could i see complete pics of 69 charger

[bricklayer]

I'm getting ready to paint and I just don't know what color to paint, my wife likes dark blue i'm leaning towards Hemi orange the kids like sublime the car was orginal with Y2 paint, black vinyl top, black interior i've seen other threads on this site for pics but not really what I am looking for. I would like pics of finished car with hemi orange and dark met. blue and some other colors it is a 1969 charger thanks for your help TOM  PS I would like to thank DADS 69 for the fender i bought from him it took another couple of hundred $ to fix but it was a good rust free fender I would like to apologize to him and thank him for the fender for my car thanks again TOM

[resq302]

check under the general section for a subject of "Got a pic of your charger? Post up.." and you should see tons of different colored chargers.

[HITMAN 149]

either that or ask DS440 to photoshop a couple for you!!! he's reallllllly great a hooking us up!!! check out the photoshop thread!!!!!
tha's your best bet..i think...also, if you have a certain set of wheels you'r thinkin of doing to.... DS440 is GREAT!!!!!!!!! i've bothered him on many occasion, and he's always willing to help!!!!!
good luck....
-JOHN

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

A lot of 69's here


http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/gallery/albums.php

[BlueSS454]

Ask and ye shall receive 

[Mike DC]

           
I really like some of the General Lee orange colors better than the factory "Hemi Orange" body color even if you're not trying to build a GL clone. 
1975 "Corvette Flame Red," and 1970 AMC "Big Bad Orange" are two of them.  CFR is in the later episodes of the TV series, and BBO was the color the 2005 big-screen movie.

Both of the GL orange shades are brighter (and not quite as reddish) as the factory Hemi Orange/Tor Red color.

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I also think sliver/gray metallic always looks badass on a '69 Charger.  Especially when it's a medium or darker gray rather than the brightest silver shades. 
Sorta gives it that "machined from a block of steel" look with the Charger bodylines.

 

[Charger1973]

Hugger Orange   

[69DodgeCharger]

This is a 70 and I'm not sure that I would call it dark blue but it looks pretty good to me.

[Brock Samson]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20771.0.html

i don't think your question in the thread title is worded correctly, perhaps you'll get more and better responses if you reword the title..

anyhoos... there are other threads regarding dark blues and oranges and sublimes...
i'll search for the dark blue ones since that's my Fav. i'll let the orange and sub-lime guys dig up the others if they so choose...
good luck with whatever you decide...

[Mike DC]

 
Beware that film/video screens will affect colors. 
I mean it seriously  affects them.  A lot. 
You have to see paint colors in person to be sure what you're getting.


Same car, same time, but two different cameras:

[bricklayer]

Mike DC witch one of those pics looks more like the true color? and is that A factory color, The pic on the left looks like my car did before it was stripped of the paint, and I don't think it was V2 paint I know I don't want my car to look like the pic on the left> I knew this would happen ready to paint and still trying to decide on the color Thanks  TOM

[Captain D]

Swete lookin' pics! I'm restoring my Charger to a GL, and I too am interested in learning as much as I can about the paints.

BTW, I do like that "Hugger Orange." I was kind of torn between the Hemi-Orange and the Big Bad Orange. I was leaning towards the Hemi-Orange because it seems that this shade is popular with the GL and it's a shade that existed in 1969 for authentic reasons. But, the Big bad Orange is also one that caught my eye. Does anyone have any pics of the Big Bad Orange on hand by chance?

Now, I'm torn with the Hugger-Orange...decisions....decisions....

[Charger1973]

That Hugger Orange car belongs to GNRL01, and I will tell you that he had it next to 100+ other GLs in Nashville last summer and in my opinion it was the best looking color of them all. 

If you go to his website http://midwestgeneralleeclub.com you will find some more pics of his car. 

[Captain D]

Thank you for the info!

I apologize Bricklayer, I don't mean to hijack your thread; that's not my intention buddy.

But if I may ask more questions about this "Hugger-Orange" here, since we're discussing it, that'll be great. The Hugger-Orange looks more reddish than the Hemi-Orange and the Big Bad Orange. Is that right? If so, does it have more red color to it than compared to the 75' Corvette Flame-Red or less? Or is it pretty dang close to the 75' Corvette-Flame-Red?

