had someone talk crap on my 512 today

[HITMAN 149]

yes he may very well get 1000hp in those things... he's a young kid.... (young...dumb..and full of cum!!) LOL
just like all the rice rocket kids that harrass me about my harley... yea i certainley won't be able to beat em... but i tell em.. i stil burry the neddle at 120!!!!(not as slow as they think it is!!!) it's way more comfy!! esp on a long trip!! i have a stereo.... AND my bike is worth about 3 of theirs!!!!!! hahahaha    oh yea... i almost forgot.....  chicks dig harley's at bike week!!!!!!!! hahaha

YOUTH IS WASTED ON THE YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'D TAKE MY 68 CHARGER (AND YOURS  ) ANYDAY OVER SOME RICE!!! (welll i would take the rice...only to sell it for charger parts!!!!!!!!!!!  )

[Dave22443]

When confronted with this situation, I only have one response...

"So how come nobody ever wants to buy yours?"   

[Brock Samson]

It's not all about 1/4 mile time.  My 72 vette looked like the spokes car for power and testosterone.  Big rumble sound, side pipes, bulged hood.  But what I told my close friends was, a Lexus SUV would probably blow me a away.  It wasn't about how fast it was now, it was what it was then, in it's prime.  I was never a vette guy, but as a kid the 68 to 72 Big Block conv was my dream car.  When I had the chance to buy one at a good price I grabbed it, to finally be able to sit in the seat of one.  It was a great car, but I just wasn't a vette guy.  I thought it was so cool to wave to just vette owners, but what I found out when I got my life long dream car ( 69 Charger RTSE ) All muscle car owners wave to me !.  Anyway. My kids had no idea about the older vettes and what they meant to the muscle car history.  I explained to them, in 1972, this was it.  This was the coolest thing out there, and if you saw that bulged hood in your mirror ( Big Blocks only )  get out the way, move over.  When I cruised in that car, it was about the history of the car, and the fact that 35 years later, it still be looking good, and nothing more.  High performance cars from all over would slow down along side me and say, beautiful car, not you wanna race.  Same thing with the Charger RT.  I can't wait to have it back on the road this Spring.  Bright orange muscle car of the late sixties, how cool.  Could care less about anything on the road today.  I always say with anything new and hot,  If I wanted one, all I have to do is go to the nearest dealer and get one, but you ain't gonna be cruising so easily in one of theses classics my friend.  I could care less what is out there, in my eyes, ther 68-70 Chargers are without adopt rolling art.  Always were, always will be. 

How's that saying go?  "There ain't no replacement for displacement"  Tell that kid, if he pays for an engine mount swap kit, you'll drop his rice motor in your car and see what 1/4 mile times it gets.

your forgetting the LT-1 had the Bulge Hood too..

When confronted with this situation, I only have one response...

"So how come nobody ever wants to buy yours?"

  Excellent response!
I'll have to remember that. 

[ChargerRT440]

go all out and build a twin turbo'd aluminum hemi. I did one in desktop dyno and on 30 psi boost(easily attainable if built right) the engine could make almost 2000 hp and I think it was almost 1500 pd. ft. of torque. amazing numbers and pretty much the same as it would cost to make any modern dsm or supra to that power.

btw supras are garbage in the 1/4 I've seen guys who put out like 1500 hp and can't run more then a 15 second run because supras have no acceleration for the hp.

[SRT-440]

I don't want to race this kid or anything,, i just have a hard time understanding how its possible for those  engine's to get that kind of hp with half the cu.in.

Like a motor cycle engine? 

I would think it would take a lot to get it to the "700hp" mark..but just for reference I have a 2004 Dodge SRT4 with just a few boltons and it dyno'd 260hp and 303ft. torque..and if you ever run into some .50 trim or Stage 3 SRT4s they can be anywhere from 300hp to 600hp and running well into the 10's.
Never fear..u have the better car..my car is just a quick daily driver that still gets 30mpg..if I need to play hard ball I get the big block dart out. 

[6670charger]

I've had people do this to me ever since I started driving a Charger.

My intense study of physchology and the human mind leaves me to believe the talon driver has a bad case of L.P.S., or Little Peter Syndrome. Its an infectious desease, usually found in chevy or 5.0 mustang owners, thats caused when the patient has a severe case of envy from a superior vehicle (or wang). Kinda similar to how women act when they see a prettier one. There is no cure, and arguing with them will only cause others to believe you have the same disorder.
The proper way to handle it is to smile and fake interest in their disposable car, and sound just interested enough to stroke their ego so they think youre impressed. This will usually cause them to leave and find another person, often with the same disease,  where the cycle continues.

