"As always, I am hiding nothing with this Charger"

[Big Lebowski]

   This should probably be in the E-bay section but I couldn't resist...Where in this ad does it say it's not an R/T & it's a 383  Charger?


  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270144982185


   I sent him a friendly note about the vin # situation, since the buyer could scream fraud.  


           I'm 100% sure that Chrysler didn't build any 1970 440 4-speed Air conditioned Chargers, no Dana either. Bogus, bogus, bogus.

[hemi68charger]

Just emailed him, will be curious of his reply...

[1carcrazyguy]

the rocker mouldings on that Charger 

[RD]

i like the custom brake lines on the 8 3/4 snicker snicker... but hey, its a good looking car nonetheless.  and those rocker panels are major eyesores... i just could not stop looking at them... they totally break up the already clean lines of a great car... why? 

[bsakal]

Are those Road Runner exhaust tips?

[Lostsheep]

the rocker mouldings on that Charger 

[253862656971]

   


           I'm 100% sure that Chrysler didn't build any 1970 440 4-speed Air conditioned Chargers, no Dana either. Bogus, bogus, bogus.

Personally I really like that car and would buy it if I thought I could afford what it is gonna sell for and damn sure would drop the cash at the current price.

Dodge did some oddball stuff too when it came to options.  At a TDC meet here years ago I talked to the original owner of a 70 383 4spd car.  In the course of our conversation he mentioned that when he was optioning the car out he wanted the 4spd and AC.  He said that you couldn't have both so he chose fun over comfort.  Now about a year later I talked to another original owner of a 70 383 4spd car.  His has AC and he said he ordered it that way.  So who's right?  Sh^% if I know but I see weird things in the option packages.   

[Chad L. Magee]

I called him (phone number listed in the auction) and talked to him about the car.  The first thing I asked him was "Is the VIN number listed up on the auction match the number that is on the dash?" and he said yes.  I then explained, going by the VIN, that it can not be an RT/SE or even an RT since the second letter is not an S, but a P which would put it as a Charger 500 at best (and no 1970 Charger 500s came factory with a 440, one did with a hemi but that is a special case).   He responded that he thinks that it probably is a clone.  Hopefully he will correct his auction to reflect this bit of information.......

[pettyfan43]

   


           I'm 100% sure that Chrysler didn't build any 1970 440 4-speed Air conditioned Chargers, no Dana either. Bogus, bogus, bogus.

Personally I really like that car and would buy it if I thought I could afford what it is gonna sell for and damn sure would drop the cash at the current price.

Dodge did some oddball stuff too when it came to options.  At a TDC meet here years ago I talked to the original owner of a 70 383 4spd car.  In the course of our conversation he mentioned that when he was optioning the car out he wanted the 4spd and AC.  He said that you couldn't have both so he chose fun over comfort.  Now about a year later I talked to another original owner of a 70 383 4spd car.  His has AC and he said he ordered it that way.  So who's right?  Sh^% if I know but I see weird things in the option packages.   

Could have been that particular car came through without A/C and the dealer added it when the car showed up.

[Dodge Don]

You could not get AC with a 70 Charger 383 2bbl 4 speed combination.

It looks like a nice driver, but restored? I don't think so. There are so many incorrect things I lost count. 69 R/T stripe etc. etc etc

[Charger1973]

At least its a good color.   

[68rustbucket]

could you get a 68 383 4speed with ac?

[Lowprofile]

Just a question to the guys with all the factory info......Why was it that you could not get a 4 speed car w/air from the factory? Or a HEMI Car w/ a/c? What was their reasoning? Because today, just about every performance car comes w/all the options, including a/c. 

[Big Lebowski]

  I thought you could get AC in anything except Hemi cars, 440-6 cars, & 440 4-speed cars. But 383 4-speed cars & 440 automatic R/T's came with AC, but not 440 4-speed Chargers. And 99% of those had Dana's.
    And um, the rear brake lines on the 8 3/4 scare me and I'm fearless.

[Nacho-RT74]

Model (X) Dodge Charger through 1970

Car class (P) Charger 500

Body style (29) 2 Door Sports Hardtop-Fastback-Sports Coupe

Engine (L) 383 ci 2 bbl

Model year (0) 1970

Build plant (G) St. Louis, MO, USA

Sequence 223728

[70sixpkrt]

The only time you could not get A/C is with the Hemi or 440-6pk motors. You can get A/C with a 4-speed. This must be a clone car because the vin. should say XS. Also in my opinion, I like the rocker panels. It breaks up the color alittle plus it is a rare option. For some reason, the rocker panels on this car looks short. The rocker panels should be closer to the rear wheel lip moldings in my opinion.

[Ghoste]

I believe that the only Charger model with a four speed and a/c was if it had a 383.  The issue was compressor warranty if you missed a shift and screamed the engine.  For the same reason, I don't think you get a/c with any four speed engines in a Road Runner or Super Bee.

