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strugles to go over 95

Started by mally69, October 07, 2007, 08:57:10 AM

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mally69

I took my charger out yesterday and decided to wind it up, I have  a mild built  440 4.10 gears with a 275/60/15 tire, It goes through all 3 gears fine but  it seems like when i get up to 95 mph it just struggles to go any faster  it doesnt miss or flutter or anythiing   it just seems like the rpms kinda stay in place and does not keep climbing ???   I just dont understand     (not a tranny issue that  i am aware of )

aifilaw

you have 4.11 gears and a tire that's what, 28in in diameter?
Sounds like you got a great 1/8mi track car... but your hitting 5500-6000 RPM at what, 95-105mph?
that's why you can't go faster, your engine is maxed out, keep it at that much longer and you'll blow it up. Those gears are meant for the street or the track. and you are probably through the first two gears in the first 250 ft.
'72 B5 Metallic Blue Hardtop
426" Wedge - Hydraulic Roller Stealth heads

mally69

actually i think you are right when i looked down at the tac, it did read about 5500 6000 rpm

70charger_boy

Geeze, my little cheesy 318 can go over 100 mph  :pity:

Todd Wilson

Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 07, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
Geeze, my little cheesy 318 can go over 100 mph  :pity:


Mine will to!  Heck my old 74 Dodge pickup with a 440 and 4.10's will go 100mpg with more in it although the truck didnt like it!  :nana:



Todd


70charger_boy

Quote from: Todd Wilson on October 07, 2007, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on October 07, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
Geeze, my little cheesy 318 can go over 100 mph  :pity:


Mine will to!  Heck my old 74 Dodge pickup with a 440 and 4.10's will go 100mpg with more in it although the truck didnt like it!  :nana:



Todd

Oh yeah, well I can reach 140 mph taching at only 4,000 rpms  :nana:



mally69

i thought with 4.10 i could go a little more than 100

Rolling_Thunder

fuel starvation may be an issue...     high rpm's = lots of fuel...
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

The70RT

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on October 07, 2007, 04:04:47 PM
fuel starvation may be an issue...     high rpm's = lots of fuel...


Yep and too little fuel at high RPM = burned pistons.
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70charger_boy

Are you running an electric fuel pump or mechanical?  My friend ran into the same problem with his hemi and went with a high volume mallory electric fuel pump

Runner

how big of an air cleaner do you have?   are your secondaries working?.     try taking the air cleaner off then see if it runs out of power.     i once tried a k&n stub stack on my old 383 and when it hit 5200 rpm the car would just level out and wouldnt rpm any higher,   pulled the stub stack off and it would spin 6500 no problem again.   there just wasnt enough room between the top of the air cleaner and the stub stack to provide enough air to pull any higher rpm.   

   28 inch tire, 4.10 gears and 101 mph should only be around 5k

with a 28.5 tire, 4.10 gears my roadrunner trips the beams around 119 mph (dependeing on the weather  give or take a mph) at about 5900 rpm     i think you have a air flow or fuel flow problem.

71 roadrunner 452 e heads  11.35@119 mph owned sence 1984
72 panther pink satellite sebring plus 383 727
68 satellite 383 4 speed  13.80 @ 102 mph  my daily driver
69 superbee clone 440    daughters car
72 dodge dart swinger slant six

mally69

i am running a holley mechanical 110 gph and 3/8 fuel lines  i pulled a few plugs and they are a flat black (not brown or white)   my cam is also on the advance mark would that matter in this situation?..
i am running a 14x3'' edelbrock air cleaner. 

aifilaw

sounds like
A. you need to do some tuning
B. your engine ran out of RPM's, use shorter gears if you want to go faster
'72 B5 Metallic Blue Hardtop
426" Wedge - Hydraulic Roller Stealth heads

70charger_boy

Quote from: aifilaw on October 08, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
sounds like
A. you need to do some tuning
B. your engine ran out of RPM's, use shorter gears if you want to go faster

:yesnod:

firefighter3931

Nobody has mentioned valve float. Will it pull 6000 rpm in any of the lower gears ?

I would try experimenting in 1st gear and see how high the engine will pull.  ;)



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

The70RT

Quote from: firefighter3931 on October 08, 2007, 07:00:10 PM
Nobody has mentioned valve float. Will it pull 6000 rpm in any of the lower gears ?

I would try experimenting in 1st gear and see how high the engine will pull.  ;)



Ron

Im suprised no one has brought that up yet....good point :2thumbs:

Probably a stupid question but are you getting full throttle?
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mally69

tomarrow morning ill take it out and run 1st gear and see what rpm it pulls

and ill also check to see if im getting full throttle right now and let you know..

mally69

yep,  when the petal is down the carb is open full 

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Why would you want anything else?  Just give me a Charger and I'll be happy.

mally69

ok i took it for a ride this morning and this is what happend..   i can shift out of 1st 2nd at around 6200 rpm no problem getting there   pulled pretty much the whole time,  but in high gear i found that it will go about 5000 fairly quick but to go from there to 6000   it seems like takes FOREVER to get there ???  i dont get it


firefighter3931

It's running out of fuel....start by checking your float levels.

When you installed the fuel pump did you install a new fuel pump pushrod ?



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

mally69

yes i did, i got it from 440 source..  Just a qeustion, if its running out of fuel shouldn't it sputter or miss a little or not ?

Rolling_Thunder

hit or miss...    I have run cars to top end and they simply did not climb in RPMs - others almost stall due to sputtering and such
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

mally69

ah ok i see, that seems to be what happening to me. It  just struggles so hard to keep climbing in rpms.

so, basically i should raise my float level and try it again???   primary or secondary?