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1970 coronet r/t superbee

Started by txcarz, November 14, 2007, 01:42:01 PM

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txcarz

Looking at a 1970 coronet r/t  superbee the woman that has it for sale says it is low production only 60 produced any information on this sounds like b/s story from my research thanks john

PocketThunder

Post this at www.Moparts.com and you will got more responses.  or e-mail the bee registry  http://www.superbeeregistry.com/

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69CoronetRT

Quote from: txcarz on November 14, 2007, 01:42:01 PM
Looking at a 1970 coronet r/t  superbee the woman that has it for sale says it is low production only 60 produced any information on this sounds like b/s story from my research thanks john

It would be a Super Bee (VIN starts WM) or an R/T (WS) Both had the stripes. The claim of '60' could be due to an option or color.

Here are production numbers with engine and drive train breakdown: http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Production_67_74.htm
70 production by color can be found at www.andy440.com
http://www.dodgecoronet.com/forum/index.php is a good place for Coronets

Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

69bronzeT5

How bout this...I went to a car show this past summer and there was a white 1970 Superbee CONVERTIBLE. A few people over at moparts say they never made em but the board he had in the back seat says "#6 of 7 consecutively serial # concept convertibles" so yea...lol
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moparstuart

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 14, 2007, 02:58:25 PM
How bout this...I went to a car show this past summer and there was a white 1970 Superbee CONVERTIBLE. A few people over at moparts say they never made em but the board he had in the back seat says "#6 of 7 consecutively serial # concept convertibles" so yea...lol
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C_stripes

I think the hood had been replaced. She doesn't know what she is talking about.  I would love the car though.
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1969chargerrtse

I'm positive a friend I grew up with had a lime green 70 R/T conv.  But they never made "Super Bee Conv's" right?
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TeeWJay426

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on November 15, 2007, 06:58:37 AM
I'm positive a friend I grew up with had a lime green 70 R/T conv.  But they never made "Super Bee Conv's" right?

That's correct.
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moparstuart

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on November 15, 2007, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: TeeWJay426 on November 15, 2007, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on November 15, 2007, 06:58:37 AM
I'm positive a friend I grew up with had a lime green 70 R/T conv.  But they never made "Super Bee Conv's" right?

That's correct.
  Thanks, he told everyone it was a sixpac car, and a friend of mine thats a Mopar hemi nut, took a look at  it and saw on the VIN it was a 440 4bbl car.  The kid held on to it for years but when the market jumped in the mid 80's he sold it.  I remember him driving it around with the R/T stripe off the back, the bright green, and top down on summer days.  What a cool car, probably in a glass case somewhere now.
those cars are rare and hard to find and one fine looking car  price has really jumped out of sight on them
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Nacho-RT74

as far I know no conv superbees, simply because Superbees are in the middle of the regular and R/T coronets, getting same R/Ts performance as OPTION but cheaper trim package, so wouldn't have sense to have a superbee conv. That would it be out of sense  on what the superbee level price and trim means I think.
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WheresMyCharger

'70 Coronet R/T convert is one of the least produced convertible Mopar muscle cars. Less than 300 units if I remember correctly
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TeeWJay426

Quote from: WheresMyCharger on November 15, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
'70 Coronet R/T convert is one of the least produced convertible Mopar muscle cars. Less than 300 units if I remember correctly

If ya believe Galen's white book numbers, the lowest R/T ragtop production was '67 (196). '70 was second lowest at 296.
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moparstuart

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on November 15, 2007, 11:23:46 AM
as far I know no conv superbees, simply because Superbees are in the middle of the regular and R/T coronets, getting same R/Ts performance as OPTION but cheaper trim package, so wouldn't have sense to have a superbee conv. That would it be out of sense  on what the superbee level price and trim means I think.
how do you explain road runner converts in 70  no gtx convert ?????
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69CoronetRT

Quote from: TeeWJay426 on November 15, 2007, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: WheresMyCharger on November 15, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
'70 Coronet R/T convert is one of the least produced convertible Mopar muscle cars. Less than 300 units if I remember correctly

If ya believe Galen's white book numbers, the lowest R/T ragtop production was '67 (196). '70 was second lowest at 296.

Coronet production figures:

http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Production_67_74.htm#1967%20Coronet%20R/T

I think I added them up one time but IIRC...there were fewer R/T convertibles over four years than there were 69 RR convertibles.

