Who is HLPAG?

[RoscoePColtrain]

How's it going Charger fans,

I am looking for a 1969 Charger.  I've always wanted one since the Dukes of Hazzard came on tv.  I finally have the means to get one or start a partial resto on one but have a few questions: 

Who is HLPAG and what have they done and what are they infamous for???  I've been on their site and they are pretty tempting.  I considered a car from them, but upon further inquiry, it was sold a month later.  I've heard stories of patching up holes with cardboard and bondo'ing over it and noticed the side marker lights are always missing.  Assuming one goes to their garage and inspects the car with intent to purchase is ok, am I missing something here?

Kind Regards

[hutch]

search this site.  I think lots of people have been burned by them over the years from what I have seen.

[Charger74]

Who is HLPAG and what have they done and what are they infamous for??? 

INFAMOUS FOR SCREWING ANYONE AND EVERYONE OUT OF GOOD HARD EARNED MONEY.  Usually with rust bucket piles of junk.....

[Bandit72]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,3692.0.html

[RoscoePColtrain]

Holy crap, that charger is rusted to $hit.  Pardon my lunacy, but I'm assuming AirborneSilva physically looked at the car before pruchasing it?

[Khyron]

Further reason that we need a "Screwed over by HelpGag" thread sticky

[CharlieCharger]

Just stay away from those a$$holes is all you need to know about them.

[BB1]

Hmmmmmmm?...

[Lee01]

As far as the side marker, most of the General Lee didn't have them.
I guess the Shop Chop could use any 68-70 front fender.
Cleaner line too.


HLPAG, to see one in close up, let say they could use glasses.
Look to be complete, let me rephrase that: Look complete but need everything.

[bordin34]

This seems like another one of those threads about them when we eventually realize that it probably is them.
Go Away, if you are them, if not stay.

[CharlieCharger]

This seems like another one of those threads about them when we eventually realize that it probably is them.
Go Away, if you are them, if not stay.

He has a Canadian E-mail address? So who knows..Has that happen when they have came on this board? 

[bordin34]

Im not sure but usually they start the thread with a very similar question and low post count then disapear.

[CharlieCharger]

Im not sure but usually they start the thread with a very similar question and low post count then disapear.

I suppose the nickname would imply as well, since most of there sales are general lees 

[Old Moparz]

Whether it's a legit forum member or not, or whether they stay on the site or not, it still can't hurt to at least mention that a place like hlpag will wait until you bend over, then screw you with a broomstick wrapped in sandpaper & not use any lube. The expression "there's a sucker born every minute" also means that there is someone new to be taken advantage of on a regular basis. There are new people becoming new fans of the old Chargers all the time.

[CharlieCharger]

Whether it's a legit forum member or not, or whether they stay on the site or not, it still can't hurt to at least mention that a place like hlpag will wait until you bend over, then screw you with a broomstick wrapped in sandpaper & not use any lube. The expression "there's a sucker born every minute" also means that there is someone new to be taken advantage of on a regular basis. There are new people becoming new fans of the old Chargers all the time.

I can't help myself join the controversy though...Help me!  Kidding.

[JMF]

I'm no way siding with HLPAG here but just out of interest do these people who have been screwed by them actually go and look at the car before buying? Because no offence to anyone who has but you have to be stupid to buy a 38 year old car unseen if this is the case

[Troy]

I'm no way siding with HLPAG here but just out of interest do these people who have been screwed by them actually go and look at the car before buying? Because no offence to anyone who has but you have to be stupid to buy a 38 year old car unseen if this is the case

Which, unfortunately, is their business model - preying on vulnerable people who have dreams of owning a General Lee (made famous by a show promoting good and honest values). They do sell other cars as well but the concept is the same. However, the answer to your question is both yes and no. The typical customer is probably one who hasn't purchased a classic car before and doesn't spend a lot of time researching on the internet. They are generally also "green" when it comes to spotting problem areas, incorrect/missing parts, or shoddy body work. The "buyer beware" argument is a fine one until you realize that the company is intentionally using this approach to defraud their customers. They've even joked about it in the past (such classy guys). Once upon a time (it may have changed since) you had to pay a fee to even look at a car on their lot. They claim they did this to weed out the riffraff. No picture taking allowed either. I'd say that a very large percentage of their customers purchase sight unseen (based on their pictures) and get the drop-off-at-midnight delivery service.

Going back to my "class" comment - business ethics and customer satisfaction are not something these guys care about. Their attitudes toward past and future customer (and pretty much people in general) are enough to give themselves a bad name. They've been banned from nearly every car forum on the internet. In my experience, I have not heard of a single person who has received what was promised. One of their ex-employees is a member here along with several of their customers. Their stories are documented so I won't recount every one.

This seems like another one of those threads about them when we eventually realize that it probably is them.
Go Away, if you are them, if not stay.

I do have to comment on this... yes, on the old site they would randomly create new user names to promote their business and/or provide "happy customer" testimonials but they were quickly found out. I'm not aware of it happening since the site changed. Please send me a link if they have.

Troy

[Rack]

Troy hit the nail on the head. I didn't buy my '68 from HLPAG but I got screwed nonetheless.

Got an "R/T" - that I'm pretty sure isn't really an R/T, just got the dash switched out - with a running 440 engine. Ended REALLY getting a 383 that hadn't been started in years. Eventhough the auction CLEARLY stated it had a 440 in it Ebay claiimed they could do nothing about it. They said engine size - despite that it ADVERTISED a 440 - didn't matter. They said it could of had a 4 cylinder in it and they would be able to do nothing. I don't see how they can allow people to get away with false advertisement and still be in business.

The sad thing is there was another '68 charger right here in Texas (the one I got was in cali) that went for 2K cheaper but only had a 383 in it. I got the one in cali cuz it needed a little less body work and had a 440. If I'd known the SOB was lying I would of bought the one here in Texas. Would of saved me a lot of money from shipping costs too.

[mikepmcs]

There are other people that build general's around that are more decent and their product seems to be on the upside.

I've heard people saying good things about Scott Lea and Smith bros.  Everyone has their favorites. 

I bought mine from a man in TN by the name of Danny Johnson.

you can read more about this here.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23235.0.html

v/r
Mike

[70charger_boy]

This guy can't be from HLPAG cause his screen name isn't in caps followed by a YEE HAW!!!! and I'm pretty pissed, because I am roscoe_p.coltrane!!!!

[Big Lebowski]

    Who is HLPAG? Satan.

[73dodge]

Hmmmmmmm?...

I agree hmmmmmmmmmm

[SeattleCharger]

Holy crap, that charger is rusted to $hit.  Pardon my lunacy, but I'm assuming AirborneSilva physically looked at the car before pruchasing it?

   The point is is that their description of the car was nothing like what the car turned out to be.  Someone that misleads and scams and cheats and lies about a car to someone that much?  Can't trust em.  And since they screwed over a fellow site member so bad, and did nothing to take care of him, SCREW THEM. 

[Rack]

Holy crap, that charger is rusted to $hit.  Pardon my lunacy, but I'm assuming AirborneSilva physically looked at the car before pruchasing it?

   The point is is that their description of the car was nothing like what the car turned out to be.  Someone that misleads and scams and cheats and lies about a car to someone that much?  Can't trust em.  And since they screwed over a fellow site member so bad, and did nothing to take care of him, SCREW THEM. 

And may they rot in hell.

[miamivice]

if you want a General Lee, do yourself a favor and call the Smith Brothers!

www.smithbrosrestorations.com

...stay away from the HLPAG crooks...

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Someone call satan?  Something about going to Hell?

While I've never met these guys, I've heard nothing but bad from them.  So stay away, if the member is really who he/she says they are.

