I looked at a '70 Roadrunner 4 sale today (29 Pics) + 6 more in UPDATE pg2

[TruckDriver]

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I finally went to look at it as it has been sitting here on the side of the road for most of the summer. The vin says it is a 318 car, but the fender tag says it is a 383 car. Or did I decode something wrong? I never seen a pre-'71 318 Roadrunner before. It has Georgia plates on the back. Floors and the trunk floor, around the rear window, and the quarters are the only rusted areas. But is it worth $4,000? I'm not sure I really am interested at this point, but maybe. Would be a good car to build for street/strip. The frame is solid.

THIS IS THE DOOR VIN# Possably a replacement door.
Has a vin of #RH23G0A142339
R = Plymouth Belvedere/Satellite
H = High
23 = 2 Door Hardtop
G = 318 230HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
A = Lynch Road, MI, USA
142339 = 42338th Vehicle

DASH VIN#


FENDER TAG BREAKDOWN

[Ghoste]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's not a Road Runner, a Runner would be an RM.  An RH is for Satellite.  The fender tag is for a Road Runner but it is also a different vin than the door tag, something is not right on the car.  The dash vin matches but something is funny, I'd pass on it or find out a lot more before laying down my money.  It also has a flat hood and a Road Runner should have the bulged hood in 70.

[Silver R/T]

definitely going to appreciate in value through years if you buy it and start fixing it up. How much, Im not sure. If you have spare 4K then go ahead and get it.

[Charger-Bodie]

something funny going on there possibly , i wonder which vin is on the title if it has the roadchicken vin on the title it could be as simple as the door was changed but id check the title and the radiator supt and trunk lip if they all match its prob a rr but i dont know

[y3chargerrt]

I'm confused about the vin numbers you list RH23G0A142339 as the vin. But the data pictures show the vin of a 383 Road Runner. The door sticker shows the Satellie but the pic of the dash vin shows a Road Runner.Something sticks here. Maybe the door was swapped from the Satellie and this is a real Road Runner but you better do more digging.

[TruckDriver]

I think it is a Runner. I goofed on one code (only did the door tag, not the dash vin), and I put some wrong letters in the fender tag. I tripple checked, and now I got everything right and corrected (look at the first post again). I did it to fast the first time. Sorry about that. I think that door was replaced at one time.

[70charger_boy]

Looks like a good project.  I would try to get it for 2,500 bucks.

[472 R/T SE]

It's got the small rear end in it too.  I don't think I've seen a real RR with that small rear in it. 

Dash vin rosettes look round too instead of pointed.

[lumpy]

There are a couple other places to check for the vin #. On the radiator support, on the cowl and on the trunk lip. It looks like a RR to me, check those #'s to be sure 

[69bronzeT5]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

[70charger_boy]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

a 440 4 spd   I would imagine that would be a trac pac.  I would run, forest run!!!!!!!!!  Go get the car

[Charger-Bodie]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

was it the convertible mod top thats sittin behind the london drug?

[69bronzeT5]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

a 440 4 spd   I would imagine that would be a trac pac.  I would run, forest run!!!!!!!!!  Go get the car

Well my dad's friend found it. He knows exactly what it is because he used to own one. I'll have to find out the street from my dad. And no, its not behind London Drugs...we dont have one in my town lol

[Charger-Bodie]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

a 440 4 spd   I would imagine that would be a trac pac.  I would run, forest run!!!!!!!!!  Go get the car

Well my dad's friend found it. He knows exactly what it is because he used to own one. I'll have to find out the street from my dad. And no, its not behind London Drugs...we dont have one in my town lol

what about the mod top does it have a mod top? i think a mod top vert would be rare!

[TruckDriver]

There are a couple other places to check for the vin #. On the radiator support, on the cowl and on the trunk lip. It looks like a RR to me, check those #'s to be sure 

I don't know these cars like a Charger. Where exactly on the cowl & radiator support should I look? I'm going back to my girlfriends tomarrow morning, and I'll get some pics (if I remember the camera)

[69bronzeT5]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

a 440 4 spd   I would imagine that would be a trac pac.  I would run, forest run!!!!!!!!!  Go get the car

Well my dad's friend found it. He knows exactly what it is because he used to own one. I'll have to find out the street from my dad. And no, its not behind London Drugs...we dont have one in my town lol

what about the mod top does it have a mod top? i think a mod top vert would be rare!

dont know, havent seen the car 

[charge69]

Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

[TruckDriver]

Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

Blue is not the correct color on 1970s engines. That wasn't changed til '72.

[BigBlackDodge]

There are a couple other places to check for the vin #. On the radiator support, on the cowl and on the trunk lip. It looks like a RR to me, check those #'s to be sure 

I don't know these cars like a Charger. Where exactly on the cowl & radiator support should I look? I'm going back to my girlfriends tomarrow morning, and I'll get some pics (if I remember the camera)

Look on the radiator core support (near the top on the vertical surface..........it will only have six digits stamped into it, they should match the VIN digits if correct) and under the trunk seal on the drivers side. Not aware of any numbers on the cowl for B-bodies.


BBD

[472 R/T SE]

Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

Same reason it has a 8.25 rear. 

Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

Blue is not the correct color on 1970s engines. That wasn't changed til '72.

So tell me, what color is?   

[lumpy]

My '71RR had the #'s on the cowl and the rad support. If they match the vin and the fender tag, it is probaly a RR with a Satellite door. No smallblock RR's in '70. Only 383, 440-6 and Hemis. A '69 RR 'Vert  would not have a 440 from the factory either, 440's came in GTX.

[Ghoste]

The hood has been changed as well. (if it's a Road Runner)
As someone else mentioned, better make sure what vin is on the title before buying no matter which of the two vins you determine to be real to the car.

[tecmopar]

Somethings really not right with that car. The heck with the door vin, it means nothing, the dash vin is what counts and then fender tag plus the radiator support and you can also look under the package tray cover and along the trunk rail. There were no 318 RR's made in '70 but a lot of Satellite's.

[Ghoste]

But, if the title is the same vin as the door tag, it won't matter much if every other number on the car says Road Runner, you're gonna have a helluva time getting the DMV to change the numbers on that title.

[NHCharger]

What's that stuff growing out of the top of the rear seat
I thought the stamp on the rad. support only has the last six numbers? If so it wouldn't help ID the car.
Awful lot of rust for a Georgia car. I've seen northeast cars with less rust.
Unless the owner has a lot of documentation this one raises too many red flags.

[TruckDriver]

Why does that car have a 318-2bbl engine if it is a Roadrunner? The engine looks original to the car. I do not think that is a RR!  No Sale, at least to me!

Blue is not the correct color on 1970s engines. That wasn't changed til '72.

So tell me, what color is?   

Same color as on your '70 Charger

[Chris G.]

Same color as on your '70 Charger

Strike Two. 

[Charger-Bodie]

A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.

[TUFCAT]

Maybe somebody else can answer this ....but on a real Road Runner, the holes in the quarter would be spaced out for each name plate "road" and "runner" - like they're pictured ...does'nt look like it wore a "Satellite" nameplate unless the two holes were for "sport" and "satellite" (I'm no expert on 70 b-bodies).  Also, did you notice the upper door moldings on each door.  RR's never had those.   At first I wondered if the doors were switched with satellite doors because the moldings are on the doors only.  The  RR rear tape stripe treatment on the quarter panel end caps are there, as well as the running bird on the front fenders - tape stripes look to be as weathered as the rest of the body.  The grille looks strange as well....I don't recall road runners having a silver grill, shouldn't it be blacked out?. These doors look like Satellite doors....as well as  the drivetrain stuff- - - mystery goes on. This CAR has a LOT of EXPLAINING to do!   

[Charger-Bodie]

those look like  road runner holes to me.

[Charger_Fan]

A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.

Mine sure is.

[Ghoste]

I thought the stamp on the rad. support only has the last six numbers? If so it wouldn't help ID the car.

Because the last six in this instance are dealing with two separate vins.  If the six match the fender tag and dash, then we know the basic shell was once a Road Runner, if those last six match the door or title, then it was a little more pedestrian than a RR.

[TruckDriver]

I thought the stamp on the rad. support only has the last six numbers? If so it wouldn't help ID the car.

Because the last six in this instance are dealing with two separate vins.  If the six match the fender tag and dash, then we know the basic shell was once a Road Runner, if those last six match the door or title, then it was a little more pedestrian than a RR.

And they do match on the radiator support. They are stamped,  0  132998 like that. I tried to get a picture, but all 3 didn't turn out as the angle was to much to get at. I tried to find it in the trunk area, but I couldn't see it (rust).

A 1970 318 engine is BLUE.

Really... I learned something new then. I thought all engines in '70 were the same color. I never claimed to be a expert

[TruckDriver]

Pics from this morning. For the most part, the car might be legit. The core support matches the dash vin# as I said in the last post I made. There was a guy at the shop too, (not the seller) that said something about a parts car that goes with this one (I believe as some harleys were going by). The owner was at the Jefferson car show. Here are 6 more pics.

[TUFCAT]

WOW - - There's NO TRUNK FLOOR LEFT!!!  I thought the car looked pretty solid in the first batch of pics. 

[TruckDriver]

As bad as the floors are, the frame rails are near perfect. I was under it yesterday. I have a feeling the car sat in tall grass a long time.

[Old Moparz]

It doesn't look to bad for a project, but I think $4000 is steep depending on the condition of the parts car. If the title matches the dash & core support numbers, then the battle of what it is isn't a problem. The hood with turn signals is from a Satellite/Belvedere, & probably the small rear too. The expense of swapping the drive train back won't be cheap, but then nothing is anymore.

The Road Runner/GTX bulge hood is at least $300 or more, & the air grabber hood is anywhere from $1000 to $3000 depending on how complete. The good thing is that most or all of the air grabber parts are available as repro if you go that route & snag a core. You can also convert a bulge hood with a kit that's available. One nice thing about a Road Runner, is that there is less trim to hunt for.

[Big Lebowski]

WOW - - There's NO TRUNK FLOOR LEFT!!!  I thought the car looked pretty solid in the first batch of pics. 

  That just makes it easier to remove the rest.

[71gtx]

There are a couple other places to check for the vin #. On the radiator support, on the cowl and on the trunk lip. It looks like a RR to me, check those #'s to be sure 

there is no numbers on cowl in 1970 b-body  1971 74 b- body  yes


the numbers on trunk lip  2841 800  are part numbers not vin number  132998 is number you need to find

[Ghoste]

The vin should also be on the trunk lip.

[TruckDriver]

The vin should also be on the trunk lip.

I looked there and didn't find anything anywhere. If it is under the trunk seal, it is stuck on pretty good, and I didn't wanna pull it off.

[C_stripes]

If I had an extra 4k lying around, Id get it. Today I got word of a 69 Roadrunner Convertable 440 4-spd sitting around here somewhere in blackberry bushes

In 69, The only road runners with 440's were the M code 69 1/2 6bbl cars. No converts. So it is 1 of 2 things, 1, Someone put in the 440 or 2, It is a GTX. But no mater how you look at it. its a convert.  Well worth getting

[PocketThunder]

Pete, time to build that superbird clone you've always wanted!

[TruckDriver]

Pete, time to build that superbird clone you've always wanted!

Rigghhhttttt


I'd rather have a C500 than a winged car.

[70gtx440dana]

Really looks like a 70 RR that has had Satellite parts of the same color changed over. If the rad support, and trunk lip match the fender
tag and dash vin then I would lean toward the hood, doors, trunk lid and drive train coming from a 70 donor satellite. If rad support
and trunk lip don't match then more investigation is necessary.

RR hints on this car are: tail lights, quarter extensions with stripes, holes in quarter for emblems, complete dash assembly, fender decals etc.

If it is a real RR missing hood and drivetrain the $4K price is not bad. If it is a Satellite I would say more like $2200-2500.

Good luck with the rest of the investigation.

[Nacho-RT74]

amaizing how the prices change just FOR ONE LETTER... that's something I can't stand from Plymouths... same car with just a couple of trim upgrades and double the price. Same as different name just because a hood, a grill and some trim.

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.

[Ghoste]

Similar situation exists with the Coronet line.  Actually, all the Mopars if the one letter that changes is the engine indicator.  As for Plymouths being ugly, well, how about you and I just agree to disagree on that one.

[70charger_boy]

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.

[71gtx]

amaizing how the prices change just FOR ONE LETTER... that's something I can't stand from Plymouths... same car with just a couple of trim upgrades and double the price. Same as different name just because a hood, a grill and some trim.

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.

like the 73 74 chagers Ugly rear ends, and  ugly front ends too.       a 71 gtx is ugly ?

[Charger_Fan]

    a 71 gtx is ugly ?

Definitely not, especially this one!

[rav440]

amaizing how the prices change just FOR ONE LETTER... that's something I can't stand from Plymouths... same car with just a couple of trim upgrades and double the price. Same as different name just because a hood, a grill and some trim.

Sorry I can stand Plymounths except Cudas. Ugly rear ends, and frequently ugly front ends too.

ouch !!!! man that stung  oooooh  oowww thats going to leave a mark 

[supserdave]

Don't worry rav 440, I think your car is awesome!

I think the 71 plymouths look better than the 71 dodges

[70charger_boy]

Don't worry rav 440, I think your car is awesome!

I think the 71 plymouths look better than the 71 dodges