New Challenger is due soon, is this a threat to old muscle?

[1969chargerrtse]

So the new Challenger is due this spring I believe?  Soon after the new Camaro, big horse power, convertible tops, what's your thought on this to those of us that love old muscle?  I have to be honest, I was holding on to my last classic until the new Challenger came out.  I was thinking about the idea of shiny new paint, the smell of leather, working A/C and just owning a new toy.  A feeling that would be just about as close as one could get to buying new Hemi car back in 69.  Problem was, I was only 13 then.  Why did I change my mind and buy a 69 Charger (that has been a trip and 1/2, actually thats all I got out of it until it spent a rod).  Well, a one income family, 3 kids, college soon around the corner, and most of all.  High tax's year after year, depreciation year after year, that was pretty much my turn around thought on it.  I think It's going to effect a lot in the muscle car world, what do you think?  If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like?   Any thoughts on this awesome new car coming our way soon?   

[TK73]

New Challenger is F@$#!N COOL!!

I've been interested in getting something new for a few months now, damn near bought a Scion xB in August to have a reliable econobox...
Now the Mustangs are lookin good to have something fun.  If Diamler hadn't f@$#ed up the Charger I'd probably have bought one by now.

We have a good 10-11 months before the '09 hits ('08s gonna be "limited") so we have time...

[69charger2002]

i think the impact will be slight.. these cars are now toys, and guys will always have toys. the new challenger is going to be a mixture of both.. toy and daily driver.. if i can afford one after they bring the price down to reality after the first year.. i'll buy one.. if not so be it. BUT i will not go sell a couple of my old classic chargers to buy a new challenger. no way in hell. i could see where someone that has had terrible luck and not been able to enjoy that thrill of driving a 69 charger would want to give up and buy a new chally.. but overall i don't think it will affect our hobby all that much. our cars are just too cool. i think what will have more of an impact on our classic car hobby than new muscle cars coming out.. is baby boomers getting older and buying less of their "childhood" cars. THEY may turn to the new challengers/camaros etc more than most of us. personally that would be fine with me, i'll just buy more of them if the price goes down!
trav

[70charginglizard]

i think the impact will be slight.. these cars are now toys, and guys will always have toys. the new challenger is going to be a mixture of both.. toy and daily driver.. if i can afford one after they bring the price down to reality after the first year.. i'll buy one.. if not so be it. BUT i will not go sell a couple of my old classic chargers to buy a new challenger. no way in hell. i could see where someone that has had terrible luck and not been able to enjoy that thrill of driving a 69 charger would want to give up and buy a new chally.. but overall i don't think it will affect our hobby all that much. our cars are just too cool. i think what will have more of an impact on our classic car hobby than new muscle cars coming out.. is baby boomers getting older and buying less of their "childhood" cars. THEY may turn to the new challengers/camaros etc more than most of us. personally that would be fine with me, i'll just buy more of them if the price goes down!
trav

[PocketThunder]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like? 

Hell no!  I'd give er a shot. 

[TruckDriver]

i think the impact will be slight.. these cars are now toys, and guys will always have toys. the new challenger is going to be a mixture of both.. toy and daily driver.. if i can afford one after they bring the price down to reality after the first year.. i'll buy one.. if not so be it. BUT i will not go sell a couple of my old classic chargers to buy a new challenger. no way in hell. i could see where someone that has had terrible luck and not been able to enjoy that thrill of driving a 69 charger would want to give up and buy a new chally.. but overall i don't think it will affect our hobby all that much. our cars are just too cool. i think what will have more of an impact on our classic car hobby than new muscle cars coming out.. is baby boomers getting older and buying less of their "childhood" cars. THEY may turn to the new challengers/camaros etc more than most of us. personally that would be fine with me, i'll just buy more of them if the price goes down!
trav

[1969chargerrtse]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like? 

Hell no!  I'd give er a shot. 

