1 of 3 Hemi 4 speed X9 Daytona

[nascarxx29]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

[hemigeno]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[Aero426]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Gary Moe has owned his car since 1977.

Roger Dennee's car was sold to Chris Sauer as part of a divorce settlement.

[FJMG]

Nascarxx29, I noticed you didn't list 409030. Is there any info on that car? also, any idea on how many T5 hemi daytonas, other than the tan int. and the white int., white stripe 4-speed cars?

[terrible one]

Is this the same car? I have a random picture of it on my computer.

[hemigeno]

Nascarxx29, I noticed you didn't list 409030. Is there any info on that car? also, any idea on how many T5 hemi daytonas, other than the tan int. and the white int., white stripe 4-speed cars?

I just have 409030 listed as a "known to exist" car, which means the VIN number was listed in one of the club magazines somewhere down the line.  If you have any info on it, I'd love to log that into my records (I'm sure Dave would love to have the info, as well as DSAC and the '69 Charger Registry).

Also, in my meager database I have only 8 cars listed with T5, and 3 of those were white or tan interior with a 4-speed.  There are probably several more that I don't have the information on.  Good color combo!

Is this the same car? I have a random picture of it on my computer.

Gotta be the same car - it's the same all the way down to the type of tires & wheels...

[69_500]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

[Charger-Bodie]

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

[hemigeno]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

Danny,  I was only going by the paint/interior/stripe combo, Hemi badges, slot wheels and "Formula 1 / Super Stock" tires...  seemed at least plausible that they were the same car - although you could certainly be right.  It'd be pretty wild to have two cars dressed out that much alike (in semi-custom form).

BTW, Happy (late) Birthday!

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

A big problem with a "triple black" Daytona is that one may never have been produced that way originally.  The decent pictures that I have seen of cars with that treatment all show a matte/flat black stripe applied.  However, the stripes only came originally in gloss black - which would not have shown up well on the painted surface.  It was possible to order a Daytona without the stripe (which would mean the wing would be painted body color), but unfortunately there's really no way to prove it was ordered sans stripe without a dealer order or some other rare paperwork from back in the day.  The fender tags and order information available thus far does not give any reliable indication about what color the stripe was. 

The reason this is important to the story you just told, is that if the car your dad remembers seeing had a black stripe on it, my guess is that it was customozed to one degree or another.  That makes it even more difficult to say for sure just which car that might have been.

Of the two black 4-speed HemiDaytonas that I have at least some fender tag information on, it is more likely to have been the Ed Mohler car (405189 which is now Steve Fox's car) than the one which ended up in Great Britain.  Danny might know a whole lot more about the Mohler/Fox car, since he saw it when it was for sale back in the early 80s.

[Charger-Bodie]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

Danny,  I was only going by the paint/interior/stripe combo, Hemi badges, slot wheels and "Formula 1 / Super Stock" tires...  seemed at least plausible that they were the same car - although you could certainly be right.  It'd be pretty wild to have two cars dressed out that much alike (in semi-custom form).

BTW, Happy (late) Birthday!

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

A big problem with a "triple black" Daytona is that one may never have been produced that way originally.  The decent pictures that I have seen of cars with that treatment all show a matte/flat black stripe applied.  However, the stripes only came originally in gloss black - which would not have shown up well on the painted surface.  It was possible to order a Daytona without the stripe (which would mean the wing would be painted body color), but unfortunately there's really no way to prove it was ordered sans stripe without a dealer order or some other rare paperwork from back in the day.  The fender tags and order information available thus far does not give any reliable indication about what color the stripe was. 

The reason this is important to the story you just told, is that if the car your dad remembers seeing had a black stripe on it, my guess is that it was customozed to one degree or another.  That makes it even more difficult to say for sure just which car that might have been.

Of the two black 4-speed HemiDaytonas that I have at least some fender tag information on, it is more likely to have been the Ed Mohler car (405189 which is now Steve Fox's car) than the one which ended up in Great Britain.  Danny might know a whole lot more about the Mohler/Fox car, since he saw it when it was for sale back in the early 80s.

i should have probley mention that sometimes my dads memery can get foggy even thou he would never admit that!! even thou id say his memory prob is good on the overall color its prob the details that he got mixed up?

[nascarxx29]

 V2 hemi car painted black Jerry S Manchester MI

[69_500]

I could be wrong as well on the whole thing too Gene. I just think I remember when the other photo was first posted it was noted that it was from Michigan, which made me think of the car Dave mentioned.