Ryan

[Shakey]

(made famous by a show promoting good and honest values)

[CharlieCharger]

I have no idea how they are even in business still..It's amazing on how many people are so eager to get there dream project..they don't  bother to look at the car..As per a previous post ..if they were charging a fee to come look at the car? and midnight drops should be a total turn off..although if I was "Green" I wouldn't know any better either.

[ChargerRT440]

I think people are starting to get smarter and getting better at asking questions that may be why their yard is getting less and less full of general clones. and more an more diversity for classics. but still it's best to stay away.

[73dodge]

Two posts and the guys is gone, betcha it was Hans himself logged in from a computer in an internet cafe'. From someplace he was visiting trying to buy a 69 charger that had been submersed in salt water for 20 years so he could dip it in orange paint and slap some stickers on it and create his YEEEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW ebay ad. For a great father son project ready to go runs and everything for only $19,999.00

[bordin34]

This seems like another one of those threads about them when we eventually realize that it probably is them.
Go Away, if you are them, if not stay.

I think I was right

[bull]

This seems like another one of those threads about them when we eventually realize that it probably is them.
Go Away, if you are them, if not stay.

I do have to comment on this... yes, on the old site they would randomly create new user names to promote their business and/or provide "happy customer" testimonials but they were quickly found out. I'm not aware of it happening since the site changed. Please send me a link if they have.

Troy

Maybe they've switched from the phony advertising gimmicks to using the site as market research to find out if they are still maligned and hated?

[Ghoste]

I doubt very much they care.  I would buy the fact that since they think it's funny to steal from people that they log on to troll us about it, but I seriously doubt they give a hairy rats behind about doing market research on their image.

[RoscoePColtrain]

To all those that think I am from HLPAG or affiliated with them, I am NOT.   

I am just a guy looking for a charger to purchase which I plan to convert into a GL.  I've been to the HLPAG website and seen some of their advertisements and they look tempting, especially from the pics and descriptions (minus the country drall). 

[Ghoste]

But you've since figured out they are the opposite of all that's good with the Mopar hobby, right?

[73dodge]

To all those that think I am from HLPAG or affiliated with them, I am NOT.   

I am just a guy looking for a charger to purchase which I plan to convert into a GL.  I've been to the HLPAG website and seen some of their advertisements and they look tempting, especially from the pics and descriptions (minus the country drall). 

You have understand our suspicion

They have logged on here in the past under phony names and defended their tactics and even resorting to name calling to the people they have ripped off.

So you show up post 2 messages and then not post again for a while, we are going to suspect you because that is their MOS.

[RoscoePColtrain]

I'm actually an electronic engineer living in Toronto, working and going to school at the same time.  Unfortunately I don't have the time to check this great site, where I've learned so much valuable information from the vacuum mechanism that works the headlight door to discovering known problems and the appropriate solutions.  I always had a love affair with the 69 Charger, fooled around with a 69 Chevelle for a few years, then my brother-in-law, who is currently restoring a 70 Cuda from the ground up speciically for the track, brought my love affair back for good.

Yes, I've figured out that HLPAG is a place to get taken advantage of and basically screwed over.

[RoscoePColtrain]

I do understand everyones suspicions and trust me I feel for the guy that bought the rusted to Hades Charger from them.  Reading his story really pissed me off and made me even more wary.

[BB1]

Can you change your name? We don't trust Roscoe, him and his little fat buddy are always after them Duke boys.

[70charger_boy]

Can you change your name? We don't trust Roscoe, him and his little fat buddy are always after them Duke boys.

that's a big 10-4 fat little buddy, roger, over and out

[bull]

I doubt very much they care.  I would buy the fact that since they think it's funny to steal from people that they log on to troll us about it, but I seriously doubt they give a hairy rats behind about doing market research on their image.

I agree. I was joking.