Oh, I bet you would

[1969chargerrtse]

i think the impact will be slight.. these cars are now toys, and guys will always have toys. the new challenger is going to be a mixture of both.. toy and daily driver.. if i can afford one after they bring the price down to reality after the first year.. I'll buy one.. if not so be it. BUT i will not go sell a couple of my old classic chargers to buy a new challenger. no way in hell. i could see where someone that has had terrible luck and not been able to enjoy that thrill of driving a 69 charger would want to give up and buy a new chally.. but overall i don't think it will affect our hobby all that much. our cars are just too cool. i think what will have more of an impact on our classic car hobby than new muscle cars coming out.. is baby boomers getting older and buying less of their "childhood" cars. THEY may turn to the new challengers/camaros etc more than most of us. personally that would be fine with me, i'll just buy more of them if the price goes down!
trav

Hope you don't mean me!  My Charger ain't going no where.  I took the heads off today.  Most of the bolts were loose, and some so tight the impact gun couldn't move them, I had to get a long breaker bar.  I knew right there it was slapped together by a non pro.  My Mopar buddy that dropped off the NOV 68 440 block for my car (the build date of my car also mind you), said that 77 block is a thin wall block and should not of been bored, and it was.  So as others said, it's not the cars fault, so I'm not mad at it anymore.

[0X01B8]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like?   Any thoughts on this awesome new car coming our way soon?   

I think I'd have to run him, just to see what 40 years difference makes.  I'd buy one but that's prolly not going to happen, not at new car prices.  What are they going to sell for, $40-50k?   

[1969chargerrtse]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like?   Any thoughts on this awesome new car coming our way soon?   

I think I'd have to run him, just to see what 40 years difference makes.  I'd buy one but that's prolly not going to happen, not at new car prices.  What are they going to sell for, $40-50k?   

I would think in the 30's. they have to compete with the Mustang.  I'm sure Dodge wants to sell cars,then you will have your limited edition models etc  bringing in  the 40 to 50 mark.

[no318]

I spoke with a local dealer last week and he said that it is ONLY going to be SRT challengers for the first year and 5000 or so built.  I asked about $$ and he said that the #'s weren't released, but he is thinking high $40's like other SRT 8's.   Maybe someone else has other info.

[remta1]

I would by a new chally for a daily driver they look awesome  , but it just cant compare to the charger to let of some steamand have some fun  , they bring back so many memories ( just like when you listen to certain songs ) its like comparing gas to electricity ( the new challenger being " gas " and the 1st to 3rd generation chargers being  "electricity ") lol ...ahhh the good old days

[bull]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like?   Any thoughts on this awesome new car coming our way soon?   

I'll wait until the second year and race a six-banger. Just kidding. I think anything that pays homage to the muscle car era is a good thing, and that's exactly what the new Mustang, Challenger and Camaro do, in addition to saying we're still players in the auto market and we refuse to go away or be ignored.

[nakita7]

Look at it this way...

'X' number of guys are going to buy a Challenger in the next year.

'Y' number of old ones will be for sale, 'Z' number of new ones will be for sale.

If X and Y were the only ones in the equation, things would stay status quo. Throw Z into the equation, means less of Y will be sold. The price of Y's will go down, if they are to be sold.

Chrysler isn't stupid. They study demographics a lot. There seem to be a lot of people with $50,000 burning a hole in their pockets for Muscle Cars the last couple years. Chrysler says "Hmmm..maybe we could get some of that money (and finance them at the same time!)". Y + Z simply means more Challengers on the planet. More Challengers, means the price will go down (slight or lots). Law of supply and demand. Chrysler is going to do all it can to get more people to throw money their way.

Trust me, Mopars are not going to go up forever. The prices have dipped in the past, they will dip again. Sorry, everything is cyclic when it comes to finances. I hope the prices do come down so I can buy more. 

[HemiDave]

  My Mopar buddy that dropped off the NOV 68 440 block for my car (the build date of my car also mind you), said that 77 block is a thin wall block and should not of been bored, and it was.  So as others said, it's not the cars fault, so I'm not mad at it anymore.

There is NO SUCH THING as a thin wall block....to repeat, there is NO SUCH THING as a thin wall block! Not to offend, just I am SO tired of that myth!! Thanks!

http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm

New Challenger....I'll wait.

