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Was 73 SE H codes rarer then M codes?

Started by Mo Power, October 23, 2007, 10:33:13 PM

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Mo Power

Ok well I was wondering because when I looked up vins the H code which I presume is a 360  that it had more horsepower then the 400 but I must being making a mistake right?  And was there any other trim that was avaiable on the trunklids other then the chorme bottom piece? Also did they have 500 mags  you could have on 73 and 74s as option? And because I ask about trunlikd trim is that I ran into a weird setup on the back of one which I'll get a picture of soon.
1973 Charger SE
1972 Roadrunner-1 of 34 power sunroofs                                
          Crazy colors, Wacky decals, and Massive engines
                      That's what Mopars alll about

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Mo Power on October 23, 2007, 10:33:13 PM
Ok well I was wondering because when I looked up vins the H code which I presume is a 360  that it had more horsepower then the 400 but I must being making a mistake right? 

H = 240 horse 340 4bbl
M= 175 horse 400 2bbl

QuoteAlso did they have 500 mags  you could have on 73 and 74s as option?

Yes. The Chrome road wheels were an option both years.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

69charger2002

now we see why the 400 is considered a boat anchor unless you stroke it. 175 hp that is disgusting for a big block
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Nacho-RT74

Quote from: 69charger2002 on October 23, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
now we see why the 400 is considered a boat anchor unless you stroke it. 175 hp that is disgusting for a big block

that is 2bbls... 4 bbls are 260, what is still is LOOOOOW fro a big block, but noticeable better than 2 bbls. And everything basicalkly because the PISTONS... change that and you come back to the real numbers for a BB
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

69charger2002

wait in 73 on a 400, the difference between a 2 bbl 400 and a 4 bbl 400 is 85 hp? i just looked it up, that is WILD
trav
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1972Rallye

Quote from: Mo Power on October 23, 2007, 10:33:13 PM
Ok well I was wondering because when I looked up vins the H code which I presume is a 360  that it had more horsepower then the 400 but I must being making a mistake right?  And was there any other trim that was avaiable on the trunklids other then the chorme bottom piece? Also did they have 500 mags  you could have on 73 and 74s as option? And because I ask about trunlikd trim is that I ran into a weird setup on the back of one which I'll get a picture of soon.

H = 340 as stated above, but the 340 was not available on SE's - only with the A57 Rallye Package.

Hamtramck Historical is an excellent resource for info. Member Alaskan TA runs it and it is awesome! Thanks, Barry! :2thumbs:

Here's a link to the Dealership Data Book for Chargers (others are available as well):
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1973DealershipDataBook-06.shtml

41husk

SE is the most produced charger in both 73 and 74,  I still wouldn't consider them common, as the ones still out there have survived 32-33 years,  I would say the SE is not as desirable as the rallye or any 71-72 charger :Twocents:
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

Mo Power

Well this was an SE and I know it's fifth digit was an H so could an SE model also have the rallye package with it?
1973 Charger SE
1972 Roadrunner-1 of 34 power sunroofs                                
          Crazy colors, Wacky decals, and Massive engines
                      That's what Mopars alll about

terrible one

Quote from: 69charger2002 on October 23, 2007, 11:18:23 PM
wait in 73 on a 400, the difference between a 2 bbl 400 and a 4 bbl 400 is 85 hp? i just looked it up, that is WILD
trav

Haha damn that's what I was thinking!  :o

41husk

I did not think there were any Rallye SE models?  but never say never!
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

RD

the 73 2bbl 400's still packed some punch.  I beat a 70 LS4 chevelle on a run from 60 mph to 130.

my car, then, a 73 se 400 2bbl, 2.76 gears and single exhaust.  chevelle was pretty too, just not pretty fast. :D
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

1972Rallye

Quote from: Mo Power on October 24, 2007, 10:47:55 AM
Well this was an SE and I know it's fifth digit was an H so could an SE model also have the rallye package with it?

Are you sure?  If it is an SE, the VIN will start with WP29_3...  All the literature says the Rallye package was not available with the SE model and the 340 was available with the Rallye package only (A57).

If you have pics, post 'em and that would make things easier to identify...

41husk

I agree everything I have read says you could not even special order a 340 with anything but the rallye package in 73.  The 440 was only offered in rallye or SE but there was A57 packages available in SE model, regaurdless of drive train :shruggy:  Maybe he has found the 1 of 1.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

69CoronetRT

Quote from: 41husk on October 24, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
I agree everything I have read says you could not even special order a 340 with anything but the rallye package in 73.  The 440 was only offered in rallye or SE but there was A57 packages available in SE model, regaurdless of drive train :shruggy:  Maybe he has found the 1 of 1.

Checking out the link posted above to the data books:

340 was Rallye package only. (notice there is no such listed restricton for the 440 opening up the possibility you could have a 440 non A57 car. Research continues...)
A57 Rally package N/A  on SE cars.
Therefore no 340 SE unless it can be proven via the Broadcast sheet.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

69CoronetRT

Quote from: 1972Rallye on October 24, 2007, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: Mo Power on October 24, 2007, 10:47:55 AM
Well this was an SE and I know it's fifth digit was an H so could an SE model also have the rallye package with it?

Are you sure?  If it is an SE, the VIN will start with WP29_2...  All the literature says the Rallye package was not available with the SE model and the 340 was available with the Rallye package only (A57).

If you have pics, post 'em and that would make things easier to identify...

:iagree: Can you post any pictures of the VIN, tag or Broadcast sheet? An SE will have the Rallye dash but not the entire Rallye package.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

41husk

in 73 440 was available with SE or rallye, 340 was rallye only according to several different publications.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

Mo Power

Sorry to give up everyones hope up but I found out it's an N code not an H I could of sworn it was an H. Sorry about that
1973 Charger SE
1972 Roadrunner-1 of 34 power sunroofs                                
          Crazy colors, Wacky decals, and Massive engines
                      That's what Mopars alll about

ralley72

I looked up the N code in the little white book, only shows up in 1974 not 73. E64 400 4bbl 200 hp.
1973 has M code E 63  400 2 bbl at 175hp ( rw) what ever that means and M code E63 400 2 bbl at 185hp( pdc) i don't know what pdc means either. Could it be a 74 with N code or 73 with M code?

Mike
1973 Roadrunner 400 mag. 4 sp

1972Rallye

Quote from: ralley72 on October 24, 2007, 08:31:53 PM
I looked up the N code in the little white book, only shows up in 1974 not 73. E64 400 4bbl 200 hp.
1973 has M code E 63  400 2 bbl at 175hp ( rw) what ever that means and M code E63 400 2 bbl at 185hp( pdc) i don't know what pdc means either. Could it be a 74 with N code or 73 with M code?

Mike

R/W = Plymouth & Dodge B-Bodies respectively
P/D/C = Plymouth/Dodge/Chrysler full size