[AirborneSilva]

How's it going Charger fans,

I am looking for a 1969 Charger.  I've always wanted one since the Dukes of Hazzard came on tv.  I finally have the means to get one or start a partial resto on one but have a few questions: 

Who is HLPAG and what have they done and what are they infamous for???  I've been on their site and they are pretty tempting.  I considered a car from them, but upon further inquiry, it was sold a month later.  I've heard stories of patching up holes with cardboard and bondo'ing over it and noticed the side marker lights are always missing.  Assuming one goes to their garage and inspects the car with intent to purchase is ok, am I missing something here?

Kind Regards

I'm sure that others have already said this but they are the lowest form of life on this planet, STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!!  Here is my thread on how I got screwed by them http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,3692.0.html  here is the web page that I'm building to let the world know what crooks these guys are http://tonysilvajr.com/Charger.aspx http://tonysilvajr.com/Charger2.aspx  I am not done with the web page yet but you will get the idea..  Do yourself a favor and run from them as fast as you can....

[AirborneSilva]

Holy crap, that charger is rusted to $hit.  Pardon my lunacy, but I'm assuming AirborneSilva physically looked at the car before pruchasing it?

I was living in hawaii at the time and was not able to do both, buy a charger and physically look at it, so I asked another friend to look at the ad, I also called them and asked a couple of questions, like a the good con artists they are I hung up the phone feeling good about doing a deal with them..  Yeah I know, I'm not real bright 

[Lowprofile]

HLPAG=

[AirborneSilva]

I'm no way siding with HLPAG here but just out of interest do these people who have been screwed by them actually go and look at the car before buying? Because no offence to anyone who has but you have to be stupid to buy a 38 year old car unseen if this is the case

Yeah thanks, it's not always as easy as you make it seem!

[Obi-Wan]

i have indeed seen one in person, and not on their lot.

i was coming home from work one day.....i live in Collinsville ILL, anywho, i was on 55 south and to my suprise, at the state police weigh station thingy, there was a GL.

I immediatley flipped a "U-wee" and pulled in to see what was going on.

turns out, the delivery driver (who worked striclty for Hans) was there because the trailer had a blowout.  i was nice and gave him a ride to the local uhaul place to get a patch kit for his tire. 

anyway, i got the skinny on the car, some fellow in TN bought it and was having it delivered.  the driver let me go though the car inside and out, cause i wanted to see for myself the shite that these guys produce.

its was a sloppy thrown together 68, GL paint, old stlye hurricanes, open holes for all the markers, couple busted round tail lenses, and total crap bod work.  the rails were on its last leg, im suprised the frame lasted the whole trip.  long story short, complete POS, from the green 70 highbacks, to the mistreated 318, to the tires, EVERYTHING,

this was while the dukes movie was filming.....so the charger hype wasnt "quite" where it stands now (like the movie or not, prices shot through the roof when word of a movie came out)

driver said owner bought it for around 20k.

we need to rename it "HOGG LUEDKE performance auto group"............cause only Boss Hogg could rip people off that bad and still sleep at night

just my humble $0.02

[ChargerRT440]

I emailed them just for fun about a car and they actually have a good plan of action to sell cars to peope who have read about them heres the speel:
"thanks for getting back to us. i am glad you asked. as you can see there are alot of people out there and we have been in business for years as well! everyone has their right to express their opinion. if you want you are more then welcome to come out and c heck the car for yourself in person. we can do as little or as much as you want on any car as you can see from our main site we have done and are currently doing some very cool projects! i understand completely where you are coming from and i would be doing the same thing. we have foto shoots of our cars w pics of it upside down and inside and out that we email and then from there like i said you are more then welcome to come and check it out before you pick it up or we set up delivery on it."

Good thing I'd rather buy a pos that I know is  pos for cheap and fix it myself instead.

[71gtx]

Can you change your name? We don't trust Roscoe, him and his little fat buddy are always after them Duke boys.