Dave

[Mike DC]

I wouldn't care if the new Chally had 450 hp and sold for less than a nice 383 '69 Charger.  I'd still spend my money on old Chargers. 

   

[moparstuart]

 If they had a convert challenger I buy it right now
add  a 6.1  hemi and a shaker hood    I'd die right there

[keepat]

Look at it this way...

'X' number of guys are going to buy a Challenger in the next year.

'Y' number of old ones will be for sale, 'Z' number of new ones will be for sale.

If X and Y were the only ones in the equation, things would stay status quo. Throw Z into the equation, means less of Y will be sold. The price of Y's will go down, if they are to be sold.

Chrysler isn't stupid. They study demographics a lot. There seem to be a lot of people with $50,000 burning a hole in their pockets for Muscle Cars the last couple years. Chrysler says "Hmmm..maybe we could get some of that money (and finance them at the same time!)". Y + Z simply means more Challengers on the planet. More Challengers, means the price will go down (slight or lots). Law of supply and demand. Chrysler is going to do all it can to get more people to throw money their way.

Trust me, Mopars are not going to go up forever. The prices have dipped in the past, they will dip again. Sorry, everything is cyclic when it comes to finances. I hope the prices do come down so I can buy more. 

I'm not sure that's how it will work with the new Challenger. The new 05+Mustang may have drop the value of pre 05 Mustangs but 1964 to1972 Mustangs have not drop in price! And the production number for the 05 Mustang was over 150,000 the first year!    

[Joshua]

If a new high horse power Challenger rolled up next to you at a stop light, and it was just you two, and he smiled and revved the gas, would you do the same, or just say " Good day mate" and roll away real slow like?

The driver of the new Challenger would be heading to the dealer to get new doors........once the smoke cleared.....

These new musclecars??? are a deparate grasp at the past for the manufacturers....old cars are "in", so to speak, and they're trying to cash in on that.....it ain't gonna save 'em......

[nakita7]

Look at it this way...

'X' number of guys are going to buy a Challenger in the next year.

'Y' number of old ones will be for sale, 'Z' number of new ones will be for sale.

If X and Y were the only ones in the equation, things would stay status quo. Throw Z into the equation, means less of Y will be sold. The price of Y's will go down, if they are to be sold.

Chrysler isn't stupid. They study demographics a lot. There seem to be a lot of people with $50,000 burning a hole in their pockets for Muscle Cars the last couple years. Chrysler says "Hmmm..maybe we could get some of that money (and finance them at the same time!)". Y + Z simply means more Challengers on the planet. More Challengers, means the price will go down (slight or lots). Law of supply and demand. Chrysler is going to do all it can to get more people to throw money their way.

Trust me, Mopars are not going to go up forever. The prices have dipped in the past, they will dip again. Sorry, everything is cyclic when it comes to finances. I hope the prices do come down so I can buy more. 

I'm not sure that's how it will work with the new Challenger. The new 05+Mustang may have drop the value of pre 05 Mustangs but 1964 to1972 Mustangs have not drop in price! And the production number for the 05 Mustang was over 150,000 the first year!    

I know, I thought about it that way. Just a theory, let's see what happens....

[hemihead]

I don't think it's much of a threat. The new Challenger is just a shade of it's former self. The outside resembles the old but with things like Air Bags, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and Cup Holders, Engine Management Systems,Electronic Traction Control,GPS, etc. , etc. , it's just another way of getting more money out of aging , non automotive types.

[TK73]

I don't think it's much of a threat. The new Challenger is just a shade of it's former self. The outside resembles the old but with things like Air Bags, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and Cup Holders, Engine Management Systems,Electronic Traction Control,GPS, etc. , etc. , it's just another way of getting more money out of aging , non automotive types.

That's funny; just about 40 years after the originals... I wonder if in '70 there were a bunch of guys sitting around bitching about them "new fangled gadgets" such as power steering, power brakes, power windows, FM, seat belts, curved glass and pining for the "good 'ol days" of 1930s auto purity...

I'll take my '09 in Hemi Orange with a 5.7 thank you....

