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Who from the board here is going to Mopars @ E-town this coming weekend???

Started by resq302, May 12, 2007, 07:59:57 PM

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resq302

Pretty much what the subject title says..... Who from the board here is going to the Mopars @ E-town show May 19th and 20th?  I will be there and be in the stock class for 1969 Dodge B body if it is the same categorys as last year.  I will also have a color copy of the opening screen Dodgecharger.com logo with my screen name under it on my dash so everyone can easily identify me.   Feel free to stop in and say hi and shoot some BS about the car. :wave:  Hope to see everyone there and hope for nice weather.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

moparjohn

Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

BlueSS454

Brian,

I'm coming up on Sunday.  The Charger won't be making it, but maybe I'll bring the unrestrored '72 Fury.  Either way, I'll be there.
Tom Rightler

resq302

Quote from: moparjohn on May 12, 2007, 08:36:10 PM
Save a spot for me (LOL) I'll be there early as always.

John, you going in stock again or light mod?

Quote from: BlueSS454 on May 12, 2007, 08:41:34 PM
Brian,

I'm coming up on Sunday. The Charger won't be making it, but maybe I'll bring the unrestrored '72 Fury. Either way, I'll be there.

Tom,  either way it would be good to see you again.  You just have to bring the charger next year.

Ok.....so far two other members from here are in.  Who else?  C'mon people, this is going to be a party!!!!!!!!!
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

moparjohn

Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

Chris G.

Quote from: moparjohn on May 13, 2007, 12:54:05 PM
light mod.

Why light mod John? It's just your wheels that are different on your ride I thought?

Either way, if they judged by the way cars left the factory, yours should win every year. Not many around with a hole in the roof, that get driven across the country all year. And it's green, which I likey. :thumbs:

moparjohn

I dunno, rims are stock type but bigger no trim rings, different carb (Holley) elect. ign., TTI exhaust