So who is ready for another Draft?

[4aThrill]

So who is ready for another Draft? What there is a draft going on you say. Well, there is and there isn't one. Let me explain; there is a draft that is happening throughout the military right now. Military personnel can either volunteer themselves to go to Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, or South Africa, or they can voluntold to go for the minimum amount of 385 days. So instead of military personnel reenlisting when their time is almost up, they are thinking about the fact that they could  be sent to one of these places even though their not in the Army, or Marines. Since there is a higher rate of people getting out of the military than reenlisting, when do you think they will start another draft? Or maybe they will finally decide to pull out of this war or whatever they want to call it.

[Silver R/T]

Moving to Canada might be an option

[Lowprofile]

Maybe for you. 

[4aThrill]

moving to Canada sounds like an good idea, or you just fall off the grid and move to the mountainas or something since these classic cars don't have tracking devices in them. unless there is a  low jack or other things like satellite radio,gps and so on.

[70charger_boy]

I already served so they can't get me..

[Orange_Crush]

This is when its nice to have dual citizenship.

[pettyfan43]

All I can say is if my country needed me, I'd go! I have the utmost respect for ANYBODY who serves in the military! For those who serve, THANK YOU! If you VOLUNTARILY went into the military and thought you could never be put on the line in military action, you are sadly delusional. If you VOLUNTEER for the military you have to know this is ALWAYS a possibility.

If you are gonna go to a foreign country just to get out of serving your country, you are sad and pathetic.   


For those who serve THANK YOU! 

To those who serve in war, THANK YOU and may God watch over you and bring you home safe! The rest of us can enjoy what we have because of your sacrifices. Because of you we can celebrate a holiday like Labor day by playing with a 40 year old Dodge! That is what I'll be doing.

Ya know guys, Freedom is NOT FREE, it is NOT owned, it is LEASED and unfortunately every now and then a payment has to be made.

If you still don't get it watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB76cYS8Ehw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctVI5baftFo&mode=related&search=

And this. And if that just doesn't get the point across...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t32NdpPDVCI

Soldiers THANK YOU!

[Mean 318]

Moving to Canada might be an option

coward

[Charger1973]

I already served so they can't get me..

Me too.     There are some days I wish I was still in... but not too many.      

[69CoronetRT]

All I can say is if my country needed me, I'd go! I have the utmost respect for ANYBODY who serves in the military! For those who serve, THANK YOU! If you VOLUNTARILY went into the military and thought you could never be put on the line in military action, you are sadly delusional. If you VOLUNTEER for the military you have to know this is ALWAYS a possibility.

If you are gonna go to a foreign country just to get out of serving your country, you are sad and pathetic.   


For those who serve THANK YOU! 

To those who serve in war, THANK YOU and may God watch over you and bring you home safe! The rest of us can enjoy what we have because of your sacrifices. Because of you we can celebrate a holiday like Labor day by playing with a 40 year old Dodge! That is what I'll be doing.

Ya know guys, Freedom is NOT FREE, it is NOT owned, it is LEASED and unfortunately every now and then a payment has to be made.

If you still don't get it watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB76cYS8Ehw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctVI5baftFo&mode=related&search=

And this. And if that just doesn't get the point across...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t32NdpPDVCI

Soldiers THANK YOU!

Nice post. Thanks

[last426]

All I can say is if my country needed me, I'd go! I have the utmost respect for ANYBODY who serves in the military! For those who serve, THANK YOU! If you VOLUNTARILY went into the military and thought you could never be put on the line in military action, you are sadly delusional. If you VOLUNTEER for the military you have to know this is ALWAYS a possibility.

If you are gonna go to a foreign country just to get out of serving your country, you are sad and pathetic. 

Oh please.  Have you even read the book by Robert McNamara where he admits that both he and LBJ lied to the American public while 56,000 American men and women were slaughtered for no good reason.  The heroes of that war were the thousands who went to Canada, protested on campuses, and were even killed by our own National Guard (Kent State).  What makes a hero is not walking in lock step over the cliff like a lemming but rather considering what he is asked to do, considering the ramifications, and making a choice, as hard as that may seem.  You can post all of the flag waving, tear jerking youtube videos that you want but believe this: if there ever is a draft the tragedy that is Iraq will stop immediately because Americans will not stomach their children being forced to leave home in a plane only to return in a box.  Our treasure and our kids cannot be wasted so that someone in a sovereign country can paint their fingers purple -- the American public will not stand for it. Kim

[Silver R/T]

mexico sounds like fun also

[Mean 318]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

[253862656971]

I can hear the hammer coming down. 

I hope they don't have a draft.  Not because I don't want to serve (I'd volunteer if the draft started tommorow) but because I don't want to be stuck with some jackass in a foxhole someplace who's only thought is how the hell he's gonna high-tail it over the next ridge at the first sign of trouble.  I can't put to words how strongly I feel about lowlife draft dodgers and I know I can't do it without getting personal so I'm gonna stop right here.

[69CoronetRT]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

Mean, let's rethink this post and try to keep the thread from becoming locked. I understand your point and passion but let's try another way....

[Mean 318]

no one wants to see a draft, but like you said. if one were to happen it is your duty as an American to be there!

[Todd Wilson]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

[bull]

mexico sounds like fun also

Yea, I vote you go to Mexico. So when are you leaving?

[Lowprofile]

Oh please.  Have you even read the book by Robert McNamara where he admits that both he and LBJ lied to the American public while 56,000 American men and women were slaughtered for no good reason. 

58,209. Thats the number of US Service Men and Women who gave their lives. Thats the same number those two cowards McNamara & LBJ are responsible for getting killed because they lacked the "intestinal fortitude" as polititans, as men & as human beings to get the job done. My uncle did four tours, the last two as an Army Ranger. He was there at the fall of Saigon.........It haunted him until his death 9 years ago.

[69bronzeT5]

mexico sounds like fun also

Yea, I vote you go to Mexico. So when are you leaving?

[chargerboy69]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

I could not agree more.    There are a couple more on here that can make the trip with you.

In before the lock.

[hemihead]

They will change the draft laws so nobody will be able to run to another country.Also, you won't be able to hide in college anymore. They will let you finish the semester you are in but that's it.Women may also end up being drafted.

[70charger_boy]

I already served so they can't get me..

Me too.     There are some days I wish I was still in... but not too many.      

It's funny, because when I was in I hated it.  Now, I wish I was in and everytime I see a show with a carrier on it I just get so choked up and I'm so proud that I served....

Only next time, I'm gonna be a marine!

[Arthu®]

Uhm why would you want people fighting a war they don't agree with? They will probably make the shittiest soldiers a war has seen. I don't believe in drafting, if you can't find enough soldiers that want to fight for the cause (whatever that is) than maybe the people don't agree with the war? Wouldn't you think that if people saw the war as the right thing, people would be proud to serve for that cause?  Oh yeah and I am in befo da lock!

Arthur

[70charger_boy]

Uhm why would you want people fighting a war they don't agree with? They will probably make the shittiest soldiers a war has seen. I don't believe in drafting, if you can't find enough soldiers that want to fight for the cause (whatever that is) than maybe the people don't agree with the war? Wouldn't you think that if people saw the war as the right thing, people would be proud to serve for that cause?  Oh yeah and I am in befo da lock!

Arthur

Wow, I finally agree with Arthur... Is hell going to freeze over?

Seriously, This war is bullshit.  Young kids are dying.  Kids graduate high school and are looking forward to living a life, getting drunk, having kids, blah blah woof woff. They don't need the draft hanging over their heads.    I'm sure this country has enough people in it to volunteer

[70charger_boy]

oh Yeah
IN BEFO DA LOCK

[Arthu®]

Hey what's that, you can't agree with me. You must say something now that I find utterly stupid so that I can irritate myself again!

[Mike DC]

   
Unfortunately, the current shortage of troops is just one more (very predicable) outcome of the Iraq invasion.  Waging the Afghanistan campaign alone for the last several years would not have put us in a position anywhere near this.  We never have enlistment problems when we're in conflicts that most of the populace (and the world) agrees we should be in.

But of course the anger/frustration will often get directed at the non-enlisters, rather than at those leaders who chose to over-extend our resources in the first place with horrendously-bad planning.  I've never understood that.

 

[Arthu®]

But of course the anger/frustration will often get directed at the non-enlisters, rather than at those leaders who chose to over-extend our resources in the first place with horrendously-bad planning.  I've never understood that.

Very good point!

[TK73]

   
Unfortunately, the current shortage of troops is just one more (very predicable) outcome of the Iraq invasion.  Waging the Afghanistan campaign alone for the last several years would not have put us in a position anywhere near this.  We never have enlistment problems when we're in conflicts that most of the populace (and the world) agrees we should be in.

But of course the anger/frustration will often get directed at the non-enlisters, rather than at those leaders who chose to over-extend our resources in the first place with horrendously-bad planning.  I've never understood that.

 

Yep...

Damn glad I'm too old to get drafted to the sandbox.

[PocketThunder]

   
Unfortunately, the current shortage of troops is just one more (very predicable) outcome of the Iraq invasion.  Waging the Afghanistan campaign alone for the last several years would not have put us in a position anywhere near this.  We never have enlistment problems when we're in conflicts that most of the populace (and the world) agrees we should be in.

But of course the anger/frustration will often get directed at the non-enlisters, rather than at those leaders who chose to over-extend our resources in the first place with horrendously-bad planning.  I've never understood that.

 

Yep...

Damn glad I'm too old to get drafted to the sandbox.

How old is too old?  I'm 32 and i would imagine i'm still eligible.  Maybe i'll google it and report back..

[PocketThunder]

It looks like ages 18~25 get drafted.  http://www.sss.gov/seq.htm

[hutch]

We need a draft right out of high school and none of this school or work deferment stuff like we had back in Nam.  And I think only Vets should be able to vote.

[Charger_Fan]

We need a draft right out of high school and none of this school or work deferment stuff like we had back in Nam.  And I think only Vets should be able to vote.

I think that for a lot of guys of HS graduation age, that's not a bad idea. It will help them grow up & learn that life is more than just 'them & their little world'...wouldn't work for everyone, though.

I think voters should have to pass a test first, before being allowed to vote...some of them don't even know who they are voting for, they just check off a familiar name.


IBL!

[PocketThunder]

We need a draft right out of high school and none of this school or work deferment stuff like we had back in Nam.  And I think only Vets should be able to vote.

I think that for a lot of guys of HS graduation age, that's not a bad idea. It will help them grow up & learn that life is more than just 'them & their little world'...wouldn't work for everyone, though.

I think voters should have to pass a test first, before being allowed to vote...some of them don't even know who they are voting for, they just check off a familiar name.


IBL!

Or who's in the sack with a hot intern!   

[Back N Black]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

Mean 318
What are you waiting for? sign up now,don't wait for a draft! Talk is cheap.

[Brock Samson]

a couple things:

First of all i avoided this thread as soon as i saw the title...

Maybe we need to DRAFT some question marks?..

Has anyone here ever read 1984?.. (ya' know the book?..)

My suggestion is just to nuke any place we think might post a thread,.. sorry I mean,.. Pose a threat... 

[69DodgeCharger]

   
Unfortunately, the current shortage of troops is just one more (very predicable) outcome of the Iraq invasion.  Waging the Afghanistan campaign alone for the last several years would not have put us in a position anywhere near this.  We never have enlistment problems when we're in conflicts that most of the populace (and the world) agrees we should be in.

But of course the anger/frustration will often get directed at the non-enlisters, rather than at those leaders who chose to over-extend our resources in the first place with horrendously-bad planning.  I've never understood that.

 

Yep...

Damn glad I'm too old to get drafted to the sandbox.

Yep same here......

So Mean318 you are saying it's my duty as an American to fight for the (proven) lies behind the invasion of Iraq. I'm guessing you ran right down to the local recruiters office to join up, they just haven't called you yet right? Let us know when you ship out we'll give you a hero's send off, and a hero's return when you come back in a stainlesss steel box, or missing some of your limbs.

[Ponch ®]

Would I want to go? No

Would I go? Absolutely. Even if I didn't agree with whatever war I'm being sent to...who am I to say that I'm better or superior in any way shape or form than someone who is already there and might also disagree with the reasons for fighting? If they have to go...why not me?

Having said that, a draft might not be such a bad thing at all. Seems to me like the generations that built this country into what is is now were shaped by their experience in the military. Nowadays, the typical 18-20 year old spends his time going to class late, wearing silly trucker hats, smoking weed, and playing XBOX...and that's supposed to be our future. Would it really be so bad if everyone - unless you're blind, paralyzed, or retarded - had to at least serve a year or two, even as reserves? It just might instill all the discipline, values, and direction that most young people today lack...

[Todd Wilson]

Would I want to go? No

Would I go? Absolutely. Even if I didn't agree with whatever war I'm being sent to...who am I to say that I'm better or superior in any way shape or form than someone who is already there and might also disagree with the reasons for fighting? If they have to go...why not me?

Having said that, a draft might not be such a bad thing at all. Seems to me like the generations that built this country into what is is now were shaped by their experience in the military. Nowadays, the typical 18-20 year old spends his time going to class late, wearing silly trucker hats, smoking weed, and playing XBOX...and that's supposed to be our future. Would it really be so bad if everyone - unless you're blind, paralyzed, or retarded - had to at least serve a year or two, even as reserves? It just might instill all the discipline, values, and direction that most young people today lack...

YUP!  You are exactly right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I agree 1000%!!!!



Todd

[last426]

We need a draft right out of high school and none of this school or work deferment stuff like we had back in Nam.  And I think only Vets should be able to vote.

Just so you know, they did away with the work and school deferment stuff around 1968 or so.  When I turned 18 in 71 I was part of the lottery system and got 153.  What really sealed the end of Viet Nam was when the general populace was at risk, as I said above.  When everyone is at risk of going to war, suddenly the thought of war becomes real and unless there is a real and palpable reason to engage, people won't. 

[69DodgeCharger]

Would I want to go? No

Would I go? Absolutely. Even if I didn't agree with whatever war I'm being sent to...who am I to say that I'm better or superior in any way shape or form than someone who is already there and might also disagree with the reasons for fighting? If they have to go...why not me?

Having said that, a draft might not be such a bad thing at all. Seems to me like the generations that built this country into what is is now were shaped by their experience in the military. Nowadays, the typical 18-20 year old spends his time going to class late, wearing silly trucker hats, smoking weed, and playing XBOX...and that's supposed to be our future. Would it really be so bad if everyone - unless you're blind, paralyzed, or retarded - had to at least serve a year or two, even as reserves? It just might instill all the discipline, values, and direction that most young people today lack...

You know what? That's a great idea the mandatory service thing. And I think we should start it out with the children of the politicians that so firmly believe in this cause, followed up with the children of Americans who also believe in it. And then followed up by the rest of the general populace. By the way, nice stereotyping of the "average 18-20 year old" but it's California, no need to expand on that.

  It's not the Governments job to instil discipline, values and direction. That duty belongs to family and community. Would you really go if you disagreed? That talk is great but when your getting on that bus, plane or ship knowing you may never come back, or when you do some of you will be missing how will you feel?

As far as the people that are already there, they volunteered. They knew the risks when they signed up and decided it was a chance they would take. Draftees don't get to make that choice, and I'm guessing they wouldn't be elegible for some of the same benefits  the volunteers receive.

Here's a thought... Sure make all young people do two years, with the stipulation they can not be called to active duty during that time or for two years immediately afterwards. That's fair and besides we still have the volunteer military at our disposal.

[69DodgeCharger]

"And I think only Vets should be able to vote."


That is truly one of the stupidest things I have read in some time.

[70charger_boy]

Would I want to go? No

Would I go? Absolutely. Even if I didn't agree with whatever war I'm being sent to...who am I to say that I'm better or superior in any way shape or form than someone who is already there and might also disagree with the reasons for fighting? If they have to go...why not me?

Having said that, a draft might not be such a bad thing at all. Seems to me like the generations that built this country into what is is now were shaped by their experience in the military. Nowadays, the typical 18-20 year old spends his time going to class late, wearing silly trucker hats, smoking weed, and playing XBOX...and that's supposed to be our future. Would it really be so bad if everyone - unless you're blind, paralyzed, or retarded - had to at least serve a year or two, even as reserves? It just might instill all the discipline, values, and direction that most young people today lack...

You know what? That's a great idea the mandatory service thing. And I think we should start it out with the children of the politicians that so firmly believe in this cause, followed up with the children of Americans who also believe in it. And then followed up by the rest of the general populace. By the way, nice stereotyping of the "average 18-20 year old" but it's California, no need to expand on that.

  It's not the Governments job to instil discipline, values and direction. That duty belongs to family and community. Would you really go if you disagreed? That talk is great but when your getting on that bus, plane or ship knowing you may never come back, or when you do some of you will be missing how will you feel?

As far as the people that are already there, they volunteered. They knew the risks when they signed up and decided it was a chance they would take. Draftees don't get to make that choice, and I'm guessing they wouldn't be elegible for some of the same benefits  the volunteers receive.

Here's a thought... Sure make all young people do two years, with the stipulation they can not be called to active duty during that time or for two years immediately afterwards. That's fair and besides we still have the volunteer military at our disposal.

Bravo!!!!  I agree

[Mike DC]

 
I'd be in favor of some sort of civil service at age 18 for a couple of years.  IN THEORY.
But in practice, I can't imagine it would end up being a fair system whatsoever.


You know what would happen.  They'd quickly find some way to start controlling who gets sent to do what.
("We need to test everyone for various aptitudes, to better place them according to their various skill sets.")

They'd justify some system where the rich/powerful kids are deemed more "suited" or "capable of performing" service positions that happen to be easier/more pleasant, not to mention helping them get a better start on their careers.  And of course the ghetto kids would test-out as being much more "suited" and "capable" of doing civil-service jobs that involve cleaning toilets & being put in harm's way.

   

[TheGhost]

All I can say is if my country needed me, I'd go! I have the utmost respect for ANYBODY who serves in the military! For those who serve, THANK YOU! If you VOLUNTARILY went into the military and thought you could never be put on the line in military action, you are sadly delusional. If you VOLUNTEER for the military you have to know this is ALWAYS a possibility.

If you are gonna go to a foreign country just to get out of serving your country, you are sad and pathetic. 

Oh please.  Have you even read the book by Robert McNamara where he admits that both he and LBJ lied to the American public while 56,000 American men and women were slaughtered for no good reason.  The heroes of that war were the thousands who went to Canada, protested on campuses, and were even killed by our own National Guard (Kent State).  What makes a hero is not walking in lock step over the cliff like a lemming but rather considering what he is asked to do, considering the ramifications, and making a choice, as hard as that may seem.  You can post all of the flag waving, tear jerking youtube videos that you want but believe this: if there ever is a draft the tragedy that is Iraq will stop immediately because Americans will not stomach their children being forced to leave home in a plane only to return in a box.  Our treasure and our kids cannot be wasted so that someone in a sovereign country can paint their fingers purple -- the American public will not stand for it. Kim

You were one of those guys that would spit on Vietnam vets as they were returning home from the war, weren't you?


This threads gonna get ugly...

[Ponch ®]

Would I want to go? No

Would I go? Absolutely. Even if I didn't agree with whatever war I'm being sent to...who am I to say that I'm better or superior in any way shape or form than someone who is already there and might also disagree with the reasons for fighting? If they have to go...why not me?

Having said that, a draft might not be such a bad thing at all. Seems to me like the generations that built this country into what is is now were shaped by their experience in the military. Nowadays, the typical 18-20 year old spends his time going to class late, wearing silly trucker hats, smoking weed, and playing XBOX...and that's supposed to be our future. Would it really be so bad if everyone - unless you're blind, paralyzed, or retarded - had to at least serve a year or two, even as reserves? It just might instill all the discipline, values, and direction that most young people today lack...

You know what? That's a great idea the mandatory service thing. And I think we should start it out with the children of the politicians that so firmly believe in this cause, followed up with the children of Americans who also believe in it. And then followed up by the rest of the general populace. By the way, nice stereotyping of the "average 18-20 year old" but it's California, no need to expand on that.

  It's not the Governments job to instil discipline, values and direction. That duty belongs to family and community. Would you really go if you disagreed? That talk is great but when your getting on that bus, plane or ship knowing you may never come back, or when you do some of you will be missing how will you feel?

As far as the people that are already there, they volunteered. They knew the risks when they signed up and decided it was a chance they would take. Draftees don't get to make that choice, and I'm guessing they wouldn't be elegible for some of the same benefits  the volunteers receive.

Here's a thought... Sure make all young people do two years, with the stipulation they can not be called to active duty during that time or for two years immediately afterwards. That's fair and besides we still have the volunteer military at our disposal.

You make some good point and I can certainly respect them. However, from my perspective you're basing your opinion on the current political currents. I was speaking in a more general sense, regardless of whether there is a war going on or not. You are correct, it is not the government's job to instill discipline and values - and I don't think it does. I do think however, that the experience can build character and bring out the inner qualities (or faults) of people, and in turn those qualities trickle onto the communities once they return to "civilian" life.

[Brock Samson]

 what about using the guys filling the prisons as cannon fodder?

like the bad assed gang guys who like to shoot up their fellow dropouts out on the streets...

could be an interesting alturnitive to housing, feeding, clothing these convicted crimminals who's parents didn't step up...

infact, let's include their dead beat dads they could partner in the lead hummer doing Recon and lets also include the moms who flush their newborns down the toilet and then claim they didn't know they were preggo... or lock their kids in hot cars while they're in the crack house... or abuse their kids in any form....

anyone with me on this?... 

[69DodgeCharger]

All I am saying Ponch is that the current Govt. in this country is so corrupt and drunk on power and money from Big Business and special interests that they can't be entrusted to make the right call on anything, let alone peoples lives. The system is so far gone it needs to be scrapped and rebuilt. Term limits for Congress is a good start. Stripping the President of most of his ability to appoint who he chooses to further his agenda is another. Limiting the Commander in Chief's blanket authority over the military should be looked at too. As far as the mandatory civil service, it sounds good to me and it shouldn't be limited to just younger people fresh out of school. But the draft option must absolutely be off the table when  the kind of idiots we currently have in power, including those at the State and local levels are making the calls that decide who is worth "keeping around" and who isn't. Otherwise it will be the same old, same old.....Rich white kids get protected, everybody else is cannon fodder.

[69DodgeCharger]

what about using the guys filling the prisons as cannon fodder?

like the bad assed gang guys who like to shoot up their fellow dropouts out on the streets...

could be an interesting alturnitive to housing, feeding, clothing these convicted crimminals who's parents didn't step up...

infact, let's include their dead beat dads they could partner in the lead hummer doing Recon and lets also include the moms who flush their newborns down the toilet and then claim they didn't know they were preggo... or lock their kids in hot cars while they're in the crack house... or abuse their kids in any form....

anyone with me on this?... 

I am, as long as they never get to come back and use their military skills on the general public. You can take the kid out of the ghetto, but very rarely can you take the ghetto out of the kid......Leopards don't change their spots, they just hide them better. I'd be more inclined to send all the illegal immigrants off to war to let them earn their citizenship. And I'm guessing many of them would.

[last426]

You were one of those guys that would spit on Vietnam vets as they were returning home from the war, weren't you?

Better than that, I kicked their butt grade wise when they tried to do college on the GI Bill.  Seems the Army is good at teaching people how to salute but not so good at teaching them how to think.  And now each and every one of them is sitting on the sidewalk here in San Francisco with misspelled signs as folks like you avert your eyes, shake your heads, and try to make laws against homelessness.  The country that you pretend to care so much about seems to have forgotten them.

As I understand you are too young to have been there but generally the protesters were very sympathetic to returning soldiers.  The spitting thing is a folktale that people seem to rely on as though it is some kind of support for troops.  Support for our troops is protesting every ill conceived war and keeping precious American blood from being shed for frivolous reasons. Four Dead in Ohio, listen to it, learn from it.  Kim

[Mean 318]

You were one of those guys that would spit on Vietnam vets as they were returning home from the war, weren't you?

Better than that, I kicked their butt grade wise when they tried to do college on the GI Bill.  Seems the Army is good at teaching people how to salute but not so good at teaching them how to think.  And now each and every one of them is sitting on the sidewalk here in San Francisco with misspelled signs as folks like you avert your eyes, shake your heads, and try to make laws against homelessness.  The country that you pretend to care so much about seems to have forgotten them.

I am speechless!

[Mefirst]

Its weird...

Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place -Ooh, and if there isnt enough action in Iraq or Afganistan for you "home front soldiers", why don't you pressure your government to invade Iran as well....

I have done compulsory military service in Finland. Would I go and fight a war thousands of miles away, on the other side of the planet earth for Finland, -NO way! But try to come across the boarder of Finland, in that case Id have no problem joining up and protecting my country...

My

[4aThrill]

Or this is what could be done instead of a draft; for all the illegals in this country they get to go fight for us. Instead of taking our jobs, social security and living off of us. If they want to be here in the USA they will have to earn the right stay like most people on this site has done and still are doing. Instead of sending our own over there, don't get me wrong sending people who are 18-25 sounds alright if there they are the type of people who spend the time chilling out, smoking, and playing Xbox all the time they should go to. When they go and come back they will have a better understanding on how the world turns if this happens. To put the word out that USA will not let anyone into this country until they earn the right to be here for fighting our wars.  To make sure these people will serve their full time of no less than 4 yrs in the service; otherwise they and if they have a family they all get sent back where they came from. This sounds fair doesn't it?

[69DodgeCharger]

"why don't you pressure your government to invade Iran as well...."


No need to pressure them I'm sure they are working on that as we speak. No need to rush things. Curious George and Darth Cheney still have 16 months left to get around to that? That's plenty enough time to fabricate some reason to go into Iran and Syria. I mean it's not like they haven't done it before?

[Chargen69]

Is this thread still open?  wow... I'm slow, but...















in before da 

[Chargen69]

"why don't you pressure your government to invade Iran as well...."


No need to pressure them I'm sure they are working on that as we speak. No need to rush things. Curious George and Darth Cheney still have 16 months left to get around to that? That's plenty enough time to fabricate some reason to go into Iran and Syria. I mean it's not like they haven't done it before?

actually, I have a friend who is now a trainer at Top Gun, before that, he flew in Irag, he told us that before we went into Irag, that they had learned every foot of iran and had done hours and hours in the simulators flying over iran.

[Mean 318]

this is stupid and pointless! Plese just  this thing!

[Mike DC]

C'mon guys.  This thread was originally just about the draft. 
We could start another Bush-bashing session & let the wild accusations fly, but there's no point.  It'll just kill the thread.

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"I had a brother at Khe Sanh, fighting off the Viet Cong.  They're still there, he's all gone."


Bruce took two sentences, and summed up the whole Vietnam war about as well as anyone ever has.   

The whole thing sucks.  Then and now.
   
 

[69DodgeCharger]

this is stupid and pointless! Plese just  this thing!

I'd say that too if I had been called out like you have.

[last426]

Its weird...
Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place

Ahh, let me instruct you about the blowhard, insecure, always macho, generally undereducated, American male.  Quick to anger, quick to blame others, quick to do the easy facades of patriotism.  But mostly quick to stand on a soapbox in the safety of their homes and spew platitudes rather than actually perform actions. Oh sure, they'll shed a tear as they clean the revolver that they claim is used to protect their family while it actually is a proxy for the phallus they lack.  Hence their insecurity.  They know they are impotent, their life just didn't amount to much, sure, if they could put down the beer they fancy themselves as somehow improving, but alas, deep inside they know the truth.  And the truth is, forums like this provide the only avenue for them to try to impress people.  Better this than slapping their unfortunate wives, lynching (blaming for those who lack understanding) an innocent minority, or molesting a child (I believe America leads the world in all of these).  Oh, and still supporting from afar a silly war that most Americans have finally realized as one man's folly.  Such is the American male.  Uh oh, I hope this isn't self loathing (it may be but it still was fun to write).  Kim

[Mike DC]

 
I'm out.  See you guys on some other thread.


 

[BMOTOXSTAR]

That draft sucks. Why should I fight for a war that I do not believe in? 
If you do not like my opinion you can do what is right for you & leave me the hell alone.

[69DodgeCharger]

Geez Kim....Tell us how you really feel.

[69CoronetRT]

Its weird...
Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place

Ahh, let me instruct you about the blowhard, insecure, always macho, generally undereducated, American male.  Quick to anger, quick to blame others, quick to do the easy facades of patriotism.  But mostly quick to stand on a soapbox in the safety of their homes and spew platitudes rather than actually perform actions. Oh sure, they'll shed a tear as they clean the revolver that they claim is used to protect their family while it actually is a proxy for the phallus they lack.  Hence their insecurity.  They know they are impotent, their life just didn't amount to much, sure, if they could put down the beer they fancy themselves as somehow improving, but alas, deep inside they know the truth.  And the truth is, forums like this provide the only avenue for them to try to impress people.  Better this than slapping their unfortunate wives, lynching (blaming for those who lack understanding) an innocent minority, or molesting a child (I believe America leads the world in all of these).  Oh, and still supporting from afar a silly war that most Americans have finally realized as one man's folly.  Such is the American male.  Uh oh, I hope this isn't self loathing (it may be but it still was fun to write).  Kim

here in San Francisco

The most telling thing you've written so far......

231 years of others willing to fight and die for your right of free speech...and this is what you do with it?

[Mean 318]

this is stupid and pointless! Please just  this thing!

I'd say that too if I had been called out like you have.

Called out... you told me to go join the army... I am currently going to school as a fire fighter, I have also plan on doing some form of service to my country after I graduate. So hows about you move to Canada or mexico when I join up ass hole! Go piss on to someone else you coward! "called out" Say what you want about me... I am done reading this thread. Have at it big guy!

[pettyfan43]

We need a draft right out of high school and none of this school or work deferment stuff like we had back in Nam.  And I think only Vets should be able to vote.

I don't agree with the voting thing at all, Just because someone has never served does not make them incapable of choosing a leader.
There are also people that for whatever reason, CAN'T serve. Would you exclude them as well?

That is wrong.

[pettyfan43]

Its weird...

Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place -Ooh, and if there isnt enough action in Iraq or Afganistan for you "home front soldiers", why don't you pressure your government to invade Iran as well....

I have done compulsory military service in Finland. Would I go and fight a war thousands of miles away, on the other side of the planet earth for Finland, -NO way! But try to come across the boarder of Finland, in that case Id have no problem joining up and protecting my country...

My

Mainly because I'm nearly 41, I'm diabetic and have high blood pressure, a bad knee and a bad ankle, Not to mention my weight problem stemming from being diabetic and on insulin.

I wish I HAD understood how things were 20 years ago! I wish I HAD understood what the world REALLY was like when I was 20. I probably would have enlisted, but I was lazy shiftless and uninformed. I didn't understand how good the Military could have been good for me. 

Trust me I really do understand this question and that is the best answer I can give, it is also WHY I respect Soldiers that have served and serve in military action, or even serve as a guard at a gate in Georgia. As far as a draft, I SERIOUSLY doubt that is coming anyway.

I will just say as I did before, THANK YOU to all who have served.

[Silver R/T]

Moving to Canada might be an option

coward

Moving to Canada might be an option

coward

let's see your punk ass go to army now. It seems that many of us talk tough but not all of us actually do it. And I'm not going to be the one that fights wars for presidents. I hate politics/politicians (especially the ones that never went to army themselves) and if they make conflicts its absurd to have innocent people fight their wars. Why do they always send the poor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tqL8j-GIBc

[Silver R/T]

mexico sounds like fun also

Yea, I vote you go to Mexico. So when are you leaving?

once charger is restored

[Silver R/T]

You are a douche bag and a coward! Go to Canada and take silver with you!! You can both run away from your duty as an American citizen!

Mean 318
What are you waiting for? sign up now,don't wait for a draft! Talk is cheap.

exactly, report back when you do. You do not realize that thousands of people come U.S. running AWAY from the war, they do not want to fight another one. You do not attack someone else if they do not share your opinion. Just do whatever pleases you, in this case you should go sign up and show us your bravery and heroism.

[70charger_boy]

Its weird...
Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place

Ahh, let me instruct you about the blowhard, insecure, always macho, generally undereducated, American male.  Quick to anger, quick to blame others, quick to do the easy facades of patriotism.  But mostly quick to stand on a soapbox in the safety of their homes and spew platitudes rather than actually perform actions. Oh sure, they'll shed a tear as they clean the revolver that they claim is used to protect their family while it actually is a proxy for the phallus they lack.  Hence their insecurity.  They know they are impotent, their life just didn't amount to much, sure, if they could put down the beer they fancy themselves as somehow improving, but alas, deep inside they know the truth.  And the truth is, forums like this provide the only avenue for them to try to impress people.  Better this than slapping their unfortunate wives, lynching (blaming for those who lack understanding) an innocent minority, or molesting a child (I believe America leads the world in all of these).  Oh, and still supporting from afar a silly war that most Americans have finally realized as one man's folly.  Such is the American male.  Uh oh, I hope this isn't self loathing (it may be but it still was fun to write).  Kim

Kim, you are one hell of a writer!!!  I only wish I could put my thoughts into words like you did.  Are you a writer?

[69bronzeT5]

 

[bull]

Its weird...
Reading this thread, I get an impression that it seems like the most people serving in the Us. Military right now, don't want to go to war.. The ones that speak most about how noble it is to go to war and serve your country, are those who sit at home, in their comfy chair, in front of the computer and writing in internet Forum threads and state that "They would in a heartbeat go to war.." How utterly retarded, well al you home front "soldiers, why don't you join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and replace the men and women who don't even want to be there in the first place

Ahh, let me instruct you about the blowhard, insecure, always macho, generally undereducated, American male.  Quick to anger, quick to blame others, quick to do the easy facades of patriotism.  But mostly quick to stand on a soapbox in the safety of their homes and spew platitudes rather than actually perform actions. Oh sure, they'll shed a tear as they clean the revolver that they claim is used to protect their family while it actually is a proxy for the phallus they lack.  Hence their insecurity.  They know they are impotent, their life just didn't amount to much, sure, if they could put down the beer they fancy themselves as somehow improving, but alas, deep inside they know the truth.  And the truth is, forums like this provide the only avenue for them to try to impress people.  Better this than slapping their unfortunate wives, lynching (blaming for those who lack understanding) an innocent minority, or molesting a child (I believe America leads the world in all of these).  Oh, and still supporting from afar a silly war that most Americans have finally realized as one man's folly.  Such is the American male.  Uh oh, I hope this isn't self loathing (it may be but it still was fun to write).  Kim

If we were all intentionally unemployed like all the liberal/worthless/criminal ilk you so wholeheartedly defend (wife-slappers the child molesters) we'd have plenty of time to go outside our homes, leave our families and do our part (do you have a wife and kids?). But, we choose to take jobs and remain productive members of society, paying craploads of taxes to support the jobless boneheads who are milking this country for all its worth, and that unfortunately doesn't leave much time for anything else but voting or sending letters to our so-called representatives. That's why you don't see clean-cut, well-adjusted, sensible people at protests, they're at work or at home being mom or dad. Instead you only see throngs of stinking hippies holding up signs and wearing masks and throwing bricks through the windows of Starbucks. They don't work so they've got plenty of time to either stand around with misspelled signs begging for money or getting paid to protest anything that opposes communism.

Besides, how is it that you think you're so wise you can judge people as you do? You don't know anything about our lives beyond this forum and I seriously doubt you've actually lowered yourself off your high horse long enough to meet or get to know anyone here, have you? I'd be real surprised. You are the epitome of the arrogant, judgemental fool IMO. Your self-righteous intelligence is the proxy for the phallus you lack. Maybe you should buy a gun and play with it so we don't have to read your off-kilter crap.