[69charger2002]

lol good point

[1969chargerrtse]

I don't think it's much of a threat. The new Challenger is just a shade of it's former self. The outside resembles the old but with things like Air Bags, Cruise Control, Heated Seats and Cup Holders, Engine Management Systems,Electronic Traction Control,GPS, etc. , etc. , it's just another way of getting more money out of aging , non automotive types.

That's funny; just about 40 years after the originals... I wonder if in '70 there were a bunch of guys sitting around bitching about them "new fangled gadgets" such as power steering, power brakes, power windows, FM, seat belts, curved glass and pining for the "good 'ol days" of 1930s auto purity...

I'll take my '09 in Hemi Orange with a 5.7 thank you....

That's funny, and 

[twenty mike mike]

The new Challenger will cause boomers with holes in their hair to buy original Challengers and Barracudas/Cudas to relive the street racing days they never had in their youth. Those buyers will be the ones who don't realize the new one is coming, but they won't be able to miss the commercials on TV Land. So the old ones will go up for a while, then the boomers (and their wives) will bemoan the lack of creature comforts and sell them, so there will be some really good deals on the market. After that, prices will go back to normal. Even the '72-'74 Challengers will command a premium since the buyers won't know the difference.

The same thing happened to Prowlers and hot rods.

Chargers probably won't be affected much.

[kylem4711]

i spoke to a rep from chrysler and he said for tthe first 4 months, it wil probably be hard to get your hands on one, because of mark ups and limited quantity,  but after that, they should be pretty reasonably prices,   he said it would compare in prices to the chargers,     

also, no talks of the convertible.....      he said theres a chance it will happen, but nothing AT ALL has been said about it.

he made sure to tell me that this would not be a specialty car like the viper or prowler.  this car will be made so that it willl be seen on the road.

he also said that they would like to compete in prices with the mustang,  but the challenger will be made much better than the mustang, so you will pay more to get better quality, blah blah.    man that guy hated mustangs too.... ha


anyway, take what i said with a grain of salt or whatever that saying is,

just thought i would pass along what he told me.





o yeah, i also told him that im mad at dodge for creating this new "charger 4 door" instead of creating the charger concept car that they showed.     he said yeah, i get that a lot, and he liked the concept more too.

[dukeboy_318]

i dont think so, the only thing it might do is allow more people the chance to own something called a challenger.  Im not going to sell my 74 charger and buy the new chally,  theres no way its going to kill the classic car market, if anythin itll make people want the old ones

[TK73]

he also said that they would like to compete in prices with the mustang,  but the challenger will be made much better than the mustang, so you will pay more to get better quality, blah blah.    man that guy hated mustangs too.... ha

Probably pissed 'cuz Mustangs have been flying off lots (over 350,000 sold in 3 years) and Damnler didn't give their dealers anything cool to sell...

[68charger383]

Probably pissed 'cuz Mustangs have been flying off lots (over 350,000 sold in 3 years) and Damnler didn't give their dealers anything cool to sell...

Kind of reminds me of the 60s..took GM and Mopar a few years to wake up and play catch up.

I plan on buying one once they come down to the Mustang price range. However, I'll want the SRT-8 or whatever they call the nice one and I'm sure that will be like the Shelby....only for the guy willing to pay $25K over sticker.

[moparstuart]

i spoke to a rep from chrysler and he said for tthe first 4 months, it wil probably be hard to get your hands on one, because of mark ups and limited quantity,  but after that, they should be pretty reasonably prices,   he said it would compare in prices to the chargers,     

also, no talks of the convertible.....      he said theres a chance it will happen, but nothing AT ALL has been said about it.

he made sure to tell me that this would not be a specialty car like the viper or prowler.  this car will be made so that it willl be seen on the road.

he also said that they would like to compete in prices with the mustang,  but the challenger will be made much better than the mustang, so you will pay more to get better quality, blah blah.    man that guy hated mustangs too.... ha


anyway, take what i said with a grain of salt or whatever that saying is,

just thought i would pass along what he told me.





o yeah, i also told him that im mad at dodge for creating this new "charger 4 door" instead of creating the charger concept car that they showed.     he said yeah, i get that a lot, and he liked the concept more too.

hopefully they wake up and make a convert   thats the one I wanna buy

[nh_mopar_fan]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-SRT8-Challenger-1st-Bid-Wins-Pre-Sale_W0QQitemZ170180358417QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[68RT4ME]

Personally, I had the choice of waiting for the New Challenger or even getting a new Shelby or getting what I have now. In my mind, it was no choice at all. Hands down, I prefer to have my '69 and '71 over either one of those others.

