Daytona Question!

[2fast4u]

  Of all the `69 Daytonas built, what is the rarest one built?  Like has the most options and/or the least number built?   

2fast

[daytonalo]

Probably that Black Hemi car ! For sure worth the most

[69_500]

Technically if you break down any of the Daytona's most of them are a 1 of 5 or less. There aren't that many that have exactly all of the same options. The black HEMI 4 speed car that was at the nationals is a great car, but other than for stripe color there is an identical on elsewhere. Its not the only HEMI black 4 speed Daytona, but it is the only one with a red stripe that I know of. The other one has a white stripe, unsure on actual origional stripe color.
There is a F8 green HEMI Daytona that is fairly well loaded as well, that used to be owned by Dave Jones back in the 80's. There is also a Daytona in the northeast that is very well loaded down with options, including cruise control.

So there are some cars with multiple options out there.

[nascarxx29]

Another loaded out optioned daytona I can think of is a friends car is a 440 car and has the most options on it.I had to see its buildsheet to believe it .Its on the daytona ship list.As I recall a executives car .Or something like that

[wingcar builder]

without a Doubt!!

[3--Daytona]

Hey!!! c-500,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Where does my black car fit into this picture??
Me and Jerry missed you in Wi,,,   Are you going to make StLouis >
   3-daytona

[69_500]

Yeah I'll make it to St. Louis for sure. I'm already packed and ready for that show.

As far as how your black car fits in to the discussion of rare. Well it is the only Black with red interior, red tail stripe 440 4 speed Daytona that I know of. I believe that there is another one that is an AT though.

[nascarxx29]

I know of a Black on red daytona On the east coast.Have to see what I recorded for the transmission

[2fast4u]

  This is very interesting so far guys thanks for the info so far.......

[70charger_boy]

I've heard that there was only 1 440 4speed built with white interior

[70charger_boy]

Probably that Black Hemi car ! For sure worth the most

Is that the Arruza built hemi with 16 spark plugs and siamese distributors?

[69_500]

There is definately more than 1 440 car that is a 4 speed with white interior. Depending on what color exterior your talking about that is, but I can think of a handful of Red 4 speed cars with white interior. One being a 4 speed car with a buddy seat.

And no the black car does not have an Arruza built HEMI, as it retains its origional HEMI in it.

[hemigeno]

I've heard that there was only 1 440 4speed built with white interior

I can think of four white interior 4-speed cars off the top of my head, and I could come up with way more than that if I "cheat" and look at my spreadsheet.  White interiors are not necessarily that rare, so I wonder why someone would have made that statement - unless they were trying to sell a 440 4-speed white interior car and wanted to make it seem a little more rare??   

[69_500]

Hey Gene how about an F6 green 440 4 speed car with white interior? I can't think of more than 1 of those.


I think if you break it down by color, and interior, and stripe color, just about every 4 speed car would be a 1 of 1 or at the most a 1 of 5 car right? I mean I can think of 4 cars almost identical to Jim's red car, but not that many that fit all the parameters.

[hemigeno]

Hey Gene how about an F6 green 440 4 speed car with white interior? I can't think of more than 1 of those.


I think if you break it down by color, and interior, and stripe color, just about every 4 speed car would be a 1 of 1 or at the most a 1 of 5 car right? I mean I can think of 4 cars almost identical to Jim's red car, but not that many that fit all the parameters.

Didn't Larry Bell own a white interior F6 green 4-speed car at one time?

You're probably right about there being some combination of options that make a lot of these cars unique.  As I get more and more Fender Tag codes plugged into this spreadsheet, I'm seeing quite a few patterns emerge.  They did seem to build a lot of cars in bunches with similar option packages.  Sorta like "We think this will sell OK".  Probably a Chrysler thing, but then again if the Dealerships had the same idea it could have been that Chrysler just grouped the cars together that happened to have been ordered with similar packages.  We're talking about 6-8 cars with sequential or very close VINs.  It'll be neat to see what other things can be explained as more and more of the blanks are filled in.

