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Fred & Barney Preferred Winston Cigarettes

Started by Old Moparz, September 12, 2007, 11:17:33 PM

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Old Moparz

This is an old TV commercial I found, kind of funny too. Apparently Winston was the sponsor for the Flintstones back in the day & got a friendly endorsement from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c&mode=related&search=

Imagine trying to do an ad like this now?  :smilielol:
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skip68

Man that's funny.  It just shows the marketing intent of the Tabacco Co. back then.  I knew Wilma was a closet smoker.   :smoke:   Chuck........
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68chrgrwife

Actually, that is not funny...man I can't believe how stupid people were back then to think that it was ok to smoke......I lost both my grandparents to cancer probably from smoking and second hand smoke....I fear for my own life due to smoking and second hand smoke......It was because of ads like that, that made smoking look good to my grandparents and seeing them do made it "ok" for me.....luckily I quit, but I still have that crap in my system......


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All I can say is that I'm sorry about your Grandparents. Truely I am. But smoking is a choice. An ad on T.V. doesn't force anyone to smoke. Just like an ad for Beer during a football game doesn't force you to drink. I for one ,think drinking is far worse.



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Old Moparz

Quote from: 68chrgrwife on September 13, 2007, 01:45:35 AM
Actually, that is not funny...man I can't believe how stupid people were back then to think that it was ok to smoke......I lost both my grandparents to cancer probably from smoking and second hand smoke....I fear for my own life due to smoking and second hand smoke......It was because of ads like that, that made smoking look good to my grandparents and seeing them do made it "ok" for me.....luckily I quit, but I still have that crap in my system......


Sorry to hear about your grandparents. I've had relatives & people I knew die from cancer too, but I still find the old TV commercial hilarious. Both my parents are in their late 60's, still smoke, & have smoked since they were in there early teens. They both know it's not healthy, but continue to smoke & have no intentions of quitting, even after my dad had a minor stroke. I don't smoke, never had smoked, but I watched the Flintstones back in the 60's as well as seeing tons & tons of cigarette ads on TV. I even recall the ads with doctors that promoted them. ::)

People are going to continue to make bad choices regardless of what they know.
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nh_mopar_fan

Good friend is in Mass General this week. She started radiation yesterday. Large cell carcinoma, 3rd stage.

Smoking back in the 1950s is one thing.

NH, the Live Free or Die state, is going smoke free in all bars and restaurants this month. I generally am against government sticking their nose into these type of issues but when I have to breathe your second hand smoke, I draw the line.

Given what we now know, I question the intelligence of anyone that continues to smoke.


PocketThunder

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 12, 2007, 11:17:33 PM
This is an old TV commercial I found, kind of funny too. Apparently Winston was the sponsor for the Flintstones back in the day & got a friendly endorsement from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c&mode=related&search=

Imagine trying to do an ad like this now?  :smilielol:

Its funny how the cigarette is as big as Barneys head..  :rofl:
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bull

Quote from: nh_mopar_fan on September 13, 2007, 07:28:57 AM
Good friend is in Mass General this week. She started radiation yesterday. Large cell carcinoma, 3rd stage.

Smoking back in the 1950s is one thing.

NH, the Live Free or Die state, is going smoke free in all bars and restaurants this month. I generally am against government sticking their nose into these type of issues but when I have to breathe your second hand smoke, I draw the line.

Given what we now know, I question the intelligence of anyone that continues to smoke.

I don't question the intelligence of anyone who continues to smoke given what we know now because it's an addiction and addictions are obviously very hard to break and succombing to them has little to do with IQ. However I do question the intelligence of anyone who starts smoking these days, given what we know now.

Khyron

Quote from: bull on September 13, 2007, 07:16:46 PM
I don't question the intelligence of anyone who continues to smoke given what we know now because it's an addiction and addictions are obviously very hard to break and succombing to them has little to do with IQ. However I do question the intelligence of anyone who starts smoking these days, given what we know now.

Thank you for not being one if the idiots that just jump on a bandwagon and understand it is an addiction.

It's funny how fast people loose their tolerance by choice.

Better help the criminals.. it's wasn't their fault it was the upbringing
That strippers dad never showed her attention
That drug addict needs a multi million dollar hospital to rehabilitate him
Alcoholics have a disease
Poor upbringing is responsible for all the ghettos
The government only recruits poor people

smokers are stupid  ::)

Live free or die.... my ass  ::) Just like new york... you're free to do what you want... unless you offend other  ::) I can't wait... CAN'T WAIT until the tobacco company's close... we'll see how fast they attack the beer company's. Didn't work before... but all these soccer moms and liberal jerkoffs will come out the woodword for another mercy mission.