Also, when did the Hugger-Oranges begin being used? Is it a color that was typical in the 1960's, 1970's, ect...?

Thank you for any replies,
Aaron

[Charger1973]

I honestly dont know too much about the color other than I like the look of it.  It looks different in different light.  You should sign up over there and im sure Don could tell you more but heres a few pics I have taken of his car.

[Mike DC]

 
Here you go. 

I did this pic a couple of years ago for the Confederate General Lee forum.  It finally ended some of the orange color discussions that were being repeated over and over again.  It's all samples of DuPont acrylic enamel, sprayed onto plastic-coated white posterboard, and photographed outdoors in the direct sunlight.



It's important to realize that this pic can only give you an idea about how the colors relate to EACH OTHER and not how any of the colors look by themselves.  I messed with the color/contrast/brightness in photoshop to make the differences between the shades a little bit more obvious.  (The photoshop changes were slight.  And I never cut out & altered any of those shades in the shot invidiually.) 



Oh yeah, this is potentially important too:
You know that "1975 Corvette Flame Red" color?  The year is important.  The 1974-76 shade they used on the GLs is NOT the same as the more well-known "Corvette Flame Red" color from the 1960s!

   

[Brock Samson]

  Isn't that Hugger orange the Chevy color from '69?..
If so Then pics of  Camaros would be good to eyeball too...
I like it alot myself... Generallee.. 

[Captain D]

Charger1973 & Mike DC - Thank you for the replies, pics, and, info!

The midwestgeneralleeclub.com site is simply awesome. I'm signed up and I can't get enough of reading about the General's details! I want to learn as much as I can so that I can do it right as much as I can the first time round.' Thanks again!

Aaron

[BlueSS454]

Hugger Orange and Hemi Orange are close in comparison colors.  I looked up the manufactuer codes and they are only a few digits off from one another.  The GM code for Hugger Orange is 1969 GM code 72, Ditzler code 2084.  The Hemi Orange is Ditzler code 2186 meaning the Hemi Orange has a bit more red tint in it.

[Captain D]

BlueSS454 - Thank you for the info! Just to double-check about these codes listed: When I go to have my Charger painted, are these all of the codes/numbers that I need to give them? For example, if I choose to go with the Hugger-Orange, all that I have to do is give them: "Hugger Orange: 1969 GM code 72, Ditzler code 2084." Is that right?

Also, when it says "1969 GM Code," it means that this shade of orange is authentic for the year 1969? It appears so, so I apologize if this is a dumb question, I'd just thought that I'd ask.

And lastly, it seems that the "75' Corvette Flame-Red" is actually LESS orange than the Hugger/Hemi Orange based on the examples given. I was always under the impression that it was the other way around. It could just be the changes of color on my monitor. But, when researching the General Lee, I just thought that the 75' Corvette Flame-Red actually had MORE red to it than the Hemi-Orange....Can anyone help to clarify this for me?

Thank you again for your time,
Aaron

[Mike DC]

And lastly, it seems that the "75' Corvette Flame-Red" is actually LESS orange than the Hugger/Hemi Orange based on the examples given. I was always under the impression that it was the other way around. It could just be the changes of color on my monitor. But, when researching the General Lee, I just thought that the 75' Corvette Flame-Red actually had MORE red to it than the Hemi-Orange....Can anyone help to clarify this for me?

This issue is exactly why we went through so many questions/discussions about these orange colors on the GL discussion boards.

It is the names of the colors that are misleading.  The relationships between the shades in the comparison pic ARE accurate.

You're not the first one to think that "Hemi Orange" would be the yellower of the shades, and surely something called "Flame RED" would be the more red-ish one.  But it's not the case.  Many of the common assumptions about which is more red/yellow/bright/dark than another are actually wrong, and the factory-assigned names for the shades can't be relied upon at all.

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You have to forget about trying to pick a color based on its name.  The factories sometimes re-used popular colors under multiple different names, and they sometimes re-used popular names on more than one color shade over the years too. 

GM's "Hugger Orange" was also called "Carousel Red" when it was sprayed onto a Pontiac.