My particular car is probably more unique for NOT having as many options as a lot of other cars.  About the only optional extra-cost items above the Daytona standard equipment list ordered on my car were Road Wheels ($86.15), AM Radio ($61.55), Console ($54.45), and - for whatever reason - a tinted windshield ($25.90).  I guess you could say that the 4-speed option added $142.85, since that was the MSRP to add the mandatory A33 TrackPak with the "free" A833 transmission option...    That's about as stripped down as you'll find, although since a lot of cars are missing their original broadcast sheets we'll never be able to say which car has the most or least amount of options.

[70charger_boy]

The Daytona 440 4 speed with white interior I'm talking about is orange.  Maybe EV-2?

[nascarxx29]

One of those F6 4 speed white interior daytonas .Might be the old Larry Bell / Mason Dixon

[70charger_boy]

Here is the link for the white interior car that sold a way back at auction
http://www.kruse.com/results/detail.asp?AUC_CODE=LVSPR99&CONSIGN=489&YEAR_BEGIN=1969&YEAR_END=&MAKE=DODGE&MODEL=daytona&SEARCH_NAME=DODGE&RESULTS=1&PAGE=1

[69_500]

Like most auctions, they are a bit off on their stats. Most of those places advertise the car the way that the seller has it written down.

There is a V2 orange 4 speed car with white interior, that I know of that has a buddy seat, not a console. I don't think its the same car.

[pettybird]

One of those F6 4 speed white interior daytonas .Might be the old Larry Bell / Mason Dixon

it's in cleveland now, has been for 8? years

[hemigeno]

Here is the link for the white interior car that sold a way back at auction

Yep, exactly what I thought earlier:

I wonder why someone would have made that statement - unless they were trying to sell a 440 4-speed white interior car and wanted to make it seem a little more rare??

Sales pitch, preying on the uninformed...   

[PocketThunder]

Hey Gene how about an F6 green 440 4 speed car with white interior? I can't think of more than 1 of those.


I think if you break it down by color, and interior, and stripe color, just about every 4 speed car would be a 1 of 1 or at the most a 1 of 5 car right? I mean I can think of 4 cars almost identical to Jim's red car, but not that many that fit all the parameters.

Didn't Larry Bell own a white interior F6 green 4-speed car at one time?

You're probably right about there being some combination of options that make a lot of these cars unique.  As I get more and more Fender Tag codes plugged into this spreadsheet, I'm seeing quite a few patterns emerge.  They did seem to build a lot of cars in bunches with similar option packages.  Sorta like "We think this will sell OK".  Probably a Chrysler thing, but then again if the Dealerships had the same idea it could have been that Chrysler just grouped the cars together that happened to have been ordered with similar packages.  We're talking about 6-8 cars with sequential or very close VINs.  It'll be neat to see what other things can be explained as more and more of the blanks are filled in.

My particular car is probably more unique for NOT having as many options as a lot of other cars.  About the only optional extra-cost items above the Daytona standard equipment list ordered on my car were Road Wheels ($86.15), AM Radio ($61.55), Console ($54.45), and - for whatever reason - a tinted windshield ($25.90).  I guess you could say that the 4-speed option added $142.85, since that was the MSRP to add the mandatory A33 TrackPak with the "free" A833 transmission option...    That's about as stripped down as you'll find, although since a lot of cars are missing their original broadcast sheets we'll never be able to say which car has the most or least amount of options.

Gene does your car have the tich toch tach?  or was that option standard on Daytonas?

[hemigeno]

Gene does your car have the tich toch tach?  or was that option standard on Daytonas?

Nope, no N85 Tach coded on my car - wish it were    .  It wasn't a mandatory option, although a quick look at what information I have shows that about 1/2 of the cars came with the Tach.

[70charger_boy]

Sales pitch, preying on the uninformed...   

Thank god we have you to educate us uninformed people.  Now, if only these money grubber sellers would get informed it would save us the agravation of doing alot of homework

[hemigeno]

Thank god we have you to educate us uninformed people.  Now, if only these money grubber sellers would get informed it would save us the agravation of doing alot of homework

Resources like this board and sites like Aerowarriors.com have done more for the collective pool of knowledge about Wing Cars than anything else, in my book anyway.  The respective club newsletters are great too, but that search button at the top of this page is just such a handy little critter!

Oh, and I sure hope you weren't intimating that I'm the ultimate source of information on Daytonas - as that's certainly not the case...

[70charger_boy]

Thank god we have you to educate us uninformed people.  Now, if only these money grubber sellers would get informed it would save us the agravation of doing alot of homework

Resources like this board and sites like Aerowarriors.com have done more for the collective pool of knowledge about Wing Cars than anything else, in my book anyway.  The respective club newsletters are great too, but that search button at the top of this page is just such a handy little critter!

Oh, and I sure hope you weren't intimating that I'm the ultimate source of information on Daytonas - as that's certainly not the case...

I'm in such awe of you wing guys, like nascarxx29, dane, doug, you and many others.  You guys have tracked and logged many wing cars and can tell who owns what and where they are.  It's just truly amazing!!  Thanks guys   

[daytonalo]

I would be impressed if they brought world peace !!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

Gene does your car have the tich toch tach?  or was that option standard on Daytonas?

Nope, no N85 Tach coded on my car - wish it were    .  It wasn't a mandatory option, although a quick look at what information I have shows that about 1/2 of the cars came with the Tach.

I recall for the tach to be on the daytona required a performance axle package.I have seen alot of non tach cars with tachs.Either look for the N85 fender tag code .Or look for the the hole location on the bulkhead and correct grommet and gray wire connector on the firewall.Seen alot of cars with tachs that didnt have the hole pl;acement or no hole used .They ran the wires for the tach into the car by using the speedometer cable

[69_500]

I had always assumed that the number of cars with tachs' would be higher for 4 speed cars than AT's, but now that I get to looking at the information I have on 500's, it doesn't seem the case. It seems that just as many 4 speed cars didnt have one as had one.

[Chris G.]

John's car is pretty loaded up. PW, Cruise, AM/8Track, 6 way seat (or whatever that is), etc.

BTW, Could you get rear-defogger in a Daytona? 

[nascarxx29]

I got a copy of his buildsheet have to see if at all the option is marked off.I cant recall seeing a daytona with it .As with a rear defrost car.Wouldnt the switch for it be obvious on the instrument cluster.looked and been around  at alot of daytonas .
Cant say I recall seeing the extra switch

[pettybird]

it hangs next to the heater controls from the metal frame of the dash itself.  apparently, "all" (now "more than some") canadian cars came with them.


anyone with a US spec defroster car???

[nascarxx29]

This switch which has rear window on one side and on the other .It says top .Came from a 70 b body hardtop parts car.It I believe used a similar mount and location as a 70 b body convertible.Underside of dash on the left bellow the dash pad edge left of heater controls.I was thinking 69 had it on the dash cluster as 68 chargers Ive seen

[moparstuart]

my 70 convert have a toggle switch hanging down there from the ledge left side of the heater controlls i think the map light/ is on the right side

[nascarxx29]

I photographed the one laying around here from the 70 b body.The convertible just had a different switch for the top motor.But has the same knob with rwind or top

[moparstuart]

yup thats it

[69_500]

I was thinking that a certain board member with a Daytona and a matching C500 would chime in. I know his 500 has the rear window defroster, but I thought that his Daytona did too.

[Alaskan_TA]

For those of you that track this kind of thing from known cars....

How many 500s are known with column shift?

Daytonas?

What are the numbers for auto with console shift vs. column shift cars for each?

Just curious.

Barry

[hemi68charger]

For those of you that track this kind of thing from known cars....

How many 500s are known with column shift?

Daytonas?

What are the numbers for auto with console shift vs. column shift cars for each?

Just curious.

Barry

Barry, that's a good question.... I've never seen a column shift C500.. But, I have seen a column shift Daytona....

[69_500]

Barry,

I'll do some checking here in a little bit this afternoon. But off the top of my head I can name 2 HEMI 500's VIN"s that are definately AT's on the column from the factory. 224396, and 248663. I know there are more but thsoe two are the first to come to mind.

[nascarxx29]

I can only recall seeing one column automatic daytona.A original A4 silver.I have its vin and other info I recorded from it.I saw it in Houston TX.It later got sold in 87 in TX .Then it came to the east coast .And I saw it again .And met the guy who had it in NJ  was Pat D had owned it. and sold it to George.Who turned out to be the guy who sold my friend. Bill the white on red on daytona seen in supercars book.his name was George Harrison like the famous beatle  .He had the car in a mopar magazine 80- or 90s wearing PA plates 69 WING XX29L9B402971.When George had it was black with tinted windows centerlines.And after market floor shifter.

[Alaskan_TA]

Very interesting.....

The one I know of is VERY close to that - 402978. 

Thanks for checking into this guys.

Barry

[69_500]

As far as Daytona's go I know that the red on red car my dad used to own was an AT on the column as well.

409185

[WINGMAN]

   Hello All.   Danny my Daytona was not a rear window defroster car, but the 500 is. Both cars are column shift R4 with black interiors. I got the 500 out last week for the first time in almost two years and took it to one of the local cruses. Lots of people around hear never saw a real 500 before and dont know what they are looking at. I think i like to drive the 500 more than the Daytona some times as it just seams to drive more easlily, 3.23 versus 3.55 and you dont have all the extra car out in front. Allso the 500 has factory disc brakes and will stop faster than the Daytona with drums. Both cars have factory tachs, am radios and power steering. Love them both,  so witch one will i drive today, i guess i will flip a coin.    Jay.

[nascarxx29]

I see 402978 F6 green from NE

[Ghoste]

Love them both,  so witch one will i drive today, i guess i will flip a coin.    Jay.

Boy, it sucks to be you, huh? 

[hemigeno]

Sorry for chiming in late to your question, Barry...  I didn't have the chance to check my records until this morning (I keep them here on the office PC).

So far, I have a record of 16 column-shifted automatic Daytonas -- but I don't have full Fender Tag information on all those 16 cars much less all of the known-to-exist cars.  All of the ones that had been mentioned in this thread were already logged as column-shifted cars, except that Danny's dad's former car is 409045 (I'll bet this week's paycheck that Danny quoted that VIN from memory, which I probably couldn't do for any other cars but my own    )

It is interesting to see some of the patterns emerge, such as what Barry alluded to with 402978 and 402971.  A few other close VINs from that list of 16 cars are 402961, 402983 and 402984.  The more information we can compile, the better the overall picture will become.

[hemi68charger]

   Hello All.   Danny my Daytona was not a rear window defroster car, but the 500 is. Both cars are column shift R4 with black interiors. I got the 500 out last week for the first time in almost two years and took it to one of the local cruses. Lots of people around hear never saw a real 500 before and dont know what they are looking at. I think i like to drive the 500 more than the Daytona some times as it just seams to drive more easlily, 3.23 versus 3.55 and you dont have all the extra car out in front. Allso the 500 has factory disc brakes and will stop faster than the Daytona with drums. Both cars have factory tachs, am radios and power steering. Love them both,  so witch one will i drive today, i guess i will flip a coin.    Jay.

I get the same response with my C500 when I take her out to the local Sat. night cruise spot.. Our spot will typically have over 300 cars on any given Sat. night. This weekend since the front came through and the humidity went down, we had over 400 cars in the Kroger parking lot.. I get the responses of, "Man, you drove this C500 out here?" to "Is that a real C500?". It's interesting to sit back in my chair and watch the people, who seem to know what their looking at, explain to a buddy or wife what's up with that rear window... Then you get the, "Why does this Charger have a flush Coronet grille?, Why did you do that?"   

Hopefully this '68 j-code of mine will allow me to ask, "Am I taking the wing or wingless out tonight?"   
Troy

[moparstuart]

  that is what i do also, love to just sit there quietly observing people and there comments , fun stuff

[69_500]

Yes Gene it was from Memory. Call me a nerd why don't ya. 

[Ghoste]

Wing car fanatic is the proper term, I believe. 

[69_500]

I guess you could go that route as well. That would explain the huge difference in the amount of post I do in this section compared to any others.

[pettybird]

john borzych in indiana has two column shift daytonas...  i don't have the vin's, though.  r4/white wing/black int and b5/white wing/b7 interior