Bottom line... don't tell me whats good for me and whats not. Your opinion doesn't mean shit to me. I know it will kill me, but I enjoy it... get off my back

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I could care less if anyone smokes, until they do it around me.

Feel put out?

My heart bleeds.....

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PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

The70RT

It killed both my parents. My mom was still smoking and had a stroke at 70 and my dad quit 20 years before he passed of pneumonia related to a partial lung removal a few years before. He smoked for 50 years. Both lived a long time for smokers?? We all will die from something but mine won't be from smoking. I snuck 2 cigarettes from my mom and dad when I was like in the third grade :slap: but didn't see why it a big deal and never smoked again ....then we have cheese burgers, pizza, beer, the sun,lightning, pollution, westnile virus....yadda yadda yadda.....so what the hell everyone do as you damn please...when it's your time well then it is. Be happy and If you plan to never sell your Charger :drive: till ya can't  :engel016:
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TruckDriver

I never smoked cigerettes and inhaled them :eek2:  When I started smoking years ago, I started with cigars because my step-dad smoked them. I even smoked a pipe occasionally. But I never got hooked on ANY smoking. It was more a card playing/partying thing for me. I never liked the smell of smoke except for pipe tobacco. Nevertheless, I totally quit several years ago now. I don't even drink anymore.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

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Old Moparz

Quote from: Orange_Crush on September 13, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
I don't smoke....cigarettes.



But did you ever watch the Flintstones?


And I don't mean the movie.
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PocketThunder

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 14, 2007, 09:24:16 AM
Quote from: Orange_Crush on September 13, 2007, 09:36:33 PM
I don't smoke....cigarettes.



But did you ever watch the Flintstones?


And I don't mean the movie.

:shruggy:    :think:

I've only ever been high once and it was from Second hand smoke at a STP concert, i dont remember anything about the Flinstones..
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red72chrgr

IMHO, everyone seems to have missed Old Moparz intention. I believe he was referring to how given our p/c, don't intrude in my life society, that particular sponsor wouldn't be tolerated. Much like NASCAR lost their longtime sponsor, although that was more monetary than pressure from society.
Nothing personal, just business

Old Moparz

Quote from: red72chrgr on September 14, 2007, 01:12:35 PM
IMHO, everyone seems to have missed Old Moparz intention. I believe he was referring to how given our p/c, don't intrude in my life society, that particular sponsor wouldn't be tolerated. Much like NASCAR lost their longtime sponsor, although that was more monetary than pressure from society.

Hey, that's a good idea too!   :D



Seriously though, it doesn't matter much to me what direction the thread goes in, even if it's one I had started. (As long as someone doesn't get it locked.) This section of the forum is mostly for entertainment, & just people BS-ing over whatever they'd talk about if they were hanging out at a backyard BBQ having a laugh.   :cheers:
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red72chrgr

Yeah, guess I got a too serious. As a former smoker, 13 mos. and counting, I just don't get beating on people for their choice of vice.
Nothing personal, just business

70charger_boy

Smoking makes you look cool

I'd hit Betty too

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PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

Old Moparz

Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 15, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on September 14, 2007, 09:41:34 PM
I'd hit Betty too

Quote from: TUFCAT on September 15, 2007, 08:13:18 AM
I'd do them both..... Wilma first.

::) You guys must be extreeeemly desperate :rotz:


Their level of desparateness depends on whether they'd hit Betty from the cartoon, or Betty from the movie.

The cartoon Betty is way hotter than the Rosie O'Donnell Betty  :D
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70charger_boy

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 15, 2007, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 15, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on September 14, 2007, 09:41:34 PM
I'd hit Betty too

Quote from: TUFCAT on September 15, 2007, 08:13:18 AM
I'd do them both..... Wilma first.

::) You guys must be extreeeemly desperate :rotz:


Their level of desparateness depends on whether they'd hit Betty from the cartoon, or Betty from the movie.

The cartoon Betty is way hotter than the Rosie O'Donnell Betty  :D

:puke: :puke:

TruckDriver

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 15, 2007, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 15, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on September 14, 2007, 09:41:34 PM
I'd hit Betty too

Quote from: TUFCAT on September 15, 2007, 08:13:18 AM
I'd do them both..... Wilma first.

