getting tired of the term "survivor"

[runninhorn]

seems like every old car I see that isnt a rust bucket is deemed a survivor, term is getting old and over-used in my opinion. Discuss.

[Brock Samson]

 in my Opinion:

could be anycar not substancialy changed with after market or replacment parts, strickly stock not repainted... IMO..
i do belive my RR qualifies with just new shocks and tires, piepan and trunk matt... But i'm sure "someone" would (try to) rain on my parade... God knows ya' allways do.. 

[TruckDriver]

HALPG has perfect examples of "survivors"

















From the crusher that is

[runninhorn]

halpg can licka my balls

[Steve P.]

I would say it is anything that has survived the odds period.

Old School, man...   

[70charger_boy]

Well, I like the word Survivor.  It was the name of a rock group in the 80's remember eye of the tiger?  Anyway, my 75 trans am is a survivor.  Original paint original interior matching numbers motor, tranny and rear.  No rebuilds.  Car is a 6 out of 10, IMO. 

Basically, what I am saying is that, a survivor is a car that looks real good for it's age without a restoration.  That includes a non rebuilt motor and original paint.

[69 OUR/TEA]

I'll go with Brock on this one,it should have orig paint and be stock other than having the normal wear and tear items fixed or replaced. BUT !!!!.... in my eyes,the cars that are being displayed as a survivor should be nice orig paint,NOT faded,dings,dents ,scratches,grungy and grimey engine compartments,etc. How many so-called survivors with faded paint ,rust or rot bubbles  being dubbed as.It's to late ,I'm sorry to tell you just restore it now.When I see one of those examples ,near mint,what are being called survivors,I think of it more as a time capsule amongst anything,because of its obvious preservation.As far as being a survivor,IMO,all of our cars which are nearing 40 years old,if they're still  here,they're all SURVIVORS !!!!!
   On another note,my 24 k orig mile 68 coronet 440 at only 13k miles had a dirty eng comp,paint peeling off the motor,faded chrome on the bumpers,chips, scratches,some dings,and burn thru spots from where the previous owner tried buffing the piss thin orig acrylic enamel.My taste is more for nicely painted and detailed eng compartments,suspensions,and nice straight bodys with sanded and buffed deep looking urethane paint jobs,so apart it went to do such as.I posted a pic of a survivor 71 hemi chally w/15 k orig miles,this thing was like a time capsule,and even though it has the orange peely acrylic enamel,it was mint !!!,so with everyone throwing around survivor,that takes away from his parade per say.Geuss you know my answer to this topic of "getting tired of the term survivor" !!!
         Also gotta love those 1 of  7 made,or 1 of 5 made, 1 of 2.....  There were 1920 superbirds produced,if you have one ,you have 1 of 1920. 2724 AAR's if you have one, you have 1 of 2724,etc. One of the reasons I dropped my sub to MCG,tired of reading that on the cover every month,along with feeding the fire about the values of these cars.

[Ghoste]

I do like looking at the survivor cars at the bigger shows and to be honest, I also like the term just because those creepy Vette freaks think no one else should be allowed to use it.

[Challenger340]

Yeah, I dunno what "survivor" means anymore.
Somebody called mine a "survivor" recently.
I call it a freak'in WRECK !
Even though much is still "looking good", from 50 ft., by the time I make it better, I'd have to replace everything anyways !

[runninhorn]

i just think it's overused, I guess in all the cars I look at, i see it used all the time.

[70charger_boy]

I think one of the most overused terms is RT or RT/SE, followed by Ground up restoration, then survivor

[hemi-hampton]

I dont like when a cars been repainted &/or totally restored & then they still try to call it a Survivor because been repainted 10 times but original color, or #'s dont match but still a survivor because it's a 440 , who cares if out of a Station Wagon & the chrome mags dont count. LEON.

[70charger_boy]

I dont like when a cars been repainted &/or totally restored & then they still try to call it a Survivor because been repainted 10 times but original color, or #'s dont match but still a survivor because it's a 440 , who cares if out of a Station Wagon & the chrome mags dont count. LEON.