For a daily driver, I can drive pretty much anything but you simply cannot beat the COOL factor of these old Chargers no matter how gussied up they make the newer cars.

[hemihead]

I think even when you take an old style, add GPS, seat warmers , etc, all you have is still a new car. Let the past die. Either buy a new car or buy a Classic.

[1969chargerrtse]

I think even when you take an old style, add GPS, seat warmers , etc, all you have is still a new car. Let the past die. Either buy a new car or buy a Classic.

Not sure I agree with that, but see the point.  The Mustang was a huge success, and If I was a stang guy, I'd have a Shelby Conv in my garage.  If they ever do the Charger correct like 2nd gen, Hmmm, I'd be tempted, or least want one for the kids.  I love the retro look stuff.   I think it will be neat to see old and new on the streets.  I think it will give more respect for the old when you see the new, to know the car was so loved, an updated copy was designed, built, and produced.  Now that's flattering! 

[devilgear]

I have been waiting for the new Challenger to come out since I saw the concept 2 years ago. I am geting one as soon as my 06 Charger is paid off. By then they will have waaay more options and colors as well as the rumors that there may be a new Cuda and a redisgned 2 door Charger. As soon as I get it, then the real work can begin on my 73 Charger....I still want to drive it in the mean time. I don't think it will hurt the sport at all. Just help it. I am putting an addition on my house just for all the cars..My wife is real happy aout that.HAHAHAHA.

[1969chargerrtse]

I have been waiting for the new Challenger to come out since I saw the concept 2 years ago. I am geting one as soon as my 06 Charger is paid off. By then they will have waaay more options and colors as well as the rumors that there may be a new Cuda and a redisgned 2 door Charger. As soon as I get it, then the real work can begin on my 73 Charger....I still want to drive it in the mean time. I don't think it will hurt the sport at all. Just help it. I am putting an addition on my house just for all the cars..My wife is real happy aout that.HAHAHAHA.

Boy Santa's been good to you!  Pay off the new Charger, buy a new Challenger, build a bigger garage for all the new cars, Dang, can I hang with you? 

[daytonalo]

Cherry Hill Dodge is selling the First one to the highest bidder , this is what these criminals are doing . Send a check for with 5000 and write down how much you are willing to pay for , who ever has the highest bid wins , and they send the losing bid's deposit back

[devilgear]

"Boy Santa's been good to you!  Pay off the new Charger, buy a new Challenger, build a bigger garage for all the new cars, Dang, can I hang with you?"

Sure come on up......HAHAHAHHA. You can help me roof....HHHAHAHAHA 

[1969chargerrtse]

"Boy Santa's been good to you!  Pay off the new Charger, buy a new Challenger, build a bigger garage for all the new cars, Dang, can I hang with you?"

Sure come on up......HAHAHAHHA. You can help me roof....HHHAHAHAHA 

Did you say up?    Oh, I don't do up.  I'm "up" in CT now, and that's to up for me as it is.     Thanks, anyway.

[devilgear]

I can't even spell where your from...HAHAHAH. I'm in Minnesota so I allways have to say "Up here"...HAHAHAHA

[TK73]

I found it interesting in one article that was posted around here that the Challenger has over 8600 pre-orders, wonder how many the Char-onet had before its 4-door self came out??

[hemihead]

Funny, it's the SAME car 

[TK73]

Funny, it's the SAME car 

Same difference as the '66 Charger being the same as the Coronet... 

I have been on the prowl for a new car the last few months, almost bought Scion Econobox.  I REALLY want a 2-door cool car and if there had been a Charger made (not a Char-onet) I'd be driving one now.  The Challenger will be at least a year before it hits my price range.  TEMPTED to go Mustang GT.

[Ghoste]

Funny, it's the SAME car 

So Trevor Creed was wrong and styling has a LOT to do with a cars excitement factor?  (it's a rhetorical question)

[TK73]

It ain't gonna fly, they'll cancel that car before it hits the pavement.

Here's why: "There is no market for two-doors."

Here's the proof to that statement: Mustang sales are ONLY 10,000 per MONTH.  If there was a market for 2-doors that would be higher   

[Charger_Fan]

You would think they'd be more than happy to have the sort of sales Mustangs enjoy...ant the sort of fan base they have too.
"No market for 2-doors".

[Ghoste]

We probably should cut ole Trev' a little slack, he was just bringing forward something that Daimler I'm sure thought would be a huge monster hit.  Combine a European touring sedan, a market they know and understand very well, with an uncultured American V-8 and an iconic name.
Besides, he didn't really design it did he?  I thought he was just the guy that was forced to hand out the kool-aid and then fall on his sword?

[J-440]

  New Chally with the HEMI and 5 speed, modern amneties, and automatic everything...$45,000 (average).  Probably a heavy-ass car as well.  Decent gas mileage (of course you shouldn't worry about gas mileage when shelling out for a 50 grand car).  And within 6 months of hype and I gotta have it mentality, these cars will be everywhere. 
  My 68 Charger will be completed in late 08 for the same price and will completely kick the sh@t out of this car...all with modern amneties as well and will be an original car on the street.  If you have the money, great go buy a new Challenger.  Within 3 years the car will be worth 1/2 its value and you won't be the only kid on the block with the latest toy.  The classics will always be cool and worth a lot more.  In 2020 a 66-71 musclecar will still gain more looks than a new car ever will. 
  I will say to Dodge though that they have hit the bullseye with this car.  Very cool but just not worth my 50 grand.

[hemihead]

  New Chally with the HEMI and 5 speed, modern amneties, and automatic everything...$45,000 (average).  Probably a heavy-ass car as well.  Decent gas mileage (of course you shouldn't worry about gas mileage when shelling out for a 50 grand car).  And within 6 months of hype and I gotta have it mentality, these cars will be everywhere. 
  My 68 Charger will be completed in late 08 for the same price and will completely kick the sh@t out of this car...all with modern amneties as well and will be an original car on the street.  If you have the money, great go buy a new Challenger.  Within 3 years the car will be worth 1/2 its value and you won't be the only kid on the block with the latest toy.  The classics will always be cool and worth a lot more.  In 2020 a 66-71 musclecar will still gain more looks than a new car ever will. 
  I will say to Dodge though that they have hit the bullseye with this car.  Very cool but just not worth my 50 grand.

Amen to that brother !    These things will be bought by the same people that bought Camaros in the 70's and 80's and thought they were cool   

[devilgear]

$50,000? The first year yes, but they will drop the following year. I will get one then. Just like the new Charger droped in price a year later. 6 months they will lose half the value? Yeah your right, but what if we hold on to them for 30 years like others did with there cars? They are sure to be worth more as well. I for one will not get one to collect, I will drive it, and so what if lots of people have them. Buy 2 for all I care as long as I have one. I'll keep my 73 too. Lot's of people have this bitter attitude towards anything new-"I have something older therefore it's better than yours". What about the people who said these new fangled Chargers are nothng compared to my Olds Delta 88 or 57 Chevy? So you have an old Charger, big deal. So you have a new Charger-same big deal. Stop being scared of the future and remember our old cars were the future in the past My point is to enjoy them all. Guitars and cars are my passions. And I dig them all.....Well not Fords, but you know what I mean..

[T3/RT]

  New Chally with the HEMI and 5 speed, modern amneties, and automatic everything...$45,000 (average).  Probably a heavy-ass car as well.  Decent gas mileage (of course you shouldn't worry about gas mileage when shelling out for a 50 grand car).  And within 6 months of hype and I gotta have it mentality, these cars will be everywhere. 
  My 68 Charger will be completed in late 08 for the same price and will completely kick the sh@t out of this car...all with modern amneties as well and will be an original car on the street.  If you have the money, great go buy a new Challenger.  Within 3 years the car will be worth 1/2 its value and you won't be the only kid on the block with the latest toy.  The classics will always be cool and worth a lot more.  In 2020 a 66-71 musclecar will still gain more looks than a new car ever will. 
  I will say to Dodge though that they have hit the bullseye with this car.  Very cool but just not worth my 50 grand.

Amen to that brother !    These things will be bought by the same people that bought Camaros in the 70's and 80's and thought they were cool   

X3....The problem I foresee with the Challenger is, not very many people have even heard of the car. Charger, Camaro and Mustang have a name in modern times. If they would have done the Charger right in the first place I dont think there would be a need for a Challenger or Cuda today. Now the 2 door Charger design is under review. That I do want, and I want the cookie cutter 2gen design. They need to redeem the Charger name to fight Camaro/Mustang. Charger is the king of mopar. Challenger seems like the car nobody asked for. It really pisses me off when people say, "thats our 2door Charger". Sorry no it`s not!

[Ghoste]

It's a two door, rear wheel drive, Dodge V8 powered car and it's new.  It's all good no matter what they call it.

[T3/RT]

It's a two door, rear wheel drive, Dodge V8 powered car and it's new.  It's all good no matter what they call it.

I just think word of mouth is the greatest selling tool and the more established names will win that battle. I hope your right.

[TK73]

They need to redeem the Charger name to fight Camaro/Mustang. Charger is the king of mopar. Challenger seems like the car nobody asked for. It really pisses me off when people say, "thats our 2door Charger". Sorry no it`s not!

The Charger held its own weight in its class in the '60s and 70's but the CHALLENGER was the car that fought the Camaro and Mustang...

I'd be driving a 2-dr Charger TODAY if DCX had put one on the road.

[T3/RT]

They need to redeem the Charger name to fight Camaro/Mustang. Charger is the king of mopar. Challenger seems like the car nobody asked for. It really pisses me off when people say, "thats our 2door Charger". Sorry no it`s not!

The Charger held its own weight in its class in the '60s and 70's but the CHALLENGER was the car that fought the Camaro and Mustang...

I'd be driving a 2-dr Charger TODAY if DCX had put one on the road.

I hear ya but, This aint the 60`s & 70`s and the Challenger didn`t do that well against those cars back then either. Camaro was sold all the way up until 2002, now it`s back.

[Ghoste]

The big strike against the Challenger then was timing and quality control.  The party was pretty much over by 1970 (Camaro and Mustang had a huge following by then to carry them through) and the E-bodies in 1970 were commonly held to be lemons for quality.

[440charger68]

I think new muscle cars are somewhat to a threat to the old cars, only if they look too much alike. Im very happy the new charger looks nothing like the old, chargers are one of a kind and there aren't to many out there anymore.  With the new challenger, they better not over produce them like the mustang, mustangs are every where and they piss me off because there are so many of them, but at least people are getting back in the muscle car spirit.

[sick dawg]

Cherry Hill Dodge is selling the First one to the highest bidder , this is what these criminals are doing . Send a check for with 5000 and write down how much you are willing to pay for , who ever has the highest bid wins , and they send the losing bid's deposit back

This sucks!  When Chevy came out with the ZR1 corvette my local Chevy dealer only got 3 and he did a raffle style drawing for them. If you wanted one he took a $10,000.00 check and an entry card. They picked 3 from the drum and they got to buy the cars. Now they didn't discount them and you had to pay sticker, but they didn't jack up the price either. One guy that got picked said he changed his mind and was no longer interested, so they just picked another entry from the drum and it was mine. Everybody else got their check sent back to them and the winners checks went for a deposit on the car.

[squeakfinder]

Taking into account that there are allready Mushstangs everywhere,

I don't think there will be that much of an effect.

It seems each time I take my 40 year old car out for a drive I get more and more people staring. So I think the interest in vintage muscle cars will continue to increase.

There won't be anymore of are Charger's produced, but there's gonna be gobs of the new muscle cars out there.

[T3/RT]

New & old cars are just different. I can have just as much(If not more)fun in my old Charger as I would with a new Charger.  In time the newer car no longer feels special(just another new car). The old cars are special. I owned a 68 & 70 Charger and in the same year the 68 gained frame rust from driving in the winter 2 consecutive yrs.(An easy repair but at the time I was young and didn't know any better) The 70 was rear ended while parked in my rather long driveway(someone drove in and smashed it). Now I am very conscious of any damage, rust or vandalism that could occur to my 69 R/T. My biggest reason for wanting a new Charger is to have a car that looks very close to a 2gen and I do not have to really worry about. A car that I can put through the punishment that I wouldn't subject my 69 too.(And I think would be about the coolest thing on the road)Basically a beater to my old iron. So after I shell out the $50k or so for the 2door Charger I will resume collecting old Chargers. It will probably be the last brand new car I purchase for some time.

Addendum: I can`t even stop for gas with my 69 without being mobbed by people wanting to talk or ask questions(which bugs the crap out of me)10 yrs. ago nobody seemed to care. I don`t know what happened. I`m afraid to even leave the car alone.

[squeakfinder]

New & old cars are just different. I can have just as much(If not more)fun in my old Charger as I would with a new Charger.  In time the newer car no longer feels special(just another new car). The old cars are special. I owned a 68 & 70 Charger and in the same year the 68 gained frame rust from driving in the winter 2 consecutive yrs.(An easy repair but at the time I was young and didn't know any better) The 70 was rear ended while parked in my rather long driveway(someone drove in and smashed it). Now I am very conscious of any damage, rust or vandalism that could occur to my 69 R/T. My biggest reason for wanting a new Charger is to have a car that looks very close to a 2gen and I do not have to really worry about. A car that I can put through the punishment that I wouldn't subject my 69 too.(And I think would be about the coolest thing on the road)Basically a beater to my old iron. So after I shell out the $50k or so for the 2door Charger I will resume collecting old Chargers. It will probably be the last brand new car I purchase for some time.

Addendum: I can`t even stop for gas with my 69 without being mobbed by people wanting to talk or ask questions(which bugs the crap out of me)10 yrs. ago nobody seemed to care. I don`t know what happened. I`m afraid to even leave the car alone.

Kind of makes it difficult to sleep in that hotel room when your on your way to a Charger gathering or other type of car show. And your Charger is out there all alone in that dark parking lot.

If they only made hotel rooms big enough to park are cars inside so we could sleep with them.

[T3/RT]

New & old cars are just different. I can have just as much(If not more)fun in my old Charger as I would with a new Charger.  In time the newer car no longer feels special(just another new car). The old cars are special. I owned a 68 & 70 Charger and in the same year the 68 gained frame rust from driving in the winter 2 consecutive yrs.(An easy repair but at the time I was young and didn't know any better) The 70 was rear ended while parked in my rather long driveway(someone drove in and smashed it). Now I am very conscious of any damage, rust or vandalism that could occur to my 69 R/T. My biggest reason for wanting a new Charger is to have a car that looks very close to a 2gen and I do not have to really worry about. A car that I can put through the punishment that I wouldn't subject my 69 too.(And I think would be about the coolest thing on the road)Basically a beater to my old iron. So after I shell out the $50k or so for the 2door Charger I will resume collecting old Chargers. It will probably be the last brand new car I purchase for some time.

Addendum: I can`t even stop for gas with my 69 without being mobbed by people wanting to talk or ask questions(which bugs the crap out of me)10 yrs. ago nobody seemed to care. I don`t know what happened. I`m afraid to even leave the car alone.

Kind of makes it difficult to sleep in that hotel room when your on your way to a Charger gathering or other type of car show. And your Charger is out there all alone in that dark parking lot.

If they only made hotel rooms big enough to park are cars inside so we could sleep with them.

Maybe the more Chargers I have the less I will worry.  Probably not but it`s worth a try.