::) You guys must be extreeeemly desperate :rotz:


Their level of desparateness depends on whether they'd hit Betty from the cartoon, or Betty from the movie.

The cartoon Betty is way hotter than the Rosie O'Donnell Betty  :D

I totally forgot about the actual movie :lol: :puke:
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

BigBlockSam

Betty....I'd hit it  :yesnod: Wilma's cute too

smoke weed not cigs  O0
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Rocky

Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 15, 2007, 06:07:30 PM
Betty....I'd hit it  :yesnod: Wilma's cute too

smoke weed not cigs  O0

Weed is actually about 5 times worse than cigarettes for your lungs.  That and people tend to hold it in alot longer.  I've never understood that argument.
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Quote from: Rocky on September 16, 2007, 05:42:22 AM
I just want to know what happened to the concept of personal responsibility?
:iagree:

I think that went out the window when people started using guns to settle simple arguments instead of using their fists.
PETE

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Khyron

Quote from: Wi. Charger Guy on September 16, 2007, 07:20:36 AM

:iagree:

I think that went out the window when people started using guns to settle simple arguments instead of using their fists.

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I have a few of them as well  ... I keep them near my carton of smokes ...  :smilielol:


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PETE

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CaptMarvel

Never been a smoker, although I grew up with a smoking Dad, Im never offended by anyone lighting up though, I figure its their thing...I also watched Flinstones alot and thought those old commercials were kind of neat. I really have a much bigger problem with alcoholics driving cars than secondhand cigarette smoke, but I think the govt,. needs to stay out of all of our bad habits (including junk food- thats next if you all dont believe it!) hang the drunk drivers (literally) if they are caught, but dont outlaw the liquor. I believe were all on this Earth to experiance freedom of choice among other things and with the govt. outlawing everything under the sun how can we learn right from wrong? :shruggy:

70charger_boy

I just saw a movie called Hollywodd land last week on HBO.  It was the movie with Adrian Brody that investigated George Reeves (TV Superman) death.  The movie was set in the late 50's and everybody in the movie was chain smoking.  That was the culture back then. 

I guess now, the country is too politically correct to smoke.

Old Moparz

Quote from: 70charger_boy on September 18, 2007, 06:38:56 AM
I just saw a movie called Hollywodd land last week on HBO.  It was the movie with Adrian Brody that investigated George Reeves (TV Superman) death.  The movie was set in the late 50's and everybody in the movie was chain smoking.  That was the culture back then. 

I guess now, the country is too politically correct to smoke.


I want to see that flick & will have to see when it's on again.  :cheers:

I know what you mean by the old movies & TV shows where everyone smoked, I remember it well. I think most of the adults in my family when I was a kid smoked. My parents, my grandparents, a lot of aunts, uncles, & a lot of the family friends that were always over around the holidays. Sometimes the room had a gray fog in it & the walls & ceiling had nicotine stains. Of course I didn't know any better as a little kid, but when I was in my early teens I started to complain. The car rides in winter with the windows up & both parents smoking would really suck.

Once I had my own car, & one or both parents were in it, the no smoking rule was in effect. They hated it, but respected it. The same went for when I got my house, & if anyone wants to smoke there's an ashtray outside on the railing of the deck. When my grandfather was still alive & he visited, he was the only one to bitch about not being able to smoke in the house & said he wasn't coming back. Oh well, he never did. I do get a kick out of seeing smokers at my house in winter, they stand on the deck freezing, finish less than half the cigarette, then hurry back inside with the nicotine fix satisfied.  :lol:

I don't preach & dictate to smokers, but I definitely don't like it. There were several restaurants, bars, or clubs that I just stopped going to because of the excessive smoke. It's not that I just don't like smoke, it kills my sinuses, stuffs up my nose, smells like s**t, & leaves you wreaking like an ashtray that's full. I couldn't imagine smoking it if it does all that just being near it. I also can't get over the cost of a pack of butts, it's 2 to 3 times the price of a gallon of gas.  :o

I don't think banning smoking in public, or not seeing cigarettes on TV & in the movies that much is the political correctness, as much as it is that there are more non smokers that are just sick & tired of putting up with the smoke.
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nh_mopar_fan

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 18, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Quote from: 70charger_boy on September 18, 2007, 06:38:56 AM
I just saw a movie called Hollywodd land last week on HBO.  It was the movie with Adrian Brody that investigated George Reeves (TV Superman) death.  The movie was set in the late 50's and everybody in the movie was chain smoking.  That was the culture back then. 

I guess now, the country is too politically correct to smoke.


I want to see that flick & will have to see when it's on again.  :cheers:

I know what you mean by the old movies & TV shows where everyone smoked, I remember it well. I think most of the adults in my family when I was a kid smoked. My parents, my grandparents, a lot of aunts, uncles, & a lot of the family friends that were always over around the holidays. Sometimes the room had a gray fog in it & the walls & ceiling had nicotine stains. Of course I didn't know any better as a little kid, but when I was in my early teens I started to complain. The car rides in winter with the windows up & both parents smoking would really suck.

Once I had my own car, & one or both parents were in it, the no smoking rule was in effect. They hated it, but respected it. The same went for when I got my house, & if anyone wants to smoke there's an ashtray outside on the railing of the deck. When my grandfather was still alive & he visited, he was the only one to bitch about not being able to smoke in the house & said he wasn't coming back. Oh well, he never did. I do get a kick out of seeing smokers at my house in winter, they stand on the deck freezing, finish less than half the cigarette, then hurry back inside with the nicotine fix satisfied.  :lol:

I don't preach & dictate to smokers, but I definitely don't like it. There were several restaurants, bars, or clubs that I just stopped going to because of the excessive smoke. It's not that I just don't like smoke, it kills my sinuses, stuffs up my nose, smells like s**t, & leaves you wreaking like an ashtray that's full. I couldn't imagine smoking it if it does all that just being near it. I also can't get over the cost of a pack of butts, it's 2 to 3 times the price of a gallon of gas.  :o

I don't think banning smoking in public, or not seeing cigarettes on TV & in the movies that much is the political correctness, as much as it is that there are more non smokers that are just sick & tired of putting up with the smoke.

Exactly.

It's the marketing that targets kids as well.


Khyron

Quote from: Old Moparz on September 18, 2007, 09:25:28 AM

I don't think banning smoking in public, or not seeing cigarettes on TV & in the movies that much is the political correctness, as much as it is that there are more non smokers that are just sick & tired of putting up with the smoke.

I'm also sick of seeing obese people everywhere I go. maybe we should stop with the fast food commercials. Stop putting heavy set comedians on T.V....

I respect your opinion... it's one of the most thought out ones so far. But there are many other conditions that are unhealthy that are not as attacked as smoking. I don't see a scale in front of a resterant saying "If your too fat you can't eat here"

obesity is a lot more prevalent then smokers. They are also a burden on the health care system. Why aren't they as chastised as smokers.... ohhh because that would be mean?

Some smokers I agree... smell like an ashtray. I personally am in sales. I smoke as well. But I clean my hands and use breath strips. When I go into a Doctors office for work they never know I smoke. I also don't smoke in my car.

I don't know... people go back and forth with this subject all the time. Almost every board i'm on has a thread like this. Maybe it's just an easy target? I'm thinking of starting a thread about obesity and Obese women in spandex :lol:

Quote from: nh_mopar_fan on September 18, 2007, 09:34:57 AM

Exactly.

It's the marketing that targets kids as well.



I guess a clown falls under the same marketing nitch?



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nh_mopar_fan

The point that you keep ignoring is that the fat guy that sits in the same room as me does me no harm.

The smoker's second hand smoke does.


Khyron

Quote from: nh_mopar_fan on September 18, 2007, 09:58:16 AM
The point that you keep ignoring is that the fat guy that sits in the same room as me does me no harm.

The smoker's second hand smoke does.

I'm not ignoring that ... I'll agree with that. I don't mind smoking outside. I always ask people if it's alright to light up.. I'm one of the odd courteous smokers.

I'm just pointing out that the whole "Marketting to Kids" "burden on the health car system" "Killing ourselves" "smell like something" is not just limited to smokers..

It just seems o.k. to single us out because picking on fat people is mean  ::)


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They can ban smoking.....they can't make people go on a diet. I guess they could arrest them and feed them very little...........I don't think the US will ever be a Communism country though. :shruggy:
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nh_mopar_fan

Ok, just to be clear, I don't support a ban. I just don't want to have to deal with it inside.

I also think that endlessly raising taxes on smokes under the false pretense that it'll help end smoking rather than what the real reason is, revenue, is dead wrong.

For what it's worth, I quit almost 9 years ago.