  I ran across an ad on craigslist for a "Survivor" car.  The guy wanted way too much money.  I was curious and went to see it.  The paint looked good, but I knew it was a repaint.  I asked him if he had it painted.  He said this is the original paint.  Car was in a garage for 20 years.  Well, when I opened the drivers door I noticed overspray on the weatherstrip.  I told him that I didn't think the overspray came from the factory

[JMF]

Hahahaha "Creepy vette freaks", what's that about Ghoste?

[hemihead]

Lots of terms are thrown around like restored . Didn't know the factory put Centerlines, 50 Series tires, Holley Double Pumper,MP Valve Covers,and a huge cam in them.Most people don't even know why they put certain parts on a car other that the fact that everyone else has them .  Rare, well by the number that you see on the internet , they aren't that rare. Musclecar, love this term. Seems everything, with any engine, on any model made between 64 and 74 is a musclecar. Didn't know that slant sixes and 318 cars were performance cars. Bet Ma Mopar didn't know that when they built them either.I think the use of these terms have more to do with trying to sell a car than anything else. Or maybe an ego thing with the owner.

[Mike DC]

 
If you listen to younger kids who dig modern cars & imports, just about any RWD american car that's old enough to have chrome bumpers is liable to be called a "musclecar." 

Seriously, they'll use that term referring to an 80's Caprice Classic.

 

[Brock Samson]

   it's true, anything with a v-8 and real wheel drive is gonna be called that by kids that drive rice. 302 75 Nova? sure it's a muscle car...
but as far as the term "survivor" is concerned it means many things to many people just like original, "sure it's "original" the original block is in the garage, or in my other car"... 

[Ghoste]

Hahahaha "Creepy vette freaks", what's that about Ghoste?

It's an inside joke with myself and a couple of others.  The part about bugging them over the use of the survivor tag is true though.

[68charger383]

I would say survivor is anything you buy off a grandma whose to old to drive it anymore.

[chargerjy9]

I like the term Survivor, my 73 has only 8200 miles on it. factory installed everything , except mufflers, water pump, battery and heater control valve. it has new wiperblades, new tires and belts. the originals are off the car and stored away. orig paint, even the floormats are a factory option. In my mind, the term fits, although, admittedly  the only thing my Charger really survived was 30 years sitting indoors.

[69 OUR/TEA]

I like the term Survivor, my 73 has only 8200 miles on it. factory installed everything , except mufflers, water pump, battery and heater control valve. it has new wiperblades, new tires and belts. the originals are off the car and stored away. orig paint, even the floormats are a factory option. In my mind, the term fits, although, admittedly  the only thing my Charger really survived was 30 years sitting indoors.

  need pics........ judging by your name,it's JY9.I restored a 73 duster for someone JY9,nice color!!!

[RallyeMike]

All of my rides are "Survivors" compared to the the hundreds of thousands that have been crushed.

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How do you feel now?

[70charger_boy]

All of my rides are "Survivors" compared to the the hundreds of thousands that have been crushed.

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How do you feel now?

How long did it take you to type that 

[runninhorn]

All of my rides are "Survivors" compared to the the hundreds of thousands that have been crushed.

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How do you feel now?

like i did 2 secs ago.

[pettybird]

my  'birds aren't pretty, but they look battered enough that people ask all the time if they're survivors.

i was on power tour and had heard the question one too many times.  guy asked me if it was a survivor, and i replied "nope--I'm afraid this one didn't make it."





not surprisingly, he didn't get it.

[bull]

It's not the words or terms that cause the problems it's the misuse of them and the incorrect meaning assigned to them by less than honest people trying to make more money off people than they deserve. I know I'll never read the words "easy father/son project" again without a red flag going up.

[70charger_boy]

It's not the words or terms that cause the problems it's the misuse of them and the incorrect meaning assigned to them by less than honest people trying to make more money off people than they deserve. I know I'll never read the words "easy father/son project" again without a red flag going up.

, but I actually think it's good when a dishonest person uses the term.  I have been looking at cars on ebay for at least 4 years and when I hear certain words my red flag comes up.  When you read the whole ad and it contains words like father and son project, has great potential, survivor, one re paint 10 years ago, restoration I just walk away.  A person who is honest, like myself, will list the good with the bad. 

[Chris G.]

