68 Hemi Charger with Police package??

[Spike]

Ever hear of this??

http://detroit.craigslist.org/car/461959646.html

1968 Dodge Charger 426 4v , 3.23 posi axle , auto trans, dual exhaust and MASSIVE sway bars front and rear, Also a factory installed loop type roll bar, and working AC, PS,PB,PW. This is a very plain car, snow white in color with no extra trim or lettering of any kind , and no extra holes in the body to put it on ether. The interior is in very good shape dark blue in color with a bench seat and column shift auto trans. The dash has a 150 mph speedo with oil psi, volts, gas, temp only. No tach, No clock, No radio not even a place for it. This is in original condition with no rust ever and no dents or dings , or paint chips, and original paint. Runs like a top with 33K original. The build sheet says it is a special order Police Pursuit car. There is a metal plate riveted to the drivers front fender well that says Police Pursuit and gives the motor cid, axle ratio, VIN# , and other information. The title says municipal vehicle it does not say Charger anyplace on it. And it is a one owner A title car. It has been in our family sense day one when My dad bought it new. Comes with all of the original paper work for the original sale of the car. All maintenance records showing any and all work done to it including old receipts for oil changes. It is an original Michigan car. It has never been parked in the rain and never seen snow. Always been tarp-ed in doors. My guess is this is truly the first Hemi police Charger ever built, and the only 1968 hemi police charger on the road. Email me to set up an appointment to inspect. You may test drive but there will be NO THRILL DRIVES AND OR RIDES . NO OVER SEA SALES. The car is spotless and show ready drive any place. It has been in 15 car shows in its life and took home a first place every time. I will be posting photos tomorrow some time. $120,000 firm

[Ghoste]

I gotta call  on this one.  I'm no guru and never say never and all that but I'm going to need a LOT more proof to believe it.

[Ghoste]

If his dad bought it new, why does it say municipal vehicle on the title?

[y3chargerrt]

Hemi 4 barrel with a/c??   

[RD]

If his dad bought it new, why does it say municipal vehicle on the title?

police could have decided not to purchase the car from the dealer, hence they sold it to the public?  my guess... if its legit.  cool story.

[Ghoste]

No tach or clock in a 68??  Not to mention the factory installed roll bar and bench seat?  But it did get the power windows.

[The70RT]

Sounds interesting. He says pics tomorrow.

[69_500]

I'm calling BS, for one simple reason. NO AC on 426 HEMI cars. Now the person might be a fool, and think that 440 means HEMI or something, and then it stands a slim chance in you know what of being true. No charger emblems from the factory? No place for a radio? You can get a radio delete Charger, that isn't unheard of, but there is still a place for a radio, just a radio delete plate over it.

No tach? Thats not uncommon either, even for a 4 speed car, so its definately not a 1 off thing for an AT car to come without a tach. I'm not positive for 68, but I don't think that the 3.23 ratio for rear end was available. I think that you were limited in your choices to the 8 3/4 3.55 or 3.91 or the Dana with 3.54 or 4.10. Or am I mistaken?

Last time I checked it snowed in Michigan even back in 68. So what are the odds of a Municipal vehicle not being allowed out in the rain or snow? I'm guessing that if by any slim chance it was at one time a police pursuit vehicle, that the current owner purchased it from the station after it served its time in their fleet. Hence making him a possible first ower, as I'm not sure how the title would be for a municipality owning a car.

One other thing that screams SCAM to me is the BENCH SEAT. As far as I know there are NO bench seat Chargers until 1970. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one too.

[Dans 68]

Um, look at the car...it is not a '68. Other than that, I have no idea.... 

[bull]

One other thing that screams SCAM to me is the BENCH SEAT. As far as I know there are NO bench seat Chargers until 1970. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one too.