Old Moparz

Small indoor places with cigarette smoke is tough, & I was glad when smoking was banned in restaurants & bars. There is one place, a restaurant/bar that has live music on a regular basis, that had two separate rooms long before any state had a ban. The owner didn't like smoke & had a glass partition between the bar & the restaurant with the stage.

The name is "The Towne Crier Cafe" in Pawling, NY. Of all the small venues around, this one was my favorite. My wife & I would let the owner know we enjoyed his place quite a bit & that the no smoking policy was one of the reasons. When I did go to other places without a smoking ban, Pennsylvania still allows it, I was quickly reminded how much I liked the ban.

I also agree with the fast food/overweight problem being a health issue, but where do you draw the line on banning things? There's no easy way to differentiate how much abuse someone will be able to tolerate before it effects them. Everyone is different & everyone seems to have an "Uncle Joe" that smoked 3 packs of non filtered Camels everyday, & lived to be 102 years old.

There are also a lot of overweight people who live a long time. I guess the important things are moderation & knowledge, but it also has to do with choice & responsibility. If you overdo anything, it's bad for you & will probably kill you off early. Smoke a lot, & chances are you'll get a related disease, but keep it to yourself. Sky dive 10 times a day, & chances are the chute will malfunction at some point, but just don't land on me coming down.

I know overweight issues, as well as other things, will add to the final cost of health care, but I think it's too difficult to list things that don't directly affect a bystander. The same goes for the baggy pants thread. How the hell can someone actually determine the baggyness limits on a pair of pants? What happens to all the plumbers with plumbers crack that don't even follow fashion trends?   :lol:
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For my 17th birthday I got a Zippo lighter engraved with my initials from my parents!  The 50's & 60's were a different time.  You were just expected to smoke.  Even after quitting in '76 it took a few years to NOT like the smell of cigarette smoke.  I don't think it should be banned completely, but do question those who start these days with all the health information now available.  Mom died of lung cancer a few years back at 79 and managed to keep smoking up to the day she died.  She was in denial that the smoking had anything to do with the cancer.   Bob
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70charger_boy

I smoke and often feel like an outcast.  They banned smoking in public, here in Rhode Island and whenever I smoke I have to have at least one person say to me "Those things can kill you"  I simply reply by reaching down the small of my back, pull out my .45 and say "So, can this"

Khyron

Quote from: The70RT on September 18, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
They can ban smoking................I don't think the US will ever be a Communism country though. :shruggy:

Think of what you just typed... and you will find my responce.

Ban McDonalds, Burger King, Crystals, etc

whenever I see an Anti-smoking Ad on T.V. or read a thread like this. I have a smoke....this thread is killing me!  :smilielol:


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Quote from: Khyron on September 18, 2007, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: The70RT on September 18, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
They can ban smoking................I don't think the US will ever be a Communism country though. :shruggy:

Think of what you just typed... and you will find my responce.

Ban McDonalds, Burger King, Crystals, etc

whenever I see an Anti-smoking Ad on T.V. or read a thread like this. I have a smoke....this thread is killing me!  :smilielol:

Your'e telling me......tap water isn't anygood anymore :smilielol:
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Quote from: The70RT on September 18, 2007, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: Khyron on September 18, 2007, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: The70RT on September 18, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
They can ban smoking................I don't think the US will ever be a Communism country though. :shruggy:

Think of what you just typed... and you will find my responce.

Ban McDonalds, Burger King, Crystals, etc

whenever I see an Anti-smoking Ad on T.V. or read a thread like this. I have a smoke....this thread is killing me!  :smilielol:

Your'e telling me......tap water isn't anygood anymore :smilielol:

:smilielol: :smilielol:  You brought up a good point!!!!!  I heard that tap water is toxic.  That is why everyone drinks poland spring  :scratchchin:  Can you say new thread?

CaptMarvel

Quote from: nh_mopar_fan on September 18, 2007, 09:58:16 AM
The point that you keep ignoring is that the fat guy that sits in the same room as me does me no harm.

The smoker's second hand smoke does.



Wellll, in all honesty, all bad habits do all of us harm in some way. Higher insurance rates (in the case of overeating, smoking and alcohol) Alcohol has been known to cause physical harm (death and disfigurment) to a great deal of innocents (think about those useless jerks who insist on driving after getting their "light buzz"). Its never them that we have to put in a body bag. Even the social problems and the subsequent increase in violence and additional cost of law enforcement brought about by moral problems such as gambling and pornography and related things affect us all. We all live on this rock together...You cant just single out second hand smoke as the only vice "affecting others"  :scratchchin: