Fired the 440 today and broke in the cam, may be Chevyed as well.

[cudaken]

 First of all, I screw up, had the 440 wired wrong. Cam 2 and a goofie dirgram is not the best way to wire a 440. Doubled checked today, went opps, that not right. Labled the spark plug wires and had at it again. Also retarted the timing a little more and had at it.

Good new's first.
Keept her running for 25 minutes by ear 2000 to 2200 RPM's.
Oil pressuer was by factory gauge 90 PIS
Temp was at 170 Max
Oil was clean after break in.

Sort of bad new's
Blue Max wires seem to be shit now. See other posting I made.
BBQ paint does not work on header's, man looked like the house was on fire.
Header's where glowing red on I think 3, 5 and 8. Seen that before and just stock fan for cooling.

I need to miss spell this part first. I have what is called a Platey (smooth bore) hone on the holes. Was told that was the way to go with the Cut To Fit Plasm Chrome Molly Rings. This is the first time I ever ran them.

What I am worried about.

Had blow by from the dip stick tube, may not be a big deal but more than likely is.

What is freaking me out is this.

                                   me

PIC will follow I hope, F--king Coumpters.

   

[cudaken]

 This

[cudaken]

 During break in of the cam that chevy started to show up. Water level went up and down but never blew chunks.

After berak in of the cam "there she blows" and blew out the crap then rest looked clean.

I spent the $40.00 to call Neil and he gave me a little hope. Never checked timing, all I was worried about was cam break in. As Neil said, with the headers that hot timing could be way advanes and cause the bubbles.

In the old days I used STP on the head gaskets before I wreched then to specks

Radiator is not new, was used on the 42sick. If I am lucky (I am not lately) might be crap from it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I think I am up a chevy creek with out a 440 to paddel me.

Will see if Rick from D&D is a man of his word. Paid him to pull this thing apart and check everthing. Gave me a fire up warranty. If you dont hear from me he is dead and I am in jail. There is $12,000.00 in the milk shake machine that I call a 440.

I wish had had keept the 42sick. Ran great and what is a quart every 75 miles?

                           Just shoot me Ken

[General_01]

  That doesn't look good. Hope everything is OK.

[cudaken]

 On a little bite of a bright side, did driver her into the garage. Whole 8 feet.

  General_01 you have the number for Cooter?

                            Ken

[firefighter3931]

I wouldn't panic just yet.

(1) Bubbles in the coolant are air pockets. Did you run a thermostat during the breakin ? If so did you keep the cap off until the coolant was circulating? Leave the cap off until there were no more air bubbles ? That's stuff i allways do.

(2) The discolored coolant could just be old sediment from the other motor.

(3) Check the oil...drain it and replace with fresh stuff and change the filter. Cut the filter open and have a look for debris. How does the oil look ? Any signs of water/coolant contamination ? Does it look milky ?

(4) pressure from the crankcase through the dipstick : is the pcv valve and breather working properly ? The rings aren't completely seated yet and won't be for a few hundred miles...

(5) Hot exhaust is normal...new engines are tight and generate a lot of heat. Check the timing next time you fire it up. Retarded timing will cause hot exhaust because late timing has the fuel burning in the header tube instead of the combustion chamber. See where it's at...my guess is that it's retarded.

(6) If you're concerned about the engines compression run a leakdown and compression test. It won't be ideal because the rings aren't completely seated but it will give you a good idea of where things stand.

(7) check for vacuum leaks. This will also cause a lean condition resulting in hot engine temps. Put a vacuum guage on it....should have at least 15in vacuum with a cam that mild.

Ron

[MoparYoungGun]

Sorry to hear about your troubles Ken, I hope you get everything figured out and get that blown monster out on the street soon !

[cudaken]

 Retime her at 10 befor TDC, found another spark plug wire haning off. Number three this time. Have started her 4 times after the last post I made. Hit the key and she is lite.

Reed Blower cam sure is mild sounding comparied to what I normaly run. Duration at 0.050 is intake 218.00 and exhaust 228.00. Lift is 0.461 intake and 0.480 on the exhaust.

Feeling a little better, idles at 600 RPM's by ear and hit the gas revs fast. Shut her down, shakes the Charger like a good engine should.

Hate to say this, but time to ask a Chevy guy for some help. Bob owns the shop I use for normal repair on my 91 Daytona and Sues T/C. He is a bow tie guy, but all so a Rodder.

Need a lift to drain the coolent, and have nothing to drain 9 quarts of oil into. He also has a pressure tester unlike me.

Charger is up to driving the 2 mile to his shop, after that not sure.

  Got to hit the hay with dream of a supercharged 440 dancing in my head.

Not out of hope just yet but cloes.

                                                                   Cuda Ken

[Chryco Psycho]

I think you will be OK the hot headers should just be timing adjustment , nothing else looks serious yet
Congrats on getting it running !!!!

[bull]

Things don't sound too bad to me. There will always kinks to be worked out with a new motor, even if there isn't a blower on top.

[firefighter3931]

Ken, if you can barrow a cooling system pressure tester it would be worthwhile to check out the integrity of the cooling system. Pull the dipstick and have a look at the oil that's on it....does the oil look milky ?

Ron

[cudaken]

 Ron, oil in the pan is so clean, there all most does not look like there oil in it. If it was looking like mud I would have killed my self last night.


                                                       Cuda Ken

[firefighter3931]

Well that's very good news Ken !   The discolored coolant is most likely sediment from the previuos motor....

Ron

[cudaken]

 I am feeling a little better but not a lot. Spoke with Bob (Chevy guy that works on the drivers)   about the Charger Milk Shake. Told me he as ran into the same thing. Something he said ran ture. The new solvents used in hot tanking is a soap. I was shocked the first time I saw the 440 block after cleaning, did not take the paint off. (hot tanked 2 times as well) Told me if they did not power wash the block water passages will still have crap from there tank and soap. That can cause the nasty looking Milk Shake.

Will change the oil for $10.00 if I buy the 2 gallons of oil and fliter. Will pressuer test it for free so that seems fair. He also said to change the oil after cam break in. Guess I have just been lucky in the good old days, waited 500 miles before oil change. That was street engines, racing engine's where broke in at the track, changed after 4 passes to break in the engine.

I drove her tonight, to say I need to tune more is a understament! She is a pig. Need to double check the timing and and point gap.

Have a MP Chrome chain cover, only reason I bought one is I wanted a new cover not the chrome you cannot see. How is the timing tap sat up on it? Like a 68-70 BB or later? Timing may be way off.

Think the big problem is the Blue Max wires. Either I am so lean it is unreal or I got a set of junk wires. Carb is a stock 750 Holley than ran rich on the Runner. Intake is a stock (with a hole in the choke well Ron) 1972 440 intake. I think dropped one to 2 holes on the 3/4 miles I drove her.

PIC is the worst boot I had. Before start up I found it loes and could not get it back on. This is after 30 minutes run time.

Sure don't make them like they use to.

                                                     Cuda Ken

[DFS68_Charger]

Ken,

No broken cam yet?
Good to hear. Sorry I missed your call. misplaced the cell phone again. I just got installing my stock cam back into the piece of Crap. Not going to be able to run the roller rockers. Wish I had a set of MP heavy duty stamped rockers laying around.

Going to pull the F%&*ing heads off tomorrow and swap out the springs for my MP 930's. At least all 16 made it out of the dumpster.

DFS

[firefighter3931]

I am feeling a little better but not a lot. Spoke with Bob (Chevy guy that on the drivers)   about the Charger Milk Shake. Told me he as ran into the same thing. Something he said ran ture. The new solvents used in hot tanking is a soap. I was shocked the first time I saw the 440 block after cleaning, did not take the paint off. (hot tanked 2 times as well) Told me if they did not power wash the block water passages will still have crap from there tank and soap. That can cause the nasty looking Milk Shake.

Will change the oil for $10.00 if I buy the 2 gallons of oil and fliter. Will pressuer test it for free so that seems fair. He also said to change the oil after cam break in. Guess I have just been lucky in the good old days, waited 500 miles before oil change. That was street engines, racing engine's where broke in at the track, changed after 4 passes to break in the engine.

I drove her tonight, to say I need to tune more is a understament! She is a pig. Need to double check the timing and and point gap.

Have a MP Chrome chain cover, only reason I bought one is I wanted a new cover not the chrome you cannot see. How is the timing tap sat up on it? Like a 68-70 BB or later? Timing may be way off.

Think the big problem is the Blue Max wires. Either I am so lean it is unreal or I got a set of junk wires. Carb is a stock 750 Holley than ran rich on the Runner. Intake is a stock (with a hole in the choke well Ron) 1972 440 intake. I think dropped one to 2 holes on the 3/4 miles I drove her.

PIC is the worst boot I had. Before start up I found it loes and could not get it back on. This is after 30 minutes run time.

Sure don't make them like they use to.

                                                     Cuda Ken

Ken,

Those boots don't look good, how close to the header tubes are they ? You should be able to purchase new boots to replace those. As far as timing is concerned, you should time it just like any other 68-70 440. Have you verified TDC on the balancer ? If the balancer is old the outer ring might have slipped making the timing light pretty much useless. You need to check the index on the balancer to see where it's at.

The engine probably won't feel too peppy because the cam is designed for a blower engine and it's running low compression and the 2.94 gearing probably isn't helping much either.

Get yourself a vacuum guage and keep advancing the timing until it reaches maximum vacuum....that's probably the easiest way to time it for the time being. Then you can work on the distributor curve and ignition setup.

I've heard the same thing about the hot tank soap causing brown coolant. Maybe a good flush is in order when it hits the street with the blower.

Ron

[Runner]

even with the softplugs out mopar blocks dont drain the cooling passeges very well so that could be some sludge still biult up.   i dont know about other states but here in idaho people can still use a hot tank. my block was spotless when it came out of the hot tank no paint at all.  and it also went through a spray cablnet (big ass dish washer) probably 5 times during machine work before final assembly.  my heads on the other hand where just striped down and put throught the spray cabnet a few times and still had most of the paint on them but were squeeky clean.

[cudaken]

 Hey Dave, go out to your Charger your 383 is ringing. DFS68 dosn't have a shoe phone but a Engine Phone. 

On the timing ring slipping, I have never seen it on a BB Mopar, but with the age anything is possible. I think timing is pretty close but will check. Hit the gas peadel 2 times and turn the key and she start's.

Ron, still think with the Blower cam, it should still run better than this. Compression is higher than I would like for the blower engine. I am right at 9.03 to 1. I have ran the 2.76 sure gripe with the orginal 440 and 42sick, both pulled stroner than this engine. But they where in tune.

Will see if I can get a vacume tester and see what I have.

                                           Cuda Ken