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71 Super Bee diferences

Started by 70 Charger RT, June 25, 2007, 03:32:41 PM

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70 Charger RT

When I was hauling my newly acquired 70 500 back from Manitoba to Alberta on the weekend, I was approached at a gas station from a guy wanting to sell his 71 Super Bee - 383.  I think I'll head back in a few weeks and pick it up.  In doing a little research on the 71 Bee, I found that some have hide-away headlights while others don't.  I haven't seen his car yet and all I know that's a rust-free 71 Bee - 383 car (so he claims).  If the cars in decent shape, what would it Bee  :rofl: worth?  Any advise on why some of them have the hide-aways?

Thanks,
Randall in Alberta
70 Charger R/T - 440/6
07 BMW 328iS
04 GMC SLE 2500 Diesel

supserdave

I know you couldn't get hideaway headlights with the color keyed bumpers. THis website has a lot of info.  http://www.71superbee.com/

supserdave

As for value, is it complete? 4 speed? What color and options?

70 Charger RT

QuoteAs for value, is it complete? 4 speed? What color and options?
Apparently it's a driver (mostly complete).  I don't know the color, or the options.

I'll try to get more info.
70 Charger R/T - 440/6
07 BMW 328iS
04 GMC SLE 2500 Diesel

konigcharger

Quote from: 70 Charger RT on June 25, 2007, 03:32:41 PM
Any advise on why some of them have the hide-aways?


it depended on wether or not the dealer checked the box

If you have no vision or creative spirit, you can always fall back on the way the factory did it.

Nacho-RT74

Hideaways were SE part of equippment and optional on R/Ts and superbees
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

41husk

Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

1972Rallye

Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

That's correct.  I have seen people do it, though.  I personally don't care for the look...

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

Yeah I know, I never said you weren't wrong :P

is allmost the same about louvered tail lights... they were an option with color keyed bumpers
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Charger1973

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on June 26, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

Yeah I know, I never said you weren't wrong :P

is allmost the same about louvered tail lights... they were an option with color keyed bumpers

:iagree: 

Strange they did it that way, because hideaways and RT lights look good on any 3rd gen no matter what color bumpers it has.

1972Rallye

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on June 26, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

Yeah I know, I never said you weren't wrong :P

is allmost the same about louvered tail lights... they were an option with color keyed bumpers

Nacho... Black louvered tail lights (and grill) were standard on Super Bees (and R/T's) with the colored bumper group. It was part of the package.

konigcharger

Colored Bumper Group
Code A54

(N/A S.E. or with concealed headlights)

included:

Front and Rear Colored Bumpers

Black Painted Grille (Std. R/T and Super Bee)

Louvered Taillights (Std. 500 and R/T)

If you have no vision or creative spirit, you can always fall back on the way the factory did it.

Ghoste

I wish the hideaways would have remained standard at least through 74.  It was a Charger feature from the beginning and it seems a little wrong that they began to "decontent" the car in 71 when the rest of the styling was still sexy enough to deserve the nameplate.  :Twocents:

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: 1972Rallye on June 26, 2007, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on June 26, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

Yeah I know, I never said you weren't wrong :P

is allmost the same about louvered tail lights... they were an option with color keyed bumpers

Nacho... Black louvered tail lights (and grill) were standard on Super Bees (and R/T's) with the colored bumper group. It was part of the package.

no, standart on SBs was regular tail lights and chromed bumpers... colored bumpers have a code for it as stated by konigcharger
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

1972Rallye

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on June 27, 2007, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: 1972Rallye on June 26, 2007, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on June 26, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: 41husk on June 26, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
Natcho, I was told that if you had color keyed bumpers you could not get hideaways from the factory.

Yeah I know, I never said you weren't wrong :P

is allmost the same about louvered tail lights... they were an option with color keyed bumpers

Nacho... Black louvered tail lights (and grill) were standard on Super Bees (and R/T's) with the colored bumper group. It was part of the package.

no, standart on SBs was regular tail lights and chromed bumpers... colored bumpers have a code for it as stated by konigcharger

Nacho - I think we agree with each other... I made it Bold above...  :icon_smile_big:

Nacho-RT74

LOL...I got it now... yes you wanted to mean both were part of equipmen AT THE SAME TIME and not really separatelly... yes we are both agree LOL. I did know that :P

just missunderstood what you posted hahaha
sorry
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

nakita7

I have never seen a 71 Bee with RT/Rallye tailights. Anybody got proof of this?

mikesbbody

if you want proof check out 1972rallye's cars (click on them for pics) or check out the 71superbee.com website, there's quite a few colored bumper super bee's with the rt tailights.

Charger1973

Quote from: nakita7 on June 30, 2007, 12:07:58 AM
I have never seen a 71 Bee with RT/Rallye tailights. Anybody got proof of this?

From 71superbee.com

COLORED BUMPER GROUP* CODE A54
(NA w/CONCEALED HEADLAMPS)

    * Front & Rear Colored Bumpers
    * Black Painted Grille (Std R/T & Super Bee)
    * Louvered Taillights (Std 500 & R/T)


   $21.40



Heres a car from the same site with that option.  Lots of them over there...

http://71superbee.com/Bob_Stewart/#pop01


Also about the hideaways... 


A09      Headlamp, Concealed- Includes inside Hood Release (Std. S.E.) (Super Bee & R/T only)      $65.60

nakita7

Quote from: Charger1973 on June 30, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: nakita7 on June 30, 2007, 12:07:58 AM
I have never seen a 71 Bee with RT/Rallye tailights. Anybody got proof of this?

From 71superbee.com

COLORED BUMPER GROUP* CODE A54
(NA w/CONCEALED HEADLAMPS)

    * Front & Rear Colored Bumpers
    * Black Painted Grille (Std R/T & Super Bee)
    * Louvered Taillights (Std 500 & R/T)


   $21.40



Heres a car from the same site with that option.  Lots of them over there...

http://71superbee.com/Bob_Stewart/#pop01


Also about the hideaways... 


A09      Headlamp, Concealed- Includes inside Hood Release (Std. S.E.) (Super Bee & R/T only)      $65.60


That car has been upgraded with stuff it originally didn't come with. I would say the RT tailights were added (although he doesn't say that). There are others on the site that said they were added. I'd like to see factory photos or a survivor with those tailights.

JohnnyBee

This one is the real deal. A54 option.







41husk

I was told they did away with the hideaways to cut cost.  If the colored bumpers and louvered tail light option was under $25, how much could they have saved cutting the hideaways?
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

JohnnyBee

Hideaways option was $65.60 for the Super Bee and R/T



nakita7

Wow, just when I thought I knew 3rd gens better than the back of my hand! Been into Mopars for 25 years and have NEVER seen louvered tailights on a Bee, or even mentioned. Thanks for posting the window sticker. I never go by 'heresay' with Mopars, I like seeing factory proof.