That's my professional opinion.   

You are wise beyond your years, JR.

[derailed]

btw supras are garbage in the 1/4 I've seen guys who put out like 1500 hp and can't run more then a 15 second run because supras have no acceleration for the hp.

I would say thats a case of bad driving. Theres a guy (not a kid) who runs one at our local track here and hes running low 11s with a mostly stock one that he drives home afterwards. I will agree theres alot of these kids out there who are just plain punks that think there civic with a fart can on the back is the fastest thing in the world. But then there are level headed kids who are good mechanics that just want to go fast and have fun but cant shell out $20k for a muscle car that would still take another $10k to go into the 11 second bracket. I just let them go ahead and talk shit if they want, that way if there gonna beat ya they will and some will, if not they'll make an ass out of themselves.

[69chargeryeehaa]

TELL HIM TO COME AND HAVE A BURNOUT COMPETITION!!!!!!!!!!

THAT SHOULD SHUT HIM UP. LOL 

[OldGuy]

Regardless of how much horsepower his car has it's still an Eagle Talon

I'd rather cruise around and look cool in my Charger all day while people like that are buying their $2,000 econoboxes and dumping thousands of dollars into them only to be arrested for street racing.

I agree - you can put lipstick on a pig to try to dress it up - but it is still a pig (Eagle Talon)

I'll keep my Charger!!

[defiance]

Well i when to a car lot to day looking at a beater truck for my cousin and this one kid cam up and asked me if i was the one who owned the orange charger and said yes i am,so we talked about my car and my 512 that im building for it and  well here is what he fed me

He told me that he has a eagle talon says that it is in full street trim and runs on pump gas has all kinds of upgrades diff heads cam turbo and some computer aided crap and says it has 700 hp and rev;s to 10,500 rpm ( wonder how long that engine will last)   i kinda thought that it was all bullshit and i didnt believe him. this kid is in his late 20's and supposedly works at an engine shop in indiana PA and says he dyno's those types of cars all the time and some are over 1000 hp and and are street driven      OH YEA and muscle cars are outdated now supposedly  and i was told that i better watch out cuase he is almost done with his project ( what do you guys think) 

One of the local shops here put together an 8-second Talon.  It isn't street gas, and it relies heavily on boost, but it does use the stock block as a core.  I don't recall the exact numbers, but the shop owner claimed it had a pretty ridiculous hp number (the shop has a dyno, which is why I went there).

So yeah, it's possible.

But that certainly doesn't mean muscle cars are outdated.  The same amount of boost and $$ would do just as much for a 440. 

In fact, it probably would require a LOT less $$.  You'd probably have to get an aftermarket block, but that cost would be offset by the less expensive parts elsewhere.  I was looking into parts for my Subaru, and a forged rotating assembly costs about 2.5x as much as comparable 440 parts, even though it has half the number of rods and pistons.  Heads, same deal, cams, etc.  "Import tuners" are a very hot market right now, and the parts manufacturers are capitalizing on that.  Plus, the cost of plumbing for a huge turbo in a teensy little engine compartment has to be much more expensive than the same in the space under a charger hood.

If I wanted, I could take a honda fit (puke) and make it run 8 seconds, but it wouldn't be worth the 20k or so it would cost! 

In the end, dude's got a freakin' talon. 

[moparstuart]

Regardless of how much horsepower his car has it's still an Eagle Talon

I'd rather cruise around and look cool in my Charger all day while people like that are buying their $2,000 econoboxes and dumping thousands of dollars into them only to be arrested for street racing.

I agree - you can put lipstick on a pig to try to dress it up - but it is still a pig (Eagle Talon)

I'll keep my Charger!!

i think the talons are sharp looking    not a charger  but still decent looking

[Silver R/T]

tell him youll gladly race him once his talon is done. some of them are definitely fast, some breaking into 9's

[firefighter3931]

i think the talons are sharp looking    not a charger  but still decent looking

Not as nice looking as a 69 Camaro. 



Ron

[70charger_boy]

i think the talons are sharp looking    not a charger  but still decent looking

Not as nice looking as a 69 Camaro. 



Ron

As long as the Camaro has Mopar parts in the trunk 

[moparstuart]

i think the talons are sharp looking    not a charger  but still decent looking

Not as nice looking as a 69 Camaro. 
        not to me
 


Ron

[Mike DC]

What's really ironic about the whole car world in general is that the guys with tiny advanced motors always try to advance then even more, while the guys with big neanderthal motors just want to make them even bigger.  You never see ricers trying to build 5-liter rice motors, and you never see musclecar guys trying to rig up a 426 Hemi with overhead cams. 

   

[0X01B8]

What's really ironic about the whole car world in general is that the guys with tiny advanced motors always try to advance then even more, while the guys with big neanderthal motors just want to make them even bigger.  You never see ricers trying to build 5-liter rice motors, and you never see musclecar guys trying to rig up a 426 Hemi with overhead cams. 

   

Good one.  My 440 is plenty strong and I'm just throwing away horsepower by running iron manifolds, no-clutch fan, and little stuff like that.  Who needs any advancement?   

[6pkrunner]

More displacement means bigger parts. Bigger parts means more weight. More weight means more reciprocating mass and the inherited limited redline. Small light parts have less inertia to overcome and therefore will rev quicker and higher. The downside is these lightweight parts have little flywheel effect and not much torque.

[mally69]

I just had a thought suppose he does build this thing with a big turbo alright now, simply take off the turbo and what does he have NO POWER, suppose when his boost comes in lets say his cranking compression is  11.1, without the boost lets say 8.1

so we now have 8.1 compression  without the turbo, now take compression up to 11.1 WITHOUT turbo Its naturally aspired   ill bet then he wont have even close 500 that way 

[1FastCharger]

you never see musclecar guys trying to rig up a 426 Hemi with overhead cams. 

   

Ford did!



Sorry for using the F word.

[zerfetzen]

The best way to get the turbo guys is a rolling start.  Check any of those new cars at Car and Driver, Road and Track, Edmunds, you name it.  I'll use an article on a Subaru Impreza WRX STI from 2005 as an example, mainly because my buddy and I found one in our parking lot at work with drag radials on it and racing stickers, and I'm itching to catch this guy going to lunch, which he usually does with a few guys in his car.  If that little dream comes true, I'll pull alongside him in my 06 Charger RT (cut me slack, I'm working on my 69 in my garage), and unless he dumps the clutch at 5,500-6,000 RPM (which is what these articles recommend for them), he's mine, no questions asked.  Here's how I reason it:

This article (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/1801/specialty-file-m2-wrx-page2.html) showcases a $13,000 set of mods they can do to their riceroni's.  Let's look at the numbers, shall we?  0-60 in 4.4 seconds.  Wow!  Wait a second, 5-60 in 5.9 seconds.  Hey, that's 06 Charger territory.  Unless he dumps his clutch at high RPM and really beats the shit out of his car, he's 1.5 seconds slower, and THAT'S ASSUMING HE PUT $13,000 INTO IT.  Toss in the weight of a few buddies, which will seriously affect him but not me, and he's done for.

Personally, I hate turbos and power-adders, and am the biggest fan of "there's no replacement for displacement."  The best machine is a simple machine, not 27 overhead cams with 45 valves each, twin turbos and a supercharger, 3 jugs of nitrous, and a belly ring that a buddhist monk told them they could rub for more power.  The only way the turbo helps in his case is if he can spool it up.  If he's rolling at 5 mph, he has no turbo power yet and has to rely on torque, which is what gets a car going, not horsepower, and torque is EXACTLY what he does NOT have.  This article says 305 ft/lbs at 6,000 RPM, which sounds decent for his weight.  But if you've ever seen a torque curve for this car, and I've never seen one this extreme, I swear this year and model are making less than 100 ft/lbs at 5,000 RPM, which is where the torque FINALLY begins to climb, and very steeply.

While it's true you can always find modded junk along these lines that can beat you, the root of it is junk.  If his turbo fails, he's probably making 100 torque max.  That can't be THAT far from my weed-eater.  Don't let that jackass rattle you, and we all respect your car and the work that went into it.

[BigBlackDodge]

you never see musclecar guys trying to rig up a 426 Hemi with overhead cams. 

   

Ford did!



Sorry for using the F word.

Mopar also made a DOHC Hemi back in the day.


BBD

[TK73]

you never see musclecar guys trying to rig up a 426 Hemi with overhead cams. 

   

Ford did!

Sorry for using the F word.

Mopar also made a DOHC Hemi back in the day.


BBD

"Dual overhead cam Hemi

A 426 dual-overhead cam Hemi was actually produced - two of them, in fact, and both were made in 1964. The DOHC Hemis were made to counter Ford's response to the 1964 426 Hemi, the 427 SOHC, but when NASCAR ruled against Ford's engine, there was no need for the overhead-cam Hemi."

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/hemi.html

[1FastCharger]

Damn...no pics of that DOHC Hemi. I'd like to see what it looks like.


I see even Pontiac was in on the action.

[TK73]

Scope this:

http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6211&sid=cd2d4c97b3876505f3474ebd1398d3f6