There is a picture out there that shows a '68 Super Bee convertible. It's believed that this is a Coronet 500 convertible with SB trim. There was not a lower trim level convertible on which to base the SB like there was for the RR. Plymouth offered a RH Satellite convertible where Dodge didn't have a WH Coronet 440 convertible.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on November 15, 2007, 11:23:46 AM
as far I know no conv superbees, simply because Superbees are in the middle of the regular and R/T coronets, getting same R/Ts performance as OPTION but cheaper trim package, so wouldn't have sense to have a superbee conv. That would it be out of sense  on what the superbee level price and trim means I think.
how do you explain road runner converts in 70  no gtx convert ?????


well dunno!! I don't know what exactly drive Plymouth its line, and in fact will never understand. Maybe that's one of  the reaosn why I don't like Plymouths ( except E bodies Cudas ), beside I still haven't found the first Plymouth tail panel that I like ( beside stated ).

Remember also Plymouth itself is a diff price line, basically lower than Dodge.

Anyway, that's why I stated "I think"
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

moparstuart

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on November 15, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on November 15, 2007, 11:23:46 AM
as far I know no conv superbees, simply because Superbees are in the middle of the regular and R/T coronets, getting same R/Ts performance as OPTION but cheaper trim package, so wouldn't have sense to have a superbee conv. That would it be out of sense  on what the superbee level price and trim means I think.
how do you explain road runner converts in 70  no gtx convert ?????


well dunno!! I don't know what exactly drive Plymouth its line, and in fact will never understand. Maybe that's one of  the reaosn why I don't like Plymouths ( except E bodies Cudas ), beside I still haven't found the first Plymouth tail panel that I like ( beside stated ).

Remember also Plymouth itself is a diff price line, basically lower than Dodge.

Anyway, that's why I stated "I think"
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69CoronetRT

Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on November 15, 2007, 11:23:46 AM
as far I know no conv superbees, simply because Superbees are in the middle of the regular and R/T coronets, getting same R/Ts performance as OPTION but cheaper trim package, so wouldn't have sense to have a superbee conv. That would it be out of sense  on what the superbee level price and trim means I think.
how do you explain road runner converts in 70  no gtx convert ?????


Here's the opinion of a sales and marketing guy....

While more were sold than R/T convertibles, GTX convertibles were never that big of a seller to begin with. Plymouth rolled out a RR convertible in 69. In 70, the 440-6 and Hemi were available in the RR meaning the only engine you could get in the GTX you couldn't get in the RR was the 440-4bbl. This is hardly a major selling point as in years past.

Plus, Plymouth kept the Satellite convertible in the 70 line up. This would have given Plymouth three B body convertible models with a very minor engine distinction between the RR and GTX making it hardly worthwhile to have the GTX. (You could crunch the numbers but I'm guessing the price of a 440-6bbl convertible RR would have been about the same or just a little more than what a standard 440-4bbl GTX convertible would have cost.)

Third year designs are generally lower production anyway. I'm sure the sales forcasts for the 70 GTX convertible were pretty low. With the '70 R/T at under 300 units, the GTX would have sold maybe 500.

All companies were phasing out their convertible line ups as sales of convertibles dropped through the 60's and as a way to meet new and upcoming body styles and safety requirements. (Compare the convertible offerings from all car makers in 69 compared to 71) :Twocents:
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

gts95

Quote from: C_stripes on November 14, 2007, 05:10:50 PM
I think the hood had been replaced. She doesn't know what she is talking about.  I would love the car though.

I assume y'all are talking about the '70 Coronet R/T on Ebay? Its coded for a N96 Ramcharger...somebody may have just put the wrong emblem on it at some point?? Definately an R/T though. Would be a super neat car....factory black on black with no vinyl top, Ramcharger car.

Car is bidding up high too.

Ghoste

An opinion from an non marketing guy would not be too different.  When Jack Smith was at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years ago, I remember part of his lecture being about "Miss Road Runner".  He had a large poster sized photo of a young girl on the wall inhis office and whenever anyone came in and wanted to change the Road Runner in any way, his response was always something along the line of asking for proof of how the change would help the demographic Road Runner buyer get "Miss Road Runner" to go out with him.  Based on that, a convertible for 69 makes perfect sense.  The Super Bee as a more expensive "me too" version, makes perfect sense in NOT having one.  To me anyway.

69charger2002

yeah i also think it's a coronet R/T.. what was odd to me was that the 383 engine sticker looked very old. not something that was done 5 years ago. maybe that's where her husband got confused.. i was also looking at the car for a while. but it's just too odd
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