"Corvette Flame Red" was one color in 1968 and a totally different one in 1975.  And the 1975 CFR was also listed as "Corvette Orange Flame" in at least one other place.

Mopar's "Hemi Orange" is a total mess.   It was one color for the body panels but another shade for the engines.  The body-panel HO was called "Tor-Red" when it came on a Plymouth.  And there's "RACE Hemi Orange" for the earlier '60's engines that is different from the late-60s engine paint.  And now DCX has released a new "Hemi Orange" body paint color for trucks that's a dark metallic-ish orange and looks nothing like any of the old HO shades . . . 

       

[Captain D]

MikeDC - Thank you for the reply and for the info! I can see why there can be so many heated discussions when debating the General Lee orange.

I agree with you 100%, the "names" of the colors can be misleading. I suppose the reason why I always thought that the 75' Corvette Flame-red was more reddish than the Hemi-Orange was that I thought I read somewhere that they used the 75 CFR towards the end of the TV show, which was why the General looked a lil' darker/redder than the earlier, Georgia, General Lees.' But, I can understand now that may not be the case...

The 75' Corvette Flame-Red may be what I'm looking for seeing how not only it's a shade confirmed to be one of the shades used on the Generals, but also it's not "too red" nor "too orange" which is what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a good in-between orange and red.

Thank you again for the response and info, I've enjoyed learning about these things,
Aaron

[Corellian Corvette]

There's a good comparison shot here as well

http://www.hazzardretreat.com/buildageneral.asp

[BlueSS454]

BlueSS454 - Thank you for the info! Just to double-check about these codes listed: When I go to have my Charger painted, are these all of the codes/numbers that I need to give them? For example, if I choose to go with the Hugger-Orange, all that I have to do is give them: "Hugger Orange: 1969 GM code 72, Ditzler code 2084." Is that right?

Also, when it says "1969 GM Code," it means that this shade of orange is authentic for the year 1969? It appears so, so I apologize if this is a dumb question, I'd just thought that I'd ask.

And lastly, it seems that the "75' Corvette Flame-Red" is actually LESS orange than the Hugger/Hemi Orange based on the examples given. I was always under the impression that it was the other way around. It could just be the changes of color on my monitor. But, when researching the General Lee, I just thought that the 75' Corvette Flame-Red actually had MORE red to it than the Hemi-Orange....Can anyone help to clarify this for me?

Thank you again for your time,
Aaron

All you should need is the Car Manufacturer's code to get your paint.  I just referenced the Ditzler code for comparison.  Should you choose to use the Hugger Orange, it is 1969 GM code 72.  It was used predominantly on GM cars in 1969 and was a special order color in 1970.  It also is called Monaco Orange when used on Chevelle applications, same color, different name.  If you want, I can take a pic next week of a Corvette painted Hugger Orange next to my Charger which is painted 1969-1972 Chrysler Hemi Orange.  I also can give you the exact gram weights and DuPont tint numbers from the paint I used on the Charger

[Captain D]

Thanks guys for the responses,

BlueSS454  - Thank you for the info, and yeah, I'd love to see the pic. Just let me know when you're ready to send it. Thank you!

Corellian Corvette - Yes, I believe it was this link where I read that the 75' Corvette Flame-Red was actually darker/more reddish than the Hemi-Orange (which was why I was a lil' confused when Mike DC posted the samples for us to view and I wondered why the 75' Corvette Flame-Red has "LESS" red in it when compared to the Hemi-Orange in the samples). Because here is the description written under the "Dukes of Hazzard Retreat/Build a Replica General Lee":

Group Replica Photo
A collection of GL replicas from the 25th Anniversary jump showing off the various colors. The lightest color is the Vitamin C Orange, the darkest GLs will be Flame Red and the in between is Hemi Orange.

In this specific pic, and according to the description, it shows us these three shades of orange: Vitamin C, Hemi, and 75' CFR. They say that the 75' CFR is the "darkest" orange/red shade...which is why I am a lil' baffled with Mike DC's samples showing us that the Hemi-Orange is DARKER than the 75' Corvette Flame-Red. But, based on the "Dukes of Hazzard Retreat/Build a Replica General Lee," it is just the opposite (which was why I was originally leaning towards the Hemi-Orange at first based on this bit of info).

I'm certainly not trying to disprove Mike DC at all in the least, I greatly respect all of your input, I'm just trying to clarify everything as best as I can. For authentic purposes, I'm looking for what was used on an actual General Lee during the TV show, as well as something that doesn't have too much "orange" and not too much "red."

I just thought that I would post and show where I am confused...
Aaron

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

PLUM CRAZY!!!!!!!

[Mike DC]

I disagree with that particular detail of the GL details website.  (Although I'm not knocking that site. That is a LOT of very accurate info as a whole.)  '75 CFR isn't red-ish or dark.  It looks more like a brighter version of the Plasti-Kote "Hemi Orange" engine enamel cans that you'd find in an auto-parts store.

'75 CFR is the yellow-est out of any of the GM/Mopar colors being considered.  More yellow than Hemi orange body paint.  More yellow than "Hugger." And very slightly more yellow than AMC "Big Bad Orange" (used on the 2005 movie GLs).  The only orange shade more yellow-ish than '75 CFR that you might be considering is Mopar's "Vitamin C/Go Mango" color.  And VC/GM is pretty darn yellow for a GL.

I'm so convinced of this issue because I've literally spend hundreds of dollars buying orange paint shades figuring all this stuff out.  In the case of '75 CFR in particular, I've bought cans of it 4-5 different times from at least 2 different paint shops over the years.  It definitely ain't "red" as long as they give you the correct stuff. 
And like I said, the 1970's CFR shade was also sold under the name "Corvette Orange Flame."


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Here's the short answer on accurate GL orange color shades:

Georgia episodes:  Their builder personally told me "Vette Flame Red," but the guys restoring LEE#1 said it turned out to be a custom ACME paint shade.  Whatever it is, it doesn't look drastically different from CFR.

Valuzet (early California, narrow pushbars) episodes:  Unknown color, picked just because it looked so simliar to the GA-cars' color.  Might be a tad more red but nothing major.  The builders didn't remember what it was when asked about it in 2004.

WB-built car (later Cali, all of the wide-pushbar GLs) episodes:  '75 CFR.  This one is recalled by the TV crew with no doubts.  Computer-matching attempts of the surviving cars/parts usually call it '75 CFR, but there has been at least one time that the computer called it AMC "Big Bad Orange."

DOH "Reunion" TV-movie cars:  Custom-mixed color, done hastily to match the single surviving old-series car they had to work from (which was '75 CFR).

2005 movie cars:  AMC's "Big Bad Orange."  No question on this one either.  Diehard DOH fans were consulted about building the GLs for the movie, and diehard DOH fans were there watching the cars being built.

       

[bricklayer]

OK then: I guess i'm not really ready for paint yet. that blue 70 with the white stripe  looks good  lots of beautiful cars..I guess it really dosen't matter what color I use any color on that car looks good I just need to find the right color for me. thanks and keep it coming  TOM

[Captain D]

bricklayer - Yeah, a lot of good info here on paints! Again, I apologize if I had hijacked your thread, my friend.

Mike DC - "Thank you" for your clarifications! This is just the type of info that I am looking for. No doubt you have spent a lot of time, and money, in conducting your research and I applaud your efforts!

Even though the "Hugger-Orange" looks very appealing, I'll go with the 75' Corvette Flame-Red simply because I am restoring my Charger as accurately to the General Lee as I possibly can (and the shade of orange is perfect for what I like, as well).

Again, "thank you" for the replies, and to Mike DC for taking the time to answer my questions on the General Lee.
High regards to all,
Aaron

[bricklayer]

Yea no problem here Captain D although I'm not building A General Lee car just not sure what color to paint my car I thought I wanted Hemi orange but now i"m not sure maybe i would like a darker color keeping in mind my black interior and black vinyl top but i could do away with the top if the color dictiactes that and the RT/T stripe that also has to blend so to speak with body color Etc... 

[Charger-Bodie]

id paint it the original yellow!!!

[bricklayer]

I thought about the orginal Y2 but it  dosen't do anything for me maybe i'm wrong i don't know