[Chris G.]

You can get A/C with a 4-speed. 

This is true. You could get a 383 4spd w/air. Also, the car up for sale is a 383 2bbl. All 383 2bbl's came with autos in 1970, so at some point this car was changed to a 4spd from an auto.

[lumpy]

I don't think anybody can say for sure that a car could not come a certain way from the factory. We have all seen things on Mopars that were not supposed to be there. Obviously this is not an original car and is not a correct restoration, but it is a nice looking car. I am sure that the winning bidder will be fully aware of what he is buying. If not, then it is his own fault for not knowing what he is looking at.

[dkn1997]

I think one reason 6 pack cars did not get a/c was the sheer size of the air cleaner, I have seen cars where it was added and they had to cut the stock air cleaner.

[Nacho-RT74]

The rocker panels should be closer to the rear wheel lip moldings in my opinion.

dunno on earliers but pretty sure is the same: on 3rd gens the rocker moldings  arrives up to body line around wheel opening. That is around an inch or inch and a half before the wheel opening.

[Dodge Don]

I don't think anybody can say for sure that a car could not come a certain way from the factory. We have all seen things on Mopars that were not supposed to be there.

True, but until I see a broadcast sheet proving it exists we can only go by the official Chrysler material and the 70 Registry database which supports Chryslers position on this issue.

[Ghoste]

  What he said, cuz without documentation it's just an urban myth.

[Charger_Fan]

My parts car had a/c originally too. It started life as a 383 4-barrel, 4-speed car (XP29N0G).

[Big Lebowski]

Wow, this guy still has not revised the ad to show it's not a real R/T, even after getting friendly phone calls & e-mails about it. He needs to change it to avoid his impending fraud Charges, when the new owner finds out it's not an R/T 440 4-speed car as advertised.

[runninhorn]

There is a 70 sublime RT/SE Challenger 440 car listed as well by ronsclassics that is NOT an original RT/SE car and not an original sublime car, I called him about it, and he told me that it was still a nice car, and that he needs to get atleast $68k for the car b/c that is what he has in it. I still told him it was wrong to lie about the car and he said it doesnt matter. Wow, some sellers are scum.

[Big Lebowski]

  Wow, and you can't even warn the bidders because you can't contact them. Maybe everybody will rat him off to E-bay security if he doesn't change the ad. After all, he actually says in his ad..."As always, I am hiding nothing with this Charger" 

[lumpy]

I hate to say it, but if someone buys that car and doesn't at least check the VIN to know what they are getting, it is their own fault. The bidding tells me that nobody beleives that it is an original R/T S.E., but it is a decent looking non original street machine. As far as options that never could be, I have seen a few. I didn't see his Challenger, but at least the Charger and '69 Z28 have no reserve.

[lumpy]

check this out   http://www.flmuscleandspeed-feedback.com/

[RECHRGD]

check this out http://www.flmuscleandspeed-feedback.com/

I hate to say it, but if someone buys that car and doesn't at least check the VIN to know what they are getting, it is their own fault. The bidding tells me that nobody beleives that it is an original R/T S.E., but it is a decent looking non original street machine. As far as options that never could be, I have seen a few. I didn't see his Challenger, but at least the Charger and '69 Z28 have no reserve.

Good link Lumpy.  The guy is a scumbag.  When reading his BS in the ad, notice that he wants you to really look at the pictures good and if you want further information to call him.  Nowhere in the whole ad does he invite anyone to LOOK at the car!  Why do people put out that kind of money and not even have someone check the car out?  The bids are now up over 22K.  Bob

[69_500]

There are a few that I know in this "hobby" that would drop $22K on a car without looking at it in person. Then again they are the same ones that hardly bat an eye at dropping 6 digits on a car too.

[69CoronetRT]

For the same reason, I don't think you get a/c with any four speed engines in a Road Runner or Super Bee.

You could get A/C with the 383 four speed combo in a RR/SB but you got the 330 horse engine, not the 335.

could you get a 68 383 4speed with ac?

Yes

[lumpy]

22K is not a whole lot of money, considering a new Charger costs 32K + and you generally can't pick up a nice '70 for under 20K I don't think that the car is worth more than that. Obviously there is one guy that was not happy with the car that he purchased from this seller, but it seems like most of his buyers are pleased with their purchases. When I sold my '70 Challenger R/T S.E. last year, I thought that the buyer got a great deal on a nice car(21k). He knew ahead of time that the car was not original or #'s or stock, but he talked trash about the car on the cc board once he got it then ended up selling it less than a year after he bought it. Sometime you just can't please everybody.

[Big Lebowski]

  Wow, and he's about to do it again. This seller seems like a real snake oil salesman.

[70charger_boy]

Did anybody notice the ladderbar on the passenger side?  It looks like its hanging.  The rocker panel mouldings look like there trying to hide something and the panel gaps look like shit.