I don't think the Black 4 speed car that was Don Hicks ever had front end damage. However, the one over in England was origionally from the southeast, and then went to California in the early 80's. The exact opposite direction as the other black HEMI 4 speed car. It was in Pheonix I believe and went to Alabama in the late 70's. So they swapped spaces on the the realtive coasts. The one that is now in England was sprayed white at one time as well. Painted by aerosol cans in a parking lot as i recall someone telling me. If I'm not mistaken it was painted white on the way from Alabama to california, in a parking lot in colorado or something along those lines. Painted white before driving through the hot desert.

What area of the country is your fathers shop in? And by 3X was he meaning black exterior, stripe, interior, or vinyl top. 4 componets possible, to make up a 3x. None were with the vinyl top so that rules that one out for sure. Black stripe, would be hard to believe but not exactly impossible.

[moparchris]

In regards to the Steve Fox x9 daytona.  This car was indeed in Phoenix when new where it was sprayed a hideous yellow with the red wing.  My good friend Bob Graham test drove that car when it was on the used car lot of Pegler's Dodge City dealership.  This was in about '73-'74.  If I remember Bob's story they offered him that car for $2,000.  At the time he could not swing it as he and his brother Bill owned a red 71 hemi cuda convertable and they had just blown up the motor in the cuda.  This was the same hemi cuda convertable that was on the cover of Mopar Action magazine a few months ago as the "mysterious lost cuda convertable".

[Charger-Bodie]

I could be wrong as well on the whole thing too Gene. I just think I remember when the other photo was first posted it was noted that it was from Michigan, which made me think of the car Dave mentioned.

I don't think the Black 4 speed car that was Don Hicks ever had front end damage. However, the one over in England was origionally from the southeast, and then went to California in the early 80's. The exact opposite direction as the other black HEMI 4 speed car. It was in Pheonix I believe and went to Alabama in the late 70's. So they swapped spaces on the the realtive coasts. The one that is now in England was sprayed white at one time as well. Painted by aerosol cans in a parking lot as i recall someone telling me. If I'm not mistaken it was painted white on the way from Alabama to california, in a parking lot in colorado or something along those lines. Painted white before driving through the hot desert.

What area of the country is your fathers shop in? And by 3X was he meaning black exterior, stripe, interior, or vinyl top. 4 componets possible, to make up a 3x. None were with the vinyl top so that rules that one out for sure. Black stripe, would be hard to believe but not exactly impossible.

ne iowa black car black stripe black interior but like i said before my dad can somtimes remeber thing diff than they were!

[69_500]

I was wondering if someone would know about the Steve F. car from before it went to Don Hicks in Alabama. I don't think I ever saw it in any color other than black though. Yellow with a red wing wouldn't look so bad, just my thoughts though. When I saw it in the early 80's and then again before he restored it, the paint was a gloss black.

[PocketThunder]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Gary Moe has owned his car since 1977.

Roger Dennee's car was sold to Chris Sauer as part of a divorce settlement.

Thats him!  Gary Moe is the guy i talked to last night. 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,9246.msg343427.html#msg343427

Paul
In St. Paul

[FJMG]

    I guess I missed this the last time I read this thread but do I understand correctly Hemigeno that you have 8 t5 hemi's recorded???

[gtx6970]

Does Steve Fox still have the don hicks car, he has or had a X9 black hemi 500 as well that came out of Cincy at about the same time. I know he sold the black hemi 500 but bought it back shortly thereafter

[nascarxx29]

Another well known fact on that blackEx Don Hicks car .There was damage on the underneath.On a frame rail.Or where frame had been pulled at .Most likely from a early on accident

[hemigeno]

    I guess I missed this the last time I read this thread but do I understand correctly Hemigeno that you have 8 t5 hemi's recorded???

There are a few known-to-exist HemiDaytonas that I do not have the color information on, so between those and the yet-to-surface cars, my sampling isn't definitive.  I only have two T5 Hemi's in this particular database - the most well known of those being Cal Anderson's former car and both have tan interiors.

When you asked earlier about 409030 I had assumed you were interested in 440 & Hemi Daytonas painted T5.  Apparently, I didn't read your question well enough 

Sorry for the confusion!

[FJMG]

    No problem Hemigeno, both tan int.? so I assume that the white int. 4-spd at BJ last jan. is not yet in your database??

[hemigeno]

    No problem Hemigeno, both tan int.? so I assume that the white int. 4-spd at BJ last jan. is not yet in your database??

DOH!

That's what I get for being too busy to check my work.  Cal's old car was a White interior not tan - and that's the one that was at B-J.

Again, sorry for screwing things up.

[Aero426]

Cal's old car is now in the hands of Colin Comer in Milwaukee.  Colin purchased it at the Mecum auction in Belvidere.   We will be visiting Colin's collection at the Milwaukee meet next month.

[umcandprops]

I know the mopar Bro's of Tujunga. Ca, well.
They get hassled enough for their hemi cars as it is by fortune seekers.
They are genuine people, true collectors in every sense of the word.