torker II vs. M1

[deathcharger71]

i need advise on which intake manfild to get, right now its between edelbrocks torker II or mopars M1. the torker II seems like it will have better mid range power, but both being single plane i dont see how it can have THAT much better mid range then the M1. im gonna run it on my 360 with .490 lift, 10-1 compression, 750 holley dp, 4 hole carb spacer, 4.10 gears and 2800-3000 stall. also does anybody know which one is taller? my engine mount broke and i put a big dent in my hood, so im thinking of just getting a 2'' spacer and cutting a hole in the hood. the dent is my only good excuse...other then that it will look cool 

[Ghoste]

The Mopar M1 single plane is supposed to be one of the better ones out there.  The dual is just an aluminum copy of the iron dual but that single is accepted as a good intake.  Admittedly I don't have any experience with the Torker even secondhand but if it were me and the price was close, I'd go with the Mopar.

[firefighter3931]

For a smallblock in a heavy car and a combo that mild....neither of those would be my choice. The performer rpm air gap will make better power down low and won't take away anything up top. Another good option would be the vintage Edelbrock LD340 dual plane which can be found used at swaps, e-bay etc.... You would notice a difference between a dual plane and a single plane on that combo. With a drop base air cleaner it will clear the stock hood.

Ron

[deathcharger71]

mopars 360 is very simialar to mine and comes with a single plane manifold, but the weaker 360 comes with a dual plane. doesnt seem like mopar would put on an intake that didnt work best with the engine.

[firefighter3931]

I'm sure it works fine with a single plane....it's just that it would work a LOT better with the right dual plane. I've looked at dyno data for many engine combos and in most cases the dual plane makes better torque than a single plane....usually a lot better. On my own engine the difference was 30ftlbs at 3000rpm. With the gearing and stall you're planning to run in that car....you will notice the  loss of low end power.

If you were running an a-body with 4.56 gears and 4000 stall, the single plane would be the better choice....but you're not. The reality is that you're trying to move a big beast and to do that you need torque. A friend has the rpm airgap on his 408 smallblock stroker and it runs great....it pulls hard down low like a 440 and makes better hp than many 440's out there on the street. That car has 3000 stall and 3.55 gears. It also has more stroke and if any engine could live w/o a dualplane it would be that one....yours cannot or should not with the car's weight, mild build, shallow gearing and light stall. 

Ron

[MoparYoungGun]

Listen to Ron, he knows his stuff .

[firefighter3931]

mopars 360 is very simialar to mine and comes with a single plane manifold, but the weaker 360 comes with a dual plane. doesnt seem like mopar would put on an intake that didnt work best with the engine.

If you're referring to the M1 dualplane then your concern is valid. This is not a performance manifold...just an aluminum lightweight copy of the factory intake. It is significantly inferior to the LD340 or the Performer Rpm airgap. 

Ron

[deathcharger71]

well i wised up and listened to you haha, i just bought the air gap. now i have two questions...should i get it port matched? and i already have a 2'' 4 hole carb spacer, do i need to ditch that and get an open spacer?

[Ghoste]

Port matching, yes.  It's free, not counting your time, and easy to do.

[firefighter3931]

well i wised up and listened to you haha, i just bought the air gap. now i have two questions...should i get it port matched? and i already have a 2'' 4 hole carb spacer, do i need to ditch that and get an open spacer?

Yes on the portmatch...no on the spacer. Just use a carb insulating gasket to keep the fuel cooler and carb temps down. The airgap design will also help in this area by keeping hot oil of the intake runners. With a dropbase aircleaner you should be able to retain the stock hood. A 4hole spacer is primarily used for single plane applications where signal to the carb needs to be boosted...not a problem with the dualplane airgap.

Ron

[deathcharger71]

how do i port match it myself...i prices i found for intake that came with port matching done by the shop were 100+ dollars just for port mathing.

[golden73]

how do i port match it myself...i prices i found for intake that came with port matching done by the shop were 100+ dollars just for port mathing.

Get an intake gasket and put it on the manifold. Use a paint pen or something along that line and mark off the areas on the intake manifold where there is excess metal (where you can see metal on the open spots of the gasket)

Then simply use a die grinder and remove those areas.

[deathcharger71]

im putting on the air gap today or tomorrow, can i use the intake gasket thats on now or should i do what the box says and buy an edelbrock gasket for that perfect fit?

[RD]

im putting on the air gap today or tomorrow, can i use the intake gasket thats on now or should i do what the box says and buy an edelbrock gasket for that perfect fit?

I would buy the edelbrock or mr. gasket version for your intake.  reason being is if you use a stock gasket you may have coolant leakage problems (dont ask me how I know).  The rear passenger side always leaked on me with the stock gasket, no matter how much goop of silicone I put on it.  Just get the proper gasket and that way you dont have to worry about it. my 2 pennies

[deathcharger71]

thanks for your advise, ill pick one up tomorrow.