I like the term Survivor, my 73 has only 8200 miles on it. factory installed everything , except mufflers, water pump, battery and heater control valve. it has new wiperblades, new tires and belts. the originals are off the car and stored away. orig paint, even the floormats are a factory option. In my mind, the term fits, although, admittedly  the only thing my Charger really survived was 30 years sitting indoors.

I would also love to see some good pics of that car. Can you post a few? 

[RallyeMike]

How long did it take you to type that 

Not long. Cut and paste + the power of doubling growth.




People latch onto any phrase that they think will help increase the sales value of the car.

Survivor, numbers matching, original, 1 of X, rare, .....etc.    You arent going to find these terms as they relate to cars in the dictionary, so they are mostly subjective. 

[rav440]

HALPG has perfect examples of "survivors"

what is HALPG ?
















From the crusher that is

[Old Moparz]

I'm tired of the term as well, but it doesn't really bug me as much as a misleading ad from someone who's intentionally out to screw the buyer. If 25 people show interest in a "survivor" that's been advertised, maybe 20 of them will figure out it's just another old car that's been done over. The other 5 might be naive enough to fall for the marketing the seller used, & that's what he's hoping for. Maybe one of the 5 has the cash & is excited enough over the hype to actually buy it.

I guess the term "survivor" is a newer & safer word to use since most people have figured out that "original" is too defining. There's less of a chance that the seller will look like a moron & be called out on it.

[dkn1997]

HLPAG sells good cars......for me to poop on!

[bull]

Ronald Reagan was fond of the term "trust but verify" in dealing with the Russians and that logic works well when making any big purchase. A seller can use all the fancy words they want and post more pictures than you can stand to look at but until you see the car in person there's no real way to verify their claims.

[1972Rallye]

Now THIS is a survivor...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1972-DODGE-CHARGER-RALLYE-S-MATCH-440-34K-MILES_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQihZ012QQitemZ220145024191QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[chargerjy9]

I think I have some images here of my  "survivor" as discussed previously

[Dodge Don]

I agree the term is being used far too freely these days. Same as "restoration"....most actually aren't restored but cosmetic or mechanical upkeep efforts.

I think a "Survivor" should be a immaculate unmolested car that can be used as a reference for factory correct restorations.

[hemi68charger]

Now THIS is a survivor...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1972-DODGE-CHARGER-RALLYE-S-MATCH-440-34K-MILES_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQihZ012QQitemZ220145024191QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

No doubt !!!!!

I like the term as differentiation between other cars.. In its truest sense, it does has a place in the hobby.. Having owned one, I can appreciate the meaning and the effort in keeping it as such. But, unfortunately, not all use the word as it should.

Troy

[Dennis]

I'm sick of it too.  Rare is usually crap too.

[Nacho-RT74]

I think I have some images here of my  "survivor" as discussed previously

HEEEY, I REMEMBER THIS CAR FROM EBAY ABOUT 3-4 YEARS AGO!!! I saved the engine bay pics for reference. As far I recall was something like just 7K miles on it, or less!!!

what I didn't know is what it had tail "machine gun" tips... SE 400 with those ? not common !!!

[chargerjy9]

I have owned this car since July 03. If it was on Ebay, it was before that.  When I bought it, it had 2,765 miles on it. I didnt realize that those exhaust tips were rare for a SE 400 car, I had a new one in 1973 with the same set up

[Nacho-RT74]

yeah... less than 3K miles... I had forgott exactly the miles on it, but know was REALLY low.

Exhaust tips are part of equipment on auto 340 and 440 Rallyes.

[GreenMachine]

   How about this Un-Restored car.

[remta1]

my  'birds aren't pretty, but they look battered enough that people ask all the time if they're survivors.

i was on power tour and had heard the question one too many times.  guy asked me if it was a survivor, and i replied "nope--I'm afraid this one didn't make it."





not surprisingly, he didn't get it.

[Todd Wilson]

I prefer to call them "original"


Todd

[nakita7]

I say we vote the term off the island...

[Doright]

my  'birds aren't pretty, but they look battered enough that people ask all the time if they're survivors.

i was on power tour and had heard the question one too many times.  guy asked me if it was a survivor, and i replied "nope--I'm afraid this one didn't make it."





not surprisingly, he didn't get it.

ThatsFunny!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO