is a complete 69 440 hp motor worth $550.00

[troy.70R/T]

I have a chance to buy a 69 440 hp motor complete. the motor still ran when taken out of the car. I do not know what kind of car it came out of and do not have any numbers off the motor right now. The motor is complete from carb to oil pan and all the pullies are there.  the heads are off the motor. the cylinders look good and are standard bore. the cylinders are worn about .010. Is this a good buy for $550.00? I think it is. I know a 69 HP motor should have a steel crank, but How can I visually tell if it is a forged crank? I am in need of a quick response on this   Thanks Troy

[no318]

Yes, good buy if legit.  Dampner is different on cast crank.  The center "sticks out" in the front on a cast crank.  Forged crank dampners are flat.  Should probably  be an orange engine.  If you can see the crank, it will not have "casting flashes" on it. 

[firefighter3931]

How can I visually tell if it is a forged crank? I am in need of a quick response on this   Thanks Troy

Troy, that's a descent price for a 69 HP motor. The block casting numbers and the pad next to the distributor will tell the engine's story.


Ron



PS. Cast crank balancers are thicker than forged dampners.....check the pic :

[Hot_Rodder]

Troy, that's a descent price for a 69 HP motor. The block casting numbers and the pad next to the distributor will tell the engine's story.


Ron



PS. Cast crank balancers are thicker than forged dampners.....check the pic :

Hey Fire Fighter, got a question for ya. I had a '69 HP 440, The balancer was thin like the one pictured by you, versus that thick sucker for a cast setup. Here's my question though, the balancer, despite being thin, read for cast cranks only, and the crank had casting flash on it, versus the machining differences between a Forged crank and a Cast crank... This is getting a little confusing....

[supserdave]

Could you post the VIN if you get it?

[firefighter3931]

Troy, that's a descent price for a 69 HP motor. The block casting numbers and the pad next to the distributor will tell the engine's story.


Ron



PS. Cast crank balancers are thicker than forged dampners.....check the pic :

Hey Fire Fighter, got a question for ya. I had a '69 HP 440, The balancer was thin like the one pictured by you, versus that thick sucker for a cast setup. Here's my question though, the balancer, despite being thin, read for cast cranks only, and the crank had casting flash on it, versus the machining differences between a Forged crank and a Cast crank... This is getting a little confusing....

HR, i have seen (some) forged cranks with casting flash as well. The counterweights on a cast crank will have square edges while the forged unit will have rounded edges. This is the easiest "visual" difference to distinguish the two apart that i know of....other than the balancer.


Ron

[tan top]

Could you post the VIN if you get it?

  would also like to see the vin   as mine is also M I A              

[Hot_Rodder]

HR, i have seen (some) forged cranks with casting flash as well. The counterweights on a cast crank will have square edges while the forged unit will have rounded edges. This is the easiest "visual" difference to distinguish the two apart that i know of....other than the balancer.


Ron

I can't rememberthe location and such of the weights, but it appeared to be all fairly rounded, nothing really square. But the confusing part was when it said "For 440 Cast Crank Only" and the crank had the machining of a cast crank and a casting clock rather than say the forged crank. Maybe someone was a little bit much

[Daytona R/T SE]

Could you post the VIN if you get it?

                        would also like to see the vin   as mine is also M I A              

Ditto 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I can check it against my database as well....

[troy.70R/T]

Thanks for the advice and pictures. Troy

[Silver R/T]

I say grab it

[firefighter3931]

Thanks for the advice and pictures. Troy

You're welcome Troy.....go get that motor ! 



Ron

[Challenger340]

Complete '69 440 engine for $550 ?

I say grab it ! 
I recently unloaded a bunch of "core" stock engines I had, for alot more per engine than that, and they went like "hotcakes".
I actually had guys fighting over the last few at the end, and a "phone list" if I ever dump the last couple I kept.

BUY IT TROY !

Bob out.

[Hot_Rodder]

Here's the bad thing, guy I got my Charger from, has a rebuilt 440 with 452 heads.... He only wants $500 for it..... I may still get it since I've been thinking more and more about it...
Instead of going and rebuilding this 383, replace it with that 440, better torque for that heavy car, plus it's been rebuilt, he said he went back to factory with the heads and bottom end.... May redo bottom end with a stroker kit.... I don't know... I listed it for him, alot of people interested, but no one close.... He's also got a 400/manual from a truck....

[troy.70R/T]

Thanks I will buy the motor. I thought it was worth it. Thanks Troy

[troy.70R/T]

I will post the numbers when I get the motor. Troy

[Anders]

Could anybody tell me the main differences between 440 H.P an non-hp engine and the best way to identify one? The 440 hp from 68-71 should have 906cast heads, right?what else, the crank is different and the best way the identify crank is to check out the balancer, how about pistons and rods?

I have a 69 block with 906 heads and hp manifolds, what's the best way to check whether it's a hp-engine?

[Challenger340]

Heres what I've learned, from various "Mopar Legends", I used to bump into at races, over the decades. Just never knew who'd you'd run into in Pomona back in the 80"s.

Take it for what it's worth, debate it, or pick it apart, as you see fit, this is the info I have;

1969 440 engine(all);
Forged Steel Crank
2.02" Comp. Distance Piston
LY Rods
2843906 head castings/2.08 & 1.74 Valves


"Magnum" 375 H.P. upgrades;
Dbl. Valve springs(single W/damper)
Hotter 268/276 Camshaft(still Hyd.) (6 pack engines were same grind, but with a special "low-tapper design lifter)
Windage Tray
same 2843906 casting heads

Interesting to note here, that other than the Cam/Springs/Tray added to increse the output on the "magnum" motors, they were basically the same engines, partswise.

Where the DIFFERENCES became more "subtle", was as they came down the engine assembly line, the sizing on the internal parts, being put into specific "magnum" designated engines, were drawn from seperate/specific racks, to provide more "enhanced" internal rotating assembly Clearances.

Corporate "ma" Mopar Weren't stupid ! As a Corporate policy, these things were being warrantied !
The "magnum" engines, got cranks sized .001" smaller on the journals, stil "STD", but, (closer to "2.3740" Than 2.3750), to provide higher bearing clrc's, Factory spec is the 2.3740-2.3750.
as well as Piston/Rod assemblies, 1 alphabetical letter lower to provide extra Piston to wall. "G"Piston sizes, went into "H" holes, "E" into "F" holes etc., as opposed to the regular engines got "F"size Pistons in "F"holes.
Ever wonder what those letters in crayon, on the side of a cleaned block are ? see above

This all became extremely confusing for "magnum" line staff in late '68, when then intigrating "their" souped up engines, back into the main line for installation/stamping vin's when assebling cars.

NOW did that engine get the right parts or NOT ?

Hence late '68, the decision to switch from the turquiose/green, to a readily identifyable "orange" engine paint. That and "cooler" marketing considerations.

There it is, debate it as you see fit

Bob out.

[Hot_Rodder]

Learn something everyday

[troy.70R/T]

I have another question about this motor. I have been having a hard time getting the guy that has this motor to get back with me on some of the numbers on it. He finally got back to me yesterday. The # on the boss next to the distributor says  C 440   in that order.  I thought It should say   440 HP   if it is a 440 hp. The guy also told me it does not have 906 heads, (did not give the numbers of the heads that come with it) but one of the pistions had some dings on it. He suggests that years ago someone probably dropped something into the motor and that,that wrecked one of the sets of valves. Rather than fix that set of valves BOTH heads were replaced? Or he says someone could have just switched them with others since they have been off the motor for five years. He also told me the block color is turquoise and that it came out of a 1969 cop car,He said it was a coronet.  He also told me, in his words the air cleaner has two spouts cominging out of it. I assume he is saying it is a dual snorkal air cleaner. I know a dual snorkal can be put on any motor and that does not make it an hp motor.  How ever I don't want to let this guy know what he might have, since I do not think he really knows much about dodge motors. Or he knows more than me and is trying to screw me. What I really need is someone who can tell me wether I sould buy it (for550.00) or not, baised on the numbers.  Can anyone give me a site where I can find this information? by the way the motor is 200 miles away that it why I don't want to drive my gas hog truck there just to look at it. I appreciate everybody's input, Troy       

[Hot_Rodder]

I think these #'s are correct, if something is not, please let me know:
440 block casting #'s
1: 2536430 this is for '66 - '72
2: 3698830-440 this is for '73 - '78

That C that you mentioned seems like it might be meaning that it's a 1967 year code.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

   I bet the heads are 915's (which are good closed chambered heads..I have them on my 440)
These were used in '67 only