every time my boss sets a completely unreasonable deadline.

So, does anyone know where to find a triple black big block 68 Charger? It has to be the most popular combo available since about half of all the ones I see are just like that.

Troy

You have a boss?

Wife?   



BBD

[68charger383]

Could contact this guy, he seems willing to build black chargers or anything you want...here is a link to a 69 and a month ago he did a triple black 68. His phone number from the auction is 415 216 9206.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-REAL-R-T-440-4-SPEED-Dana-60_W0QQitemZ200168720676QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Red440]

There`s a couple of 68 for sale at this place

http://www.texastoybox.com/

never dealt with them though. Good luck

[Sabre]

Hi Streetmaster, I found this website you may be interested in.  They've got Chargers for sale and project cars they are working on.  I don't know about shipping overseas though.

http://www.texastoybox.com/

[69charger2002]

texastoybox is HIGH priced.. they had some of their cars at the houston tx show. decent cars. but some were in the $30's and needed some work   
best bet is an individual, a dealer jacks up the price $10k over "sticker".. the purple 70 you bought from hlpag, any chance you got pics or info on that? i sold them one a couple years ago wondering if this is the same car a little "body work" later
trav

[68charger383]

Here's one in our own backyard-68 R/T with a 4spd.....can't get better than that!

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,36849.0.html

[PocketThunder]

Here is a triple black non-R/T 440, 4-speed for $25,000 in California  http://adcache.collectorcartrader.com/10/5/3/90092053.htm

Here is a triple black R/T 440, 4-speed for $43,000 in Virginia  http://ww2.collectorcartrader.com/details.php?adId=adcache.collectorcartrader.com/ad-cache/10/0/0/90101400.htm

Looks like a silver or charcoal silver R/T, 440, automatic for $36,500 in Texas  http://ww2.collectorcartrader.com/details.php?adId=adcache.collectorcartrader.com/ad-cache/10/4/2/90143742.htm  oh wait this is at TexasToyBox. 

[1fine69]

Just send the money. But check the car out in person 

[moparstuart]

 

[tan top]

          

[bull]

I have to ask, why offer advice now on a thread that died more than 2 1/2 years ago?

[Old Moparz]

I have to ask, why offer advice now on a thread that died more than 2 1/2 years ago?

Why not? There could be a lacrosse playing Iroquois without a passport that can't go look at the car in person that may benefit from this thread.

[Bob]

http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/luedtkebroscomplaints.tpl

Yes, it's been awhile.

[bakerhillpins]

I have to ask, why offer advice now on a thread that died more than 2 1/2 years ago?

Why not? There could be a lacrosse playing Iroquois without a passport that can't go look at the car in person that may benefit from this thread.

[moparstuart]

I have to ask, why offer advice now on a thread that died more than 2 1/2 years ago?

Why not? There could be a lacrosse playing Iroquois without a passport that can't go look at the car in person that may benefit from this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2S7fq_p1E   

[Aero426]

I ran into a guy this spring in Chicago who recently bought a "restored" Charger from Hans.  He know nothing about the reputation.    He just wanted a Charger, and was thrilled to find out there were cars available in the area and could be "done to order".   The car had nice paint, but when you started looking at it close, it was pretty schlocky.   This guy, knowing very little other than he wanted a Charger, was the perfect mark for a dealer selling marginal, at best cars.  

[bill440rt]

We put a man on the moon!!

[TUFCAT]

We put a man on the moon!!