Adios Wolverine

[Neal_J]

The news is reporting that Canadian wrestler Chis Benoit, his wife (WWE's "Woman") and their young son were found dead today in their Atlanta home.

RIP Rabid Wolverine.


Neal

[Lowprofile]

Canadian wrestler Benoit, family found dead
Updated Mon. Jun. 25 2007 8:05 PM ET

Associated Press

STAMFORD, Conn. -- Canadian pro wrestler Chris Benoit has been found dead at his suburban Atlanta home along with his wife Nancy and son, World Wrestling Entertainment said Monday.

"There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities,'' the WWE statement said on its website.

WWE said information about the deaths came from "authorities'' in Fayetteville County, Ga. A spokesman for the Peachtree City Police Department said he had no information on the report, telling a reporter to contact his superior on Tuesday.

WWE spokeswoman Cheryl Kong in Toronto said Monday night's "Raw'' TV program would serve as a tribute to Benoit and his family.

Benoit, 40, was born in Montreal and lived in Edmonton. He was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles over his career.

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy,'' the website statement said.

Benoit was scheduled to wrestle at the Vengeance pay-per-view Sunday night in Houston, but was replaced at the last minute because of what announcer Jim Ross called "personal reasons.''


I Just found out an hour ago. Heading back to the arena to do load out now...........I'll post more when I find out the story..

[Drache]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,30523.0.html

[dkn1997]

Please tell me it was not anothe murder/suicide.  I cannot take much more of these guys deciding it's easier to kill women and kids rather than divorcing them. 

[TruckDriver]

Please tell me it was not anothe murder/suicide.  I cannot take much more of these guys deciding it's easier to kill women and kids rather than divorcing them. 

I agree.

[pettyfan43]

One of the reports said that Benoit called WWE and said he couldn't be at Vengeance because his family was sick and they were spitting up blood.

They also have said that he was in a new house.

Could it possibly have been carbon monoxide poisoning?

Something is weird that's for sure.

[Shakey]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2007/06/25/4289665.html

[dkn1997]

either way, it's a tragedy.  I feel bad for their families

[Manfred318]

So sad
RIP "The Rabid Wolverine" Chris Benoit, Nancy "Woman" Benoit and Daniel Benoit

[68chrgrwife]

The yahoo report says that he was not shot to death!  So no murder/suicide.

[pettyfan43]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1

This does not sound good at all!

I hope they are wrong about this.

[Manfred318]

WWE.com is reporting the deaths were due to a murder suicide.
From WWE.com
It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available.

[RD]

[rant] no offense, but whenever a celebrity dies... why do we feel like we have to further immortalize them with these tributes?  I am not one to disgrace or disrespect the dead, but at the same time, what have these people done to affect your life in a positive manner so as to get you to lay a tribute to them?

Then again, 9 firefighters from South Carolina died fighting a blaze and not one thread that I could see.  I can see how the tragic murder/suicide of a entertainer is way more important than the deaths of those that put their lives on the line everyday.

Sorry, I just do not hold the same sentiment to a man or his wife (not sure which one yet) who had murdered one another and their child.  May the innocents find peace in heaven and the murderer burn in hell.  I am not here to give forgiveness or judge, He can only do that.[/rant]

oh... and if you wanna know about the firefighters:

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?fr_story=FRTHEBRAIN200592&rf=sitemap

[bull]

I have to agree with RD. A pro wrestler? I wish more people would look up to life's real heroes.

[DodgeChargerNeeded]

I have been a wrestling fan for many years. But if it turns out to be a murder/suicide he can rot in hell for all i care.

[Recharger]

[rant] no offense, but whenever a celebrity dies... why do we feel like we have to further immortalize them with these tributes?  I am not one to disgrace or disrespect the dead, but at the same time, what have these people done to affect your life in a positive manner so as to get you to lay a tribute to them?

Then again, 9 firefighters from South Carolina died fighting a blaze and not one thread that I could see.  I can see how the tragic murder/suicide of a entertainer is way more important than the deaths of those that put their lives on the line everyday.

Sorry, I just do not hold the same sentiment to a man or his wife (not sure which one yet) who had murdered one another and their child.  May the innocents find peace in heaven and the murderer burn in hell.  I am not here to give forgiveness or judge, He can only do that.[/rant]

oh... and if you wanna know about the firefighters:

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?fr_story=FRTHEBRAIN200592&rf=sitemap

So what if someone wants to "immortalize" the death of someone you don't care about?  It's not uncommon at all for people to feel a connection to people in the entertainment & sports worlds.  They often serve as role models and people look up to them, for better or worse.

If you feel so strongly about the killed firemen, why didn't you start a thread about them before?  No time?  Not how you deal with things?  Me either.  That's why I didn't start a thread about the dozens of soldiers killed throughout this month, or the thousands killed over the last few years.  Threads aren't how I deal with things.  Doesn't mean I don't respect the sacrifice.  Same reason I didn't start a thread when my little cousin died a few weeks ago.  It's not how I deal with things.  But I'd like to hope that if I did, you wouldn't have pissed all over the sentiment because he didn't matter to you. 

And keep in mind I haven't read the details of this case, and I don't know who killed who, (if anyone) but my knowledge says puking up blood does not sound like CO poisoning.  It doesn't sound good, but if someone's upset over the loss of a public figure, let them be.  I would think a counselor of all people would understand that.

[Forza]

[quote author=Recharger link=topic=30523.msg333712#msg333712 date=1182845531

So what if someone wants to "immortalize" the death of someone you don't care about?  It's not uncommon at all for people to feel a connection to people in the entertainment & sports worlds.  They often serve as role models and people look up to them, for better or worse.

If you feel so strongly about the killed firemen, why didn't you start a thread about them before?  No time?  Not how you deal with things?  Me either.  That's why I didn't start a thread about the dozens of soldiers killed throughout this month, or the thousands killed over the last few years.  Threads aren't how I deal with things.  Doesn't mean I don't respect the sacrifice.  Same reason I didn't start a thread when my little cousin died a few weeks ago.  It's not how I deal with things.  But I'd like to hope that if I did, you wouldn't have pissed all over the sentiment because he didn't matter to you. 

And keep in mind I haven't read the details of this case, and I don't know who killed who, (if anyone) but my knowledge says puking up blood does not sound like CO poisoning.  It doesn't sound good, but if someone's upset over the loss of a public figure, let them be.  I would think a counselor of all people would understand that.

[TruckDriver]

WWE.com is reporting the deaths were due to a murder suicide.
From WWE.com
It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available.

I just saw it on the local news too this morning that it was the result of a double murder-suicide. What is it with people taking others out when they wanna die, especially Innocent kids

[bull]

So what if someone wants to "immortalize" the death of someone you don't care about?  It's not uncommon at all for people to feel a connection to people in the entertainment & sports worlds.  They often serve as role models and people look up to them, for better or worse.

If you feel so strongly about the killed firemen, why didn't you start a thread about them before?  No time?  Not how you deal with things?  Me either.  That's why I didn't start a thread about the dozens of soldiers killed throughout this month, or the thousands killed over the last few years.  Threads aren't how I deal with things.  Doesn't mean I don't respect the sacrifice.  Same reason I didn't start a thread when my little cousin died a few weeks ago.  It's not how I deal with things.  But I'd like to hope that if I did, you wouldn't have pissed all over the sentiment because he didn't matter to you. 

And keep in mind I haven't read the details of this case, and I don't know who killed who, (if anyone) but my knowledge says puking up blood does not sound like CO poisoning.  It doesn't sound good, but if someone's upset over the loss of a public figure, let them be.  I would think a counselor of all people would understand that.

Nothing wrong with it but it's a lot like hearing people cry about Paris Hilton being put in jail or Anna Nicole dying.

[my73charger]

Man what a puke.  Makes me sick when I hear this sort of thing.  Especially killing an inocent child.  There is no reason. 

[4cruzin]

Definitely a sad situation . . 

[Charger1973]

 

[Manfred318]

Definitely a sad situation . . 

From PWInsider.com
GRIM DETAILS OF THE BENOIT FAMILY TRAGEDY
by Dave Scherer @ 12:27:00 PM on 6/26/2007

Grim details of the murder-suicide are coming to light.  We have learned that authorities believe that Chris Benoit strangled his wife Nancy on Saturday, then killed his son Daniel on Sunday either by strangling him or smothering him in his bed.  On Monday, he then hung himself, reportedly in the weight room of his Georgia home.  More details are expected to be released by officials later today.

[pettyfan43]

How the !$@%#% does someone get to the point that they kill their own flesh and blood? How does that happen? How does someone snap that completely?

Then the coward takes his own life after doing something like THAT!    It is horrible and unforgivable.

[RD]

So what if someone wants to "immortalize" the death of someone you don't care about?  It's not uncommon at all for people to feel a connection to people in the entertainment & sports worlds.  They often serve as role models and people look up to them, for better or worse.

If you feel so strongly about the killed firemen, why didn't you start a thread about them before?  No time?  Not how you deal with things?  Me either.  That's why I didn't start a thread about the dozens of soldiers killed throughout this month, or the thousands killed over the last few years.  Threads aren't how I deal with things.  Doesn't mean I don't respect the sacrifice.  Same reason I didn't start a thread when my little cousin died a few weeks ago.  It's not how I deal with things.  But I'd like to hope that if I did, you wouldn't have pissed all over the sentiment because he didn't matter to you. 

And keep in mind I haven't read the details of this case, and I don't know who killed who, (if anyone) but my knowledge says puking up blood does not sound like CO poisoning.  It doesn't sound good, but if someone's upset over the loss of a public figure, let them be.  I would think a counselor of all people would understand that.

oh i know that people have a connection to celebrities in some way, shape, or form, but it does not mean I agree with it.  I may have struck harshly with my statement, but you can only live in lala land for so long with this "one-way" connection with celebrities.

people can do what they want in regards to these tributes, but I believe them to be an overwhelming and misguided empowerment of celebrities and nothing but a fanciful case of misguided idolatry.  To provide worship to a group of humans for nothing more than their ability to portray a character in the name of entertainment is lunacy and fanaticism at its greatest. just my 

I hear a lot of people say that they love this actor or singer or band or athlete, but have no idea what that person is like.  Man if you did that with anyone in your neighborhood (some being worse than others) you would find yourself as a doormat.  In some cases, that is what happens with those who idolize these celebrities, they become doormats.

On that note, I agree with RE, you can put up these threads to place forever in the internet search engines some type of documentation showing that a celebrity has died, that is your right (well at least until Troy kills it ).  It does not mean that I agree with your reasons as I find them pointless, assinine, and somewhat pitiful.  Especially, when the guy you are trying to enamor is a murderer.

And to answer his question:

If you feel so strongly about the killed firemen, why didn't you start a thread about them before?  No time?  Not how you deal with things?  Me either.

Me posting a thread about them here is not necessary.  Their actions are what tells their story far better than a bunch of binary code I could implement.

[Neal_J]

I started this thread yesterday to acknowledge the untimely passing of someone I watched on TV and therefore "knew" in some limited sense.  While I didn't personally know the firefighters, I am just as saddened by their loss as I am by the loss of the Benoit family - or any other untimely death.

However, knowing now that Benoit killed his wife and son before hanging himself, my hope is that (1) his wife and son's suffering was mercifully brief, and that (2) his suffering is both extreme and eternal.  Rot in hell, Wolverine, you suck!

Kids, don't do 'roids.


Neal J.

[Lowprofile]

1st of all, thanks to the mods for combining the threads......I did not see this one when I posted mine. I had just been awakened in my hotel room with the news and was half asleep when I posted.

The news is truly tragic....They think it might be "roid rage". He killed his wife first on Friday, then his son on Saturday, finally killing himself on Sunday.........He placed bibles by his wife and sons bodies before killing himself.

I have Known Chris on a professional level for over 10 years. No one out here on Tour ever saw this coming. He was always a loving husband & father whenever his family was out visiting on tour.

The management & crew out here on tour are devastated by this tragic event. They are thinking of cancelling tonight's show here in San Antonio.

[TruckDriver]

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

[68chrgrwife]

That totally blows my mind..I can't believe that happened...I am speachless....

[moparsons]

I am kinda stunned by what happened. What sucks(besides the whole horrible tragedy) is that kids looked up to this guy. He was always portrayed as a really nice guy, a good sport, an underdog, and a champion. I just got done trying to to explain this to my 9 year old brother that is distrought over the whole thing.

[bull]

I am kinda stunned by what happened. What sucks(besides the whole horrible tragedy) is that kids looked up to this guy. He was always portrayed as a really nice guy, a good sport, an underdog, and a champion. I just got done trying to to explain this to my 9 year old brother that is distrought over the whole thing.

"Portrayed" is the perfect word to use here. How can anyone pretend to know someone they've never met? And shouldn't our kids be taught to look up to someone whose deeds are a little more admirable than a pro wrestler? Maybe people who actually improve the world around them instead of having the ability to talk loud, take steroids and jump off the top rope? The whole thing is a ruse (in case you guys didn't know) so at best he was a fake hero. At worst he was what we found out he really was: a cowardly, narcissistic murderer.

[moparsons]

I don't think it's about pretending to know someone. If I heard one of you guys did this, I'd be like..."wow, didn't see that coming, he came off as a cool guy."     Same thing.
   Maybe they're not the best role models, but all the other 4th graders aren't trading cards and action figures of the fireman down the street.

[68chrgrwife]

I don't think it's about pretending to know someone. If I heard one of you guys did this, I'd be like..."wow, didn't see that coming, he came off as a cool guy."     Same thing.
   Maybe they're not the best role models, but all the other 4th graders aren't trading cards and action figures of the fireman down the street.

Yeah but the firefighters down the street are the true heroes of this country.  We should be trading cards and action figures of them instead of people on tv.  Although we all must remember that this stuff happens to regular people not just people on tv, the only thing is that we don't here about the regular people having murder-suicides as much as the tv people doing it.

[Brock Samson]

drugs and booze can make good people do some pretty horrific things,..
& so can money,... we had a guy across the bay shoot his wife and kid in the family car over bills last week,..

[pettyfan43]

Benoit's personal Doctor's office was RAIDED really early this morning, Police said there was enough evidence with that doctor's name on it that led them in that direction.

My guess is that toxicology came back and was damaging for the Benoit and the doctor.


My take on the rest of this goofy argument?

Little kids look up to people, people that are well known or even sports personalities that maybe are part of something their PARENTS watch.

I'm 40 years old, I've been a wrestling fan for 7-8 years now, and I am old enough to know the real deal. Wrestlers aren't heroes to me.

I love going to live events because some of these guys are incredible to watch. They can do absolutely incredible things and some of them are just cool guys.

KIDS should NOT watch wrestling until they are OLD ENOUGH to discern the difference between acting and real. They should also have people in their lives they can look up to that are actually a PART of their lives, NOT just on a TV screen.

[68chrgrwife]

Benoit's personal Doctor's office was RAIDED really early this morning, Police said there was enough evidence with that doctor's name on it that led them in that direction.

My guess is that toxicology came back and was damaging for the Benoit and the doctor.


My take on the rest of this goofy argument?

Little kids look up to people, people that are well known or even sports personalities that maybe are part of something their PARENTS watch.

I'm 40 years old, I've been a wrestling fan for 7-8 years now, and I am old enough to know the real deal. Wrestlers aren't heroes to me.

I love going to live events because some of these guys are incredible to watch. They can do absolutely incredible things and some of them are just cool guys.

KIDS should NOT watch wrestling until they are OLD ENOUGH to discern the difference between acting and real. They should also have people in their lives they can look up to that are actually a PART of their lives, NOT just on a TV screen.

Amen to that.  My kids know that their daddy and their friend's dads are the true heroes of this country.  They don't look up to any TV/movie personality.   They used to watch wrestling with me and even went to a few live events, but they knew/know that anything they watch on TV is fake (unless it is the history channel, national geographic, or the animal channel).  They like people like Ashley Tisdale and Hillary Duff, but they do understand that they are just people who pretend to be other people.....That is what every parent needs to teach their child...Only look up to those who are themselves all the time and do heroic things for the better of this country.

[Charger74]

Benoit's personal Doctor's office was RAIDED really early this morning, Police said there was enough evidence with that doctor's name on it that led them in that direction.

My guess is that toxicology came back and was damaging for the Benoit and the doctor.


My take on the rest of this goofy argument?

Little kids look up to people, people that are well known or even sports personalities that maybe are part of something their PARENTS watch.

I'm 40 years old, I've been a wrestling fan for 7-8 years now, and I am old enough to know the real deal. Wrestlers aren't heroes to me.

I love going to live events because some of these guys are incredible to watch. They can do absolutely incredible things and some of them are just cool guys.

KIDS should NOT watch wrestling until they are OLD ENOUGH to discern the difference between acting and real. They should also have people in their lives they can look up to that are actually a PART of their lives, NOT just on a TV screen.

Amen to that.  My kids know that their daddy and their friend's dads are the true heroes of this country.  They don't look up to any TV/movie personality.   They used to watch wrestling with me and even went to a few live events, but they knew/know that anything they watch on TV is fake (unless it is the history channel, national geographic, or the animal channel).  They like people like Ashley Tisdale and Hillary Duff, but they do understand that they are just people who pretend to be other people.....That is what every parent needs to teach their child...Only look up to those who are themselves all the time and do heroic things for the better of this country.

Very well said 68chrgrwife, if only people would understand that more instead of expecting tv and the schools to teach that to them....

[68chrgrwife]

Sorry, but I have lost all faith in the education system.  They only teach the kids what is on the standardized tests all year long.  I cannot stand having my kids in public schools, but cannot afford private and with my medical problems can't homeschool.

[moparsons]

Yeah but the firefighters down the street are the true heroes of this country.  We should be trading cards and action figures of them instead of people on tv.  Although we all must remember that this stuff happens to regular people not just people on tv, the only thing is that we don't here about the regular people having murder-suicides as much as the tv people doing it.

Oh I agree with ya totally, I was just saying that it's hard to sway the kids from what their peers veiw as "cool"