had someone talk crap on my 512 today

[pettyfan43]

I have found out that people talk a lot of junk when there project is "ALMOST" done. Tell him to come find you when its all done and prove it.

BINGO!!!!!  There are also a lot of guys who talk crap about "my buddy's car". That is a great one, they talk crap and don't even have a car!

I had a guy try to pick a street race with me one time AFTER I told him my 73 Charger had a dead stock 2 bbl 318, so he talks stuff for a few minutes about his buddy's 65 Chevelle with a "pretty nice small block" that they "Run for a hundred bucks a race. Kept trying to pick a race with my old Charger.

I finally just told the no neck muscle head that at least I owned my own damn car and I was pretty sure he couldn't outrun me on his nikes!  Also told him that in two weeks our Mopar club was having its first show at the drag strip in town and I was pretty sure he could come out there and pick on all the Mopars that he wanted to and put his hundred bucks a run where his mouth was!

Never saw that loser OR the Chevelle that weekend! Strange huh?   

[1FastCharger]

Here is one for you. I don't think the BMW even knew he was racing as probably most cases of these Ricers saying that they beat some nicer car.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XI_gNQLmTM0

The car is a Mitsu Eclipse/Talon whatever

[70charger_boy]

Here is one for you. I don't think the BMW even knew he was racing as probably most cases of these Ricers saying that they beat some nicer car.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XI_gNQLmTM0

The car is a Mitsu Eclipse/Talon whatever

here is part 2 of the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzif078Pn2E&NR=1

[1969chargerrtse]

Well, I sold my 1972 454 Corvette Convertible for the Charger I have now but let me tell you how I handled these situations when I had the corvette.  I have a neighbor up the road.  He has one of those little hi performance Subaru's with the wing, usually a blue car.  A friend of his was working on it and when he heard what I had, he started explaining to me how that little car would blow my corvette away.  Here's how I handled that situation.  I said "  There's 4 things you need to know. 1) With the price of gas these days, I wouldn't want to waste it on you to prove a point. 2)  Being a Big Block,They came out with a starter upgrade for this car, and it's your little motor. 3) How about you go get a 1972 Subaru and I'll race that?  and 4)  You keep mouthing off and I'm going to have to call in his big brother the Corvette Z06 and have him make a point.  I'm sure this logic could be adapted with the SRT Charger. 

[RD]

Well, I sold my 1972 454 Corvette Convertible for the Charger I have now but let me tell you how I handled these situations when I had the corvette.  I have a neighbor up the road.  He has one of those little hi performance Subaru's with the wing, usually a blue car.  A friend of his was working on it and when he heard what I had, he started explaining to me how that little car would blow my corvette away.  Here's how I handled that situation.  I said "  There's 4 things you need to know. 1) With the price of gas these days, I wouldn't want to waste it on you to prove a point. 2)  Being a Big Block,They came out with a starter upgrade for this car, and it's your little motor. 3) How about you go get a 1972 Subaru and I'll race that?  and 4)  You keep mouthing off and I'm going to have to call in his big brother the Corvette Z06 and have him make a point.  I'm sure this logic could be adapted with the SRT Charger. 

how true!!!!

[1969chargerrtse]

It's not all about 1/4 mile time.  My 72 vette looked like the spokes car for power and testosterone.  Big rumble sound, side pipes, bulged hood.  But what I told my close friends was, a Lexus SUV would probably blow me a away.  It wasn't about how fast it was now, it was what it was then, in it's prime.  I was never a vette guy, but as a kid the 68 to 72 Big Block conv was my dream car.  When I had the chance to buy one at a good price I grabbed it, to finally be able to sit in the seat of one.  It was a great car, but I just wasn't a vette guy.  I thought it was so cool to wave to just vette owners, but what I found out when I got my life long dream car ( 69 Charger RTSE ) All muscle car owners wave to me !.  Anyway. My kids had no idea about the older vettes and what they meant to the muscle car history.  I explained to them, in 1972, this was it.  This was the coolest thing out there, and if you saw that bulged hood in your mirror ( Big Blocks only )  get out the way, move over.  When I cruised in that car, it was about the history of the car, and the fact that 35 years later, it still be looking good, and nothing more.  High performance cars from all over would slow down along side me and say, beautiful car, not you wanna race.  Same thing with the Charger RT.  I can't wait to have it back on the road this Spring.  Bright orange muscle car of the late sixties, how cool.  Could care less about anything on the road today.  I always say with anything new and hot,  If I wanted one, all I have to do is go to the nearest dealer and get one, but you ain't gonna be cruising so easily in one of theses classics my friend.  I could care less what is out there, in my eyes, ther 68-70 Chargers are without adopt rolling art.  Always were, always will be. 

How's that saying go?  "There ain't no replacement for displacement"  Tell that kid, if he pays for an engine mount swap kit, you'll drop his rice motor in your car and see what 1/4 mile times it gets.

[Sabre]

One wonders where these idiots who claim a Hemi only put out 200 hp get their info from.

Hemis did.................in 1956!!!!!!   


Todd

[Sabre]

I think it's tacky when anyone talks smack about another guy's car so on that note I think this guy is out of line and needs to learn to shut his big mouth.

As far as his car, you guys know the Eagle Talon is a Mopar, don't you? Don't quote me on this but I think they are basically a rebadged Mitsubishi 3000 (or at least closely related) from back when Chrysler ind Mitsubishi were in bed together. They are very fast and handle nicely, especially the AWD turbo versions. There were times when I've been tempted to buy one but that's as far as it ever went because I always figured if I had to have a toy it was going to be a 2nd gen Charger. Any other application is too practical for a toy like this.

Anyway, my point is don't dis on a car because its owner is a big-mouth moron, just tell the big-mouth moron to shove it sideways or to get some counseling because his momma apparently didn't hug him enough to provide him with adequate affirmation.

Here's a Talon in action, it gets up to 140 according to the cops: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5135C7C6-0B6D-4924-B7FB-98B8011EF1EE.htm

The Eagle Talon was the sister car to the Mitsubishi Eclipse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Talon

[bull]

Yea, I came back and corrected it. I was thinking Stealth/3000 and Talon/Eclipse but got them mixed up.

[mally69]

IF they could get 700 hp and be streetable  out of that little 4 Banger then i should be able to get 1000+out of a 512  not that im going to try it......... Im just wondering HOW THEY DO IT 

[bull]

IF they could get 700 hp and be streetable  out of that little 4 Banger then i should be able to get 1000+out of a 512  not that im going to try it......... Im just wondering HOW THEY DO IT 

There are a lot of differences between your engine and his and yet the ricer cars often look better on paper. Part of the difference is torque and redline efficiency. I don't pretend to know everything about this stuff but your horsepower is a lot more practical in application. While his car might carry two 150-pound people across the 1/4 mile finish line before yours I seriously doubt he could pull a boat up a long hill at 60 mph. It's like comparing apples to oranges in many ways. Those ricer engines act more like motorcycle engines than car engines.

[1969chargerrtse]

IF they could get 700 hp and be streetable  out of that little 4 Banger then i should be able to get 1000+out of a 512  not that im going to try it......... Im just wondering HOW THEY DO IT 

With lots of money.   

[70charger_boy]

Bull hit the nail on the head.  Ricer engines are almost like Motorcycle engines.  My GSXR that has 96 horsepower can do a 1/4 mile in the high 9's or low 10's.  There is also a 3,500 lb difference in weight, too.  The one disadvantage that the Musclecar has is in the launch.  The ricer is front wheel drive and has a better launch than the rear wheel drive Charger.

I tell people 1,000 times that when it comes to racing it is not what's under the hood, but it is the whole drivetrain.  The rear wheel spin has to be reduced.  If the rear wheel spins on launch you can lose seconds.  The difference between winner and loser is seconds.  In some cases it's 10th of seconds.

[mally69]

I don't want to race this kid or anything,, i just have a hard time understanding how its possible for those  engine's to get that kind of hp with half the cu.in.

Like a motor cycle engine? 

[RD]

mally,

you have to take into consideration the weight in which the engine is pushing.  all engines can produce a lot of horsepower, but they usually do not have the torque to go along with those numbers.  A lighter car does not need as much torque as a heavier car, so a high horsepower build is ideal for them.

it is very similar to building a big block for a A Body compared to a B Body.  The A body 440's focus will be on horsepower whereas the B Body's will be on torque to get the larger mass in motion.

[mally69]

mally,

you have to take into consideration the weight in which the engine is pushing.  all engines can produce a lot of horsepower, but they usually do not have the torque to go along with those numbers.  A lighter car does not need as much torque as a heavier car, so a high horsepower build is ideal for them.

it is very similar to building a big block for a A Body compared to a B Body.  The A body 440's focus will be on horsepower whereas the B Body's will be on torque to get the larger mass in motion.

