hi dollar

[moparstuart]

 
 



 
Muscle Car Reborn...for a mere $176,000
I f you like the idea of tearing up the roads in a classic '70 Dodge Challenger, but prefer to drive cars with a more modern "feel," then XV Motorsports custom car line may be right up your alley.

    The Irvington, NY- based company has created its own XV (Xtreme Velocity) line of "super cars" which are essentially a beefed-up kit-car wrapped in an original muscular MOPAR wrapper.



    While the term "kit-car" may be a little too general for these cars, the company's vision of taking a 60s or 70s muscle car and outfitting it with a new suspension, steering components, brakes and engine — all specifically engineered for the car, using modern racing technology creates a whole new way to upset your checkbook balance—and your spouse — with a single stroke of a pen.

    According to the Web site (www.xvmotorsports.com), each car is custom-made to the owner's specifications and options range from a 6-liter Hemi with 600 horsepower, full-leather interiors, six-speed transmissions, and don't forget, you can have a GPS navigation system installed just in case you get lost while tearing up the roads.



    Price for the XV line runs from $140,000 on up to $250,000 and orders can usually be filled in six to eight months, depending on the rarity of the body style. XV Motorsports' line-up currently includes E-Body Challengers and 'Cudas, and the always popular B-Body Road Runner, Charger, GTX and Super Bee.

    "We wanted to do this the right way with no expenses spared, and not like some average Joe out in his garage with a chopsaw," states company president John Buscema on the company's Web site. "Everyone involved with the development of these cars has some kind of racing background."




[ back...]

[Brock Samson]

kind'a sad they need to try to put down the avarage joe who likes to work on their own cars.. like any number of folks here, any baffon can write a check that don't mean squat in my book...

[moparstuart]

yes sir

[Brock Samson]

  I know, cause i've written several... 

[hemigeno]

Some of the guys from XV Motorsports are members of DC.com, just so you know...

[moparstuart]

well i have to write them to a body man  but try to do the rest my self
i could still build 3-4-5 of those cars for what they want and pay to have my body work done

[Rolling_Thunder]

kind'a sad they need to try to put down the avarage joe who likes to work on their own cars.. like any number of folks here, any baffon can write a check that don't mean squat in my book...

agreed...    but I am sure the comment was to show their superior engineering aspect...   something the average guy does not really research or take into account at times. I do agree the comment can be taken offensively...     but I'm sure that was not the intention....     

[TUFCAT]

If you can build a better performing car from a 35+ year old sheet of paper for less money....do it.  Before you kids get your panties wadded up and twisted out of shape - - I'd buy one..... (if I could afford it) there's absolutely no question about it.  For the money, your getting the best of both worlds. These cars are extreme pieces of modern engineering with all the comforts and reliability of a new car. In fact, come to think of it.........I would probably drive mine on daily basis 

[nascarxx29]

My friend I was talking to lastnight has a 69 daytona matching number 4 speed hes owned since 1978.That he might let go for near the same price.

[Brock Samson]

what kinda of charger could you build for $140,000.oo to $250,000.oo?..      lettuce see?.. my budget was 14,000.oo in '84, by now i got approx. $ 32,K in and i been running it damn near every day justabout for 25 years...   

[pettybird]

If you can build a better performing car from a 35+ year old sheet of paper for less money....do it.  Before you kids get your panties wadded up and twisted out of shape - - I'd buy one..... (if I could afford it) there's absolutely no question about it.  For the money, your getting the best of both worlds. These cars are extreme pieces of modern engineering with all the comforts and reliability of a new car. In fact, come to think of it.........I would probably drive mine on daily basis 

$40K buy a new shelby GT500

$140-210K remaining:  buy anything.


that's the best of both worlds, plus one garage space, and a 3/36 warranty on the 500hp daily.  pishposh if you don't like the blue oval...it's a kick ass car.

i doubt anyone dropping better than 200 large on one of those things is gonna drive it 'daily'



that said, it's in the 'if you have to ask' column of very fine craftsmanship.  i'm sure a foose or coddington ride costs a few multiples of what they're charging...  they'll find more than a few buyers looking for something different, unique, and expensive.

[NYCMille]

what kinda of charger could you build for $140,000.oo to $250,000.oo?..      lettuce see?.. my budget was 14,000.oo in '84, by now i got approx. $ 32,K in and i been running it damn near every day justabout for 25 years...   

I understand your thinking here but did you build your car for performance or cruising? Also, thats 14,000 in 1984 dollars not 2007 dollars. By performance I mean pulling .90 or higher on a skidpad, stopping a 4000lb. car in 110 feet while at the same time having the handling of a modern day sportscar with reliability? All those things cost money... BIG money. I can safely say I probably have one of the best handling 2nd gen Charger's on the road today and believe me, it was not cheap to achieve this.

I am not saying to go out and buy an XV car, but what I am saying is that performance is not cheap - you want to play, you have to pay.

[suntech]

Hi guys! I love the consept the XV guys has come up with, and just the development of those parts cost money!!
I can not afford to buy a car ready from them, and i have no desire for that either. I want to build the car myself, but i am going to use a lot of XV parts, simplly because i think they are the best parts around. My 68 will have their level 2 front suspention, chassis stiffening kit and brakes. Will build my own 4 link / wattslink rearend setup, with their rear shocks and swaybar.
Ok, this together with a world aluminum hemi, with EFI, hooked up to a 6 speed T 56, will be expansive, but this is what i want, and i can buy the parts little by little, when i can afford it.
In that way i can build myself a 200 K supercar, for maybe half of that money, do all the labor myself, and have a nice hobby next 5 years!! That is my way of seeing it!!

[Brock Samson]

i built my car as my limited finances would allow,.. as a stop light bandit modeled on Dick Landy's Super Stock car i have in an old Magazine...
I didn't know squat when i started though I thought i did and learned the hard way...  Must be nice to be rich, but i'm willing to bet ya' you dont enjoy your ride any more than I do mine.   

[TUFCAT]

I agree with Mike. To have an XV type car for a cheaper price...you'd have to build it yourself using the parts they've engineered. Labor (and the donor car) is the majority of the cost, so if you can do the labor -- -and already have the car,  you'll save the money!!! Its that simple.

Unfortunately, I'm not skilled, nor do I have the facility, time., or patience, so I would have no other option other than to pony up the dough..... If I had it     

[keepat]

If you can build a better performing car from a 35+ year old sheet of paper for less money....do it.  Before you kids get your panties wadded up and twisted out of shape - - I'd buy one..... (if I could afford it) there's absolutely no question about it.  For the money, your getting the best of both worlds. These cars are extreme pieces of modern engineering with all the comforts and reliability of a new car. In fact, come to think of it.........I would probably drive mine on daily basis 

$40K buy a new shelby GT500

$140-210K remaining:  buy anything.


that's the best of both worlds, plus one garage space, and a 3/36 warranty on the 500hp daily.  pishposh if you don't like the blue oval...it's a kick ass car.

i doubt anyone dropping better than 200 large on one of those things is gonna drive it 'daily'



that said, it's in the 'if you have to ask' column of very fine craftsmanship.  i'm sure a foose or coddington ride costs a few multiples of what they're charging...  they'll find more than a few buyers looking for something different, unique, and expensive.

For under 50k the Shelby GT 500 is one bad ass car for the $$  Maybe this time next year Dodge will have an awesome car with the new Challenger?? I hope so!

[suntech]

I am living in Norway, and that 50 K shelby in US, would be at least 100 K, before it has norwegian lisence pates on. 25%salestax, horsepower tax, engine volume tax, weight tax etc. The list is endless!! A vintage car does not have any tax, other than salestax, so there are not many new Shelby´s here
So the way i see it, !00 K in a 68 Charger, buildt like i want it, or !00 K in a new Shelby, is a very easy choise for me.  I will enjoy the prosess of building it, and not just buyin it.

[70charger_boy]

I like the XV cars, but if you want front end performance I would go with Ron Jenkins and Magnumforce

[ds440]

...different strokes for different folks....

It's what keeps the hobby interesting.

Personally, I would love nothing more than to hand my car over to a company like McLaren and say, "have at it boys."  But for some reason I doubt they'd be interested.  (can you imagine a McLaren '68 Charger  )

For me I simply don't have the ability/skill/talent/knowledge that 99% of the people on this board have.  And I've been messing with cars, in one way or another, for most of my life.  I love turning wrenches.  I've just never found that 'mentor' to take me under his wing and show me how to do things correctly.  So I'm okay with standing back and allowing professionals to do things properly.

But, like most, XV's equipment is a bit of out of my price range.  I wonder if they'd adopt me?  I don't eat much.

...if only there was a job or service I could provide them in exchange.....

[70charger_boy]

...different strokes for different folks....

It's what keeps the hobby interesting.

Personally, I would love nothing more than to hand my car over to a company like McLaren and say, "have at it boys."  But for some reason I doubt they'd be interested.  (can you imagine a McLaren '68 Charger  )

For me I simply don't have the ability/skill/talent/knowledge that 99% of the people on this board have.  And I've been messing with cars, in one way or another, for most of my life.  I love turning wrenches.  I've just never found that 'mentor' to take me under his wing and show me how to do things correctly.  So I'm okay with standing back and allowing professionals to do things properly.

But, like most, XV's equipment is a bit of out of my price range.  I wonder if they'd adopt me?  I don't eat much.

...if only there was a job or service I could provide them in exchange.....

  dude, your photoshop skills are priceless.  They probably would take you on as a designer

[Brock Samson]

...different strokes for different folks....

It's what keeps the hobby interesting.

Personally, I would love nothing more than to hand my car over to a company like McLaren and say, "have at it boys."  But for some reason I doubt they'd be interested.  (can you imagine a McLaren '68 Charger  )

For me I simply don't have the ability/skill/talent/knowledge that 99% of the people on this board have.  And I've been messing with cars, in one way or another, for most of my life.  I love turning wrenches.  I've just never found that 'mentor' to take me under his wing and show me how to do things correctly.  So I'm okay with standing back and allowing professionals to do things properly.

But, like most, XV's equipment is a bit of out of my price range.  I wonder if they'd adopt me?  I don't eat much.

...if only there was a job or service I could provide them in exchange.....

                                                                 

  dude, your photoshop skills are priceless.  They probably would take you on as a designer

                           

[dkn1997]

$40K buy a new shelby GT500

$140-210K remaining:  buy anything.


that's the best of both worlds, plus one garage space, and a 3/36 warranty on the 500hp daily.  pishposh if you don't like the blue oval...it's a kick ass car.

i doubt anyone dropping better than 200 large on one of those things is gonna drive it 'daily'



that said, it's in the 'if you have to ask' column of very fine craftsmanship.  i'm sure a foose or coddington ride costs a few multiples of what they're charging...  they'll find more than a few buyers looking for something different, unique, and expensive.

agree or don't agree with the man, but he's the only one here with balls enough to use the word pishposh

[NYCMille]

Brock.. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't take my comments as anything in the way of negativity. I've been a member here for a long time and ALWAYS value your posts - and as for being rich... LOL! Dude, I live in a Queens in an apartment and drive a 4-cylinder Accord as a daily driver... hardly makes me full of the green stuff.

I think it comes down to what you want your car to do. My car is nothing compared to some of the cars on this list in a straight line, but in the corners, well, that's a different story. Also, as for parts, the biggest challenge I had with my ride was making reliable - as I learned the hard way as well. I am no mechanic by any means, but I do know when stuff is working properly.

I think XV offers a complete package for people who have the means to afford it - I however am not one of those people.

[69bronzeT5]

I agree with what Mike's saying. The biggest chance that Im gonna face with my 69 is making it reliable. And like Mike said "I am no mechanic by any means, but I do know when stuff is working properly."...same thing goes for me....theres no way that Im a mechanic but like him, I do know when stuff is or isnt working properly. Anyways, Im out...Im going outside to start taking apart the Charger...to get it ready for the body shop.

[Silver R/T]

there's probably better cars for that price range

[70charger_boy]

Isn't the whole purpose of this hobby to buy the car and work on it and use this forum to guide you through the stuff you don't know---

[firefighter3931]

I can safely say I probably have one of the best handling 2nd gen Charger's on the road today and believe me, it was not cheap to achieve this.

I am not saying to go out and buy an XV car, but what I am saying is that performance is not cheap - you want to play, you have to pay.

I agree Mike....your car does handle very well based on the Bull Run challenges. 

Out of curiosity ; Just how much XV chassis stuff is on your car ? 



Ron

[dkn1997]

Isn't the whole purpose of this hobby to buy the car and work on it and use this forum to guide you through the stuff you don't know---

The purpose is to enjoy the cars and share our interests with each other.   We all enjoy them in different ways. 

[NYCMille]

firefighter3931 - the only XV stuff that is on my car are the subframe connectors, inner fender well braces and rad support. Less than $500 total - unforutnately though I am STILL waiting for under hood brace... I ordered it last SEPTEMBER!!

[firefighter3931]

firefighter3931 - the only XV stuff that is on my car are the subframe connectors, inner fender well braces and rad support. Less than $500 total - unforutnately though I am STILL waiting for under hood brace... I ordered it last SEPTEMBER!!

Thanks for the Info Mike 

This goes to show that the stock suspension on a B-body is pretty descent. With a few $$ and tweaks placed in the right areas the car is a very competent track machine. I allways enjoyed reading about E-Bergs Green Brick adventures....there wasn't anything exotic on that car either yet it embarressed a lot of high end Foreign cars on the twisties.....Mike's car did the same thing on Bull Run. 




Ron

[NYCMille]

Actually this Tues. I'm doing a track event up at Pocono Raceway with the Charger. We're going to be running the East Course all day which is a VERY tight course for a car as big as the Charger, so I should have some good pics and video by Wed. Once again we'll be one if not the ONLY musclecar running against some BIG dollar ($300k+) machines...

Screw it though... I love being the underdog.. 

[BrianShaughnessy]

Actually this Tues. I'm doing a track event up at Pocono Raceway with the Charger. We're going to be running the East Course all day which is a VERY tight course for a car as big as the Charger, so I should have some good pics and video by Wed. Once again we'll be one if not the ONLY musclecar running against some BIG dollar ($300k+) machines...

Screw it though... I love being the underdog.. 

Swwweeet!      Are you doing the XV /  Pocono event in Oct. also?

[Brock Samson]

i didn't take offence Mr Angry...    i just question if one really needs to write checks totalling 125 K to infinity to enjoy the hobby,.. or have a decent handling/performing car.
I take/took great pleasure in using as many of the junkyard parts and stuff out of the old direct connection catalog as possible to build my machine, the closer to stock the better, not to say the critical stuff isn't massaged. but allot of the yr one/paddock repro stuff i didn't even use cause it looked and felt like crap... the arm rests for example... and the front thick sway bar was noway even close to fitting...
  Like the rat rod project thing,.. i don't see how anyone could get any satisfaction from buying a done car... what's the point in that?..  when i started i had no desire to buy a done car I wanted to build it myself my way.
  I have no room in my garage to work on anything but in the engine compartment, the entire freakin city is at a 30 degree incline, everytime i need to jack the car up or change a tire or even check fluids i got to take her to a shop, and you know I'm getting charged for that... I so envy guys who have garages with a flat floor and more than eight inches to squeeze around their rides... let alone the tools and expertise and friends who can help, I'm pretty much a one man operation who does what little I can.
When i built, and rebuilt the skunk there was no internet, i had to physically hunt down parts in junk yards and go to/find folks who were rumored to have stuff I could use.
  like they say... the experience of meeting folks and learning, even if the hard way is priceless.
 
 

[Mike DC]

I see a few reasons to side with XV Motorsports in this. 

1.  XVM pursued the development of the car to a level that nobody else had yet done.  The higher you develop something, the more the costs tend to begin increasing exponentially rather than just multiplying.

2.  XVM sells all the important parts for anyone to retrofit at home.  I think that move says a lot about whether they're really trying to "shut out the little guy" and just run off the exclusivity of the thing or not.  (Sure, the individual parts are expensive too.  But at that level most small-market car parts REALLY ARE expensive to design & produce.  I'll bet the profit margins on the sold components aren't very high.)

3.  They did it with Mopars first.  Not only is that a little "yeehaa!" for the brand loyalty, but more importantly I see it as unassailable evidence that they didn't just cram '69 Camaro engineering onto B/E-bodies.  That's what you're getting from most other places, and particularly with anything this high-dollar. 

 

[suntech]

Completly agree with Mike here!
They give us that want to build our own cars, the possibillity to use their parts. Nobody can denie that we are talking about substantial amounts of money here, but as said above, we are talking about a lot of development, for a very limited number of parts! That is the whole reason for the pricetags.

Rolf

[pettybird]

$40K buy a new shelby GT500

$140-210K remaining:  buy anything.


that's the best of both worlds, plus one garage space, and a 3/36 warranty on the 500hp daily.  pishposh if you don't like the blue oval...it's a kick ass car.

i doubt anyone dropping better than 200 large on one of those things is gonna drive it 'daily'



that said, it's in the 'if you have to ask' column of very fine craftsmanship.  i'm sure a foose or coddington ride costs a few multiples of what they're charging...  they'll find more than a few buyers looking for something different, unique, and expensive.

agree or don't agree with the man, but he's the only one here with balls enough to use the word pishposh

I do pretty much kick ass.

[autodynamics]

well like it or not xv does add value to all our cars. As far as there products are concerned some products they offer i like and others i dont. I think that at least there is a company attempting to change the mopar family, cause we all know mopar guys are REAL hell bent on keeping things "stock". I'm glad to see that. I know from my personal experience that The mopar world really isnt too friendly when it comes to modifying these old cars.So  lets give a hand to xv for the attempt and not condemn them for their effort. Agreed i think a 140-250k price range is kinda crazy however i can totally see a real radical build go for 150k. When your talking premier body work, engine, suspension, wheels tires  and so on the parts alone get up there rather quickly. Then make a profit on your "TIME"well then i can see the price tag reflect it. I would rather see xv try to make a turn key base car for under 100k and a super mopar at 150k. i think these numbers are more reasonable. I just look at resale. if i bought a xv car for 200k what would it be worth in 10 years? more than 200k? i doubt it. But a more reasonable amount around 100k is feasible. mopars hit 100k now stock. I would also have to see in 10 years if xv would still be around to add value to their product. After market shops like Saleen have been doing this for years and there cars are collectable and affordable. 200k+ too much i would rather buy a lambo and atleast get some return on my 200k in the future.....However it would never be a charger!

[suntech]

.....However it would never be a charger!


Exactly!!!!!

[moparstuart]

ditto

[Brock Samson]

   well perhaps there's a divide between folks who can throw money at their cars and pay the experts and other folks who have to strictly budget and do as much themselves as possible?.. I'd rather have my frankenstein monster then some trailor queen.

an 'ol backyard resto and proud of her. 

[kab69440]

  well perhaps there's a divide between folks who can throw money at their cars and pay the experts and other folks who have to strictly budget and do as much themselves as possible?.. I'd rather have my frankenstein monster then some trailor queen.

an 'ol backyard resto and proud of her. 

Frankenstein monster? Ha! You don't have a clue what building a true Frankenstein car is... By comparison, your car is a paint splotch and date code resto. You numbers freak, you!

... cause we all know mopar guys are REAL hell bent on keeping things "stock". I'm glad to see that. I know from my personal experience that The mopar world really isnt too friendly when it comes to modifying these old cars.

Not all us, my friend. Not all of us!...

[moparstuart]

brock awesome shot of the charger and the gate & bay

[Brock Samson]

  why thank you, kind sir,..

i backed ass end in accross two handicapped spaces and blocked access to the info. signs,.. and by the look on the P.C. tourist's faces  in attendance ya' would'a thought i had just unlocked the gates to Hell...   

here's another from that series..