If this car is for real it would include several firsts on a '68, including bench seats. To date I've never seen a verifiable account of there ever being a 2nd gen Charger placed into service as a police car. As far as the front seats the only thing they could have done was install some seats out of another B-body because there were no bench seats for Chargers in '68 or '69, only '70 in the base model. Maybe it went to some higher up police chief or something who never used it for anything but driving to meetings. And why would there be no holes for emblems? Seems to me the company or dealer is not going to go through the trouble to close them all up when the remainder of the entire fleet had them. And why would anyone care if the name of the car was displayed? No one has cared before or since. Sounds pretty far-fetched to me but we've seen a few come true around here. This is definitely something that would need to be verified by someone with clout, like Galen. BTW, if it's all true the price is too low... red flag.

[69_500]

Um, look at the car...it is not a '68. Other than that, I have no idea.... 

Not sure on what car your looking at, because the add does not have any photo's as of yet.

[Dans 68]

Um, look at the car...it is not a '68. Other than that, I have no idea.... 

Not sure on what car your looking at, because the add does not have any photo's as of yet.

Sorry 'bout that, Bull...you are right. I mistook the postee's ride for the one in question. Based upon this, next week is going to be a bear....

[RD]

there was a challenger that was bought and put into California Highway Patrol usage, had 2.76 posi rearend specially installed for highway pursuits, I believe it was a 440 or hemi car, i read it in a mopar magazine 4 to 5 years back or so.

because of that, i would say that this is still plausible.  The a/c thing brings to question, but who is to say the dude did not add a aftermarket unit on there?

[deputycrawford]

I live in the Toledo, Ohio area. I am only 1 hour south of Detroit and have sent him an e-mail for an appointment to see the car in person. We'll see if he e-mails me back. I'll find a digital camera if he lets me go see it. I'm no true expert but I have had mine apart many times, as well as worked on a few other second gens. I have also researched and decoded a buddy's 69 R/T SE 4 speed car. I still have to find out a couple of the final details but I think I have just enough experience to copy the VIN and fender tag info. I will also look for the torque boxes if it is a Hemi car. Give me a list of other things to look for in a Hemi car or Municipal car.

[hemi68charger]

No tach? Thats not uncommon either, even for a 4 speed car, so its definately not a 1 off thing for an AT car to come without a tach. I'm not positive for 68, but I don't think that the 3.23 ratio for rear end was available. I think that you were limited in your choices to the 8 3/4 3.55 or 3.91 or the Dana with 3.54 or 4.10. Or am I mistaken?

Danny, not only is my '68 an original 3.23 car, it's also lacking a sure-grip... But, it'll have one now.........

Troy

[bull]

Um, look at the car...it is not a '68. Other than that, I have no idea.... 

Not sure on what car your looking at, because the add does not have any photo's as of yet.

Sorry 'bout that, Bull...you are right. I mistook the postee's ride for the one in question. Based upon this, next week is going to be a bear....

I didn't say anything.

[Ghoste]

But if there's no tach, there should be a clock.  This ad says no tach or clock.

[tan top]

 

[bull]

But if there's no tach, there should be a clock.  This ad says no tach or clock.

Correct. The only 2nd gen that came with neither from the factory was the base model '70 as far as I know. Mine just had a blank plate with crosshairs in that spot. Maybe some of the other '70s had no clock but any '68 would have had either/or. But then there are plenty of major discrepancies in this car, or at least the story on this car.

[1BAD68]

Why would this guy go through all that trouble to fake (original sale paperwork, build sheet and fender tags) for 120K?
Just the fact that its an original one owner Hemi Charger would bring its value near that.
I'd say this car is very possible and probably a really early build car.
If I was rich I would be all over it, wouldn't be hard to confirm if its real or not

[RECHRGD]

Why would this guy go through all that trouble to fake (original sale paperwork, build sheet and fender tags) for 120K?
Just the fact that its an original one owner Hemi Charger would bring its value near that.
I'd say this car is very possible and probably a really early build car.
If I was rich I would be all over it, wouldn't be hard to confirm if its real or not

I agree.  I think alot of the descrepancies noted about the ad could simply be that the seller (Owner's Son) does not know the car that well.  He's not coming across like the typical scam artist.  He wants potential buyers to come inspect and drive the car.  It will be interesting to see what kind of response DeputyCrawford gets.  Bob

[chargerman68]

Um, look at the car...it is not a '68. Other than that, I have no idea.... 

is it me i dont see a picture

[bull]

Why would this guy go through all that trouble to fake (original sale paperwork, build sheet and fender tags) for 120K?
Just the fact that its an original one owner Hemi Charger would bring its value near that.
I'd say this car is very possible and probably a really early build car.
If I was rich I would be all over it, wouldn't be hard to confirm if its real or not

I agree.  I think alot of the descrepancies noted about the ad could simply be that the seller (Owner's Son) does not know the car that well.  He's not coming across like the typical scam artist.  He wants potential buyers to come inspect and drive the car.  It will be interesting to see what kind of response DeputyCrawford gets.  Bob

That's a very good possibility. In fact, with all these crazy options I'm beginning to wonder if it's even a Charger. Guess we'll find out if he ever posts some pix.

[triple_green]

This is interesting in light of another Charger I discovered here locally. It is a 71 Charger SE, but the guy worked for Chrysler in the early 70s and claims that he ordered it with the Washington State patrol pursuit 440 in it. He says it was basically a 6-pack engine with a 850 cfm carb from the factory. I saw the car and the VIN decodes to a 440 car. I also saw a period correct looking 850 carb. I asked him to see the build sheet, but he never produced it, I think it was still under the back seat of the car.

He seemed to think his car was worth a lot of money and was afraid I was going to give the info to the wrong people and cause him problems. He claimed someone from Hemmings had been hounding him about buying the car. The engine was out of the car on an engine stand. He had had it built up with racing components. (not my bag) for an unusual factory car.

3X

[41husk]

i agree, triple green, but there are many people with tubbed and highly modified R/Ts and rallye cars.  Not my thing either.  It seems there are enough plain janes to alter

[chargerman68]

 

[69_500]

Thanks for the correction there Troy. If I was you I'd prefer the 3.23 gears in a HEMI, boy would that thing run on the highway.

[RECHRGD]

Thanks for the correction there Troy. If I was you I'd prefer the 3.23 gears in a HEMI, boy would that thing run on the highway.

Actually most of the R/Ts with an 8 3/4 rear came with 3.23's.   Bob

[69CoronetRT]

Thanks for the correction there Troy. If I was you I'd prefer the 3.23 gears in a HEMI, boy would that thing run on the highway.

Actually most of the R/Ts with an 8 3/4 rear came with 3.23's.   Bob

The 3.55 gears were released later in the '68 model year for the 383. Pretty sure they were not available for the Hemi or 440 in '68. The 3.91s were not an option for the Hemi/440 cars. The 3.55 and 4.10 were an option for Hemi/440 automatics in 69.

[69CoronetRT]

One other thing that screams SCAM to me is the BENCH SEAT. As far as I know there are NO bench seat Chargers until 1970. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one too.

To date I've never seen a verifiable account of there ever being a 2nd gen Charger placed into service as a police car.

I understand what you're saying about a second gen being purchased as a fleet patrol car like a Coronet or Polara but this one was purchased by a LEO and used as a patrol car. I think this is a great pic...

[bull]

One other thing that screams SCAM to me is the BENCH SEAT. As far as I know there are NO bench seat Chargers until 1970. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one too.

To date I've never seen a verifiable account of there ever being a 2nd gen Charger placed into service as a police car.

I understand what you're saying about a second gen being purchased as a fleet patrol car like a Coronet or Polara but this one was purchased by a LEO and used as a patrol car. I think this is a great pic...

That's cool. It doesn't surprise me that some of them were used here and there but you just never see or hear much of anything about them. I guess they could use pretty much whatever they wanted in some cases. What does LEO stand for?

[69CoronetRT]

Sorry...LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

[bull]

Sorry...LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

That guy obviously didn't care about badging. He even left the R/T door scoop on it.

[69CoronetRT]

Sorry...LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

That guy obviously didn't care about badging. He even left the R/T door scoop on it.

I wonder which was more intimidating...the star on the door telling you he was a cop or the R/T badging saying you weren't going to out run him.

[DodgeChargerNeeded]

So who is gonna be the first to step up to the plate and go look at the supposed 68 Police Hemi. I'm about 2 hours from Grand Rapids but I'm not going to waste the guys time because I wouldn't buy it even if I had $120,000.

[nakita7]

I talked to a guy in Vancouver who claimed he had a 68 Charger RT that was used as a cop car as well. The car was sent to Mexico, used as a cop car there, and eventually made it's way to Canada. I believe it was a 440 auto. I don't think he had documents, but there are some heavy duty mods done to the wiring in the car. I wasn't interested in the car at the time (about 2 years ago).

[Ghoste]

Last I checked, there were still no pics up.  Anyone else seen any yet?

[drdodge340]

http://www.inthejob.com/nswdaveCharger.jpg

You could get a police package Aussie charger no problem!

Saw one while visiting. a bit dorky looking compared to American stuff but cool in a warped sense

[bull]

I emailed the guy but he didn't respond. The ad is still up but no pictures as promised. I think what happened is this guy got confused due to the '06 Charger being produced and he thinks his four-door '68 Polara without emblems is actually a Charger. Basically it's the same mistake Chrysler made.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Sorry...LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

That guy obviously didn't care about badging. He even left the R/T door scoop on it.

I wonder which was more intimidating...the star on the door telling you he was a cop or the R/T badging saying you weren't going to out run him.

Cool pic but 3x GREEN for a cop car?  Matches the uniform though...

[Old Moparz]

From what I read in the ad, I don't see anything that leads me to believe the guy is a scam artist. We've all seen & heard people who are armed with just enough info to be an embarrassment to themselves without knowing it, & that's what I think this seller has done. He may have had very little interest in cars & just doesn't know enough about the car to advertise it correctly. Even if he had an interest & some general knowledge, the average hobbyist wouldn't know all of the details in the Mopar end of the hobby.

My guess is that it could be a real Hemi car, or may have been a 440 car with A/C that had a Hemi swapped into it way back when it was fairly new. If his dad did do the swap, as his son, he may have always known the car as a Hemi car. If he's ignorant to the numbers part of the hobby, then he'll find out soon from emails & such. I'm not defending the guy, I just don't see this as a scam yet. If it's not a scam or a mistake, then it could be simply an aggressive seller trying to hype up a car to be better than it is.

Until someone sees the car, or the seller posts photos & backs up anything, I would just stay skeptical & wait to decide. I will say that the A/C thing is the biggest red flag.

[41husk]

From what I read in the ad, I don't see anything that leads me to believe the guy is a scam artist. We've all seen & heard people who are armed with just enough info to be an embarrassment to themselves without knowing it, & that's what I think this seller has done. He may have had very little interest in cars & just doesn't know enough about the car to advertise it correctly. Even if he had an interest & some general knowledge, the average hobbyist wouldn't know all of the details in the Mopar end of the hobby.

My guess is that it could be a real Hemi car, or may have been a 440 car with A/C that had a Hemi swapped into it way back when it was fairly new. If his dad did do the swap, as his son, he may have always known the car as a Hemi car. If he's ignorant to the numbers part of the hobby, then he'll find out soon from emails & such. I'm not defending the guy, I just don't see this as a scam yet. If it's not a scam or a mistake, then it could be simply an aggressive seller trying to hype up a car to be better than it is.

Until someone sees the car, or the seller posts photos & backs up anything, I would just stay skeptical & wait to decide. I will say that the A/C thing is the biggest red flag.

I would agree, give the guy the benefit of the doubt, with BJ some one may have told the guy your dads old car is worth t least 100k, so the guy list it.  I would like to see some pics.

[bull]

I don't know that too many of us are saying he's a scammer. More likely that he doesn't know what he's talking about. But without pics and/or a personal visit it's awful hard to tell.

[moparstuart]

I don't know that too many of us are saying he's a scammer. More likely that he doesn't know what he's talking about. But without pics and/or a personal visit it's awful hard to tell.

sure is taking him a long time to post pictures

[The70RT]

I don't know that too many of us are saying he's a scammer. More likely that he doesn't know what he's talking about. But without pics and/or a personal visit it's awful hard to tell.

  sure is taking him a long time to post pictures

Sure is, I was wanting to see those MASSIVE sway bars.

[bull]

I got an email from the guy tonight saying that the car sold today. Guess we'll never know what the deal was with it unless it was purchased by a dc.com member.

[41husk]

120k firm? and he sold it that fast in this market, with the many disputed items in the description.  I now call BS.  He has been bombbarded with questions , comments and possibly even people checking the car out, have led him to realize he doesn't own the rare 1 of none car and has pulled it off the market.

[TK73]

I think what happened is this guy got confused due to the '06 Charger being produced and he thinks his four-door '68 Polara without emblems is actually a Charger. Basically it's the same mistake Chrysler made.

GD!!  dats funny 

[Charger_Fan]

I understand what you're saying about a second gen being purchased as a fleet patrol car like a Coronet or Polara but this one was purchased by a LEO and used as a patrol car. I think this is a great pic...

That is an awesome pic, nice find!

[Spike]

He never posted a picture but now the ad says SOLD!! 

1968 Dodge Charger with factory 426 hemi ...S O L D...

[RECHRGD]

So we'll never know? Damn!

[Ghoste]

I think we already know, but trust me, if it's real it will be in all the Mopar mags just in time for it's B-J world debut. 

[69_500]

I don't think you'll have to worry about seeing any magazing articles on it. Unless you read the national enquirer.

[The70RT]

If it is out there it will surface soooon.....but i wouldn't get my hopes up. Why would anyone say they have what they don't???....crazy

[Dennis K]

If this car is anything rare or unusual and has been in 15 car shows as the seller claims, I would think that someone would have seen or heard about it, especially since the world has become so small via the internet. It would still be interesting to find out what the guy was selling.

[Brock Samson]

im sure it'll be out there cruisin with the Modtop Daytona,

did those picters ever come in?..   

[69_500]

I think that the drug store must have burned to the ground when they knocked the candle over in amazement at seeing the photo's being printed on the maching. It fell over, and caught the film on fire, burning down the entire store.

[squeakfinder]

I don't think you'll have to worry about seeing any magazing articles on it. Unless you read the national enquirer.

[The70RT]

If this car is anything rare or unusual and has been in 15 car shows as the seller claims, I would think that someone would have seen or heard about it, especially since the world has become so small via the internet. It would still be interesting to find out what the guy was selling.

totally...there woulda been pics somewhere as many people are on this site and other MoPar sites taking in more info than I can fathom. It seems some people chime in when they got a case and monitor this site and register. Just to see if he is monitoring this one...YOUR A JACK ASS JOKE case closed......

[TK73]

Have to agree if this was an odd-ball rare car it'll surface with verification soon enough... 

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

I talked to a guy in Vancouver who claimed he had a 68 Charger RT that was used as a cop car as well. The car was sent to Mexico, used as a cop car there, and eventually made it's way to Canada. I believe it was a 440 auto. I don't think he had documents, but there are some heavy duty mods done to the wiring in the car. I wasn't interested in the car at the time (about 2 years ago).

That is my buddy Marco's car its an original triple green stripe delete 68 r/t that used to be a mexican cop car, he also owns a restored triple black 70 charger r/t 440-6 pack 4-speed and an ex cop 70 2dr fury that he restoring to a street brusier with nitrous and all-MATT

[69bronzeT5]

he also owns a restored triple black 70 charger r/t 440-6 pack 4-speed

this car......

[41husk]

both verry nice 

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

he also owns a restored triple black 70 charger r/t 440-6 pack 4-speed

this car......

yep thats it