That was said great, After reading that I now understand exactly what you mean     

[pettyfan43]

Big Turbo chargers, intercoolers and engine management systems are just a lot more efficient than a big carburetor on a big engine.

It's just a fact of the way these things work.

[1FastCharger]

There is one obvious difference which may have already been stated - 25 YEARS of TECHNOLOGY. His little 4 cylinder has double overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, fuel injection and many sensors that enable the little motor have a perfect A/F ratio. Then add a turbo to the mix and he has a good combo. Imagine having DOHC and a turbo on your 512. You would probably make 1000 HP. Next is getting all that power to the ground. The Mitsu AWD trans is crap, but the car will hook like a bastard. If you are on street tires he will probably smoke you off the line. Now to the reality - he may win - but what did he accomplish? He still has a POS car that will NEVER get the looks a Charger will, NEVER have the value a Charger does and finally NEVER attract the BABES the way a Charger will. 

[Streetwize]

Well, I had a DSM, all wheel drive 25psi and some pretty serious tuning. Very fast.....rediculously fast for 2.0 litres. The blocks bottom ends cam withstsnd 500hp....that's 125 hp per hole....you gotta respect that considering a stock 440 block starts to hammer it's bearings out at about 600hp.

Not unusual at all to see a bone stock looking first gen run high 11's low 12's and hit unholy 60 foot times on street tires...enough to embarrass nearly anything not on slicks. Mine hit 1.6 60' times...the tires never spun, all propulsion the guy I sold it to converted it for rear wheel drive drifting, not my cup of tea but it looks fun!! here's a clip of my old ride....approx 320hp at the wheels:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d55e5665-bdab-4326-8662-99c200885a98.htm

Turbos make plenty of TORQUE....don't kid yourself....35 psi turns 2.0 litres into over 5 litres worth of normally aspirated power. My car felt like it had a small block and launched like it was on M/T drag slicks....plus it was a daily driver and got 20mpg. Best part was hardly nothing on the street could touch it within the first 300 feet, most action on the street doesn't go that far and most give up after being hung out 3 xar lengths i nthe first 100 feet. I embarrassed a lot of high dollar vehicles with this stock looking little puppy.

They earned my respect and MOST DSM guys are Very Cool and respectful to the old Detroit iron....fact of business.

[BB1]

Hey now I own an Eagle Talon.

Believe me I know some 10 second Talons that you would not want to bet against. They look totally normal, not one thing will tell you what's inside until it's to late. It does not have $50,000. in parts, it was made out of junk yard parts.
Just stroke a 2.0 with a 2.5 crank and port the heads, put a Cummings diesel turbo in it and reprogram the computer. Get a big intercooler, 3in exhaust, big throttle body out of a Lexus, bigger brakes come from Diamante. You just became the worlds best ass kicker.

Besides they are American cars that were not exported to Japan, they built them in Indiana I believe.

Mine was sold at a Chrysler dealership, but it is all Mitsubishi. It still has a Chrysler 7 year 70 mile sticker on it.
It's a MOPAR guys. I have to go to a Chrysler dealership to get parts.

I'm not a rice man, but I know what these things can do they are very impressive, balls out fast .

[mally69]

Hey that video was cool , i wonder if i could drift in the charger it looks fun
No i would never drift my charger looks like it wouldnt take much to smash it it 

[Streetwize]

Yeah it does look fun...but as I was saying when it was AWD, all that excess power went to all 4 wheels and that sucker would launch like a catapault. I hada 4800rpm foot to the floor studder in the chip so I could launch it on about 7psi of boost.

[mally69]

sounds pretty impressive  
i had no idea those cars were that fast. 
I thought I was getting ahead of the game buy building a 680 700 hp big block, Man was i wrong 

[derailed]

Believe me I know some 10 second Talons that you would not want to bet against. They look totally normal, not one thing will tell you what's inside until it's to late. It does not have $50,000. in parts, it was made out of junk yard parts.
Just stroke a 2.0 with a 2.5 crank and port the heads, put a Cummings diesel turbo in it and reprogram the computer. Get a big intercooler, 3in exhaust, big throttle body out of a Lexus, bigger brakes come from Diamante. You just became the worlds best ass kicker.

I have a friend with a very similar motor in a dodge colt. Looks almost stock. Its not a car you would want to go up against on the street or at the track.

[BigBlackDodge]

I've never seen a rice motor go 329 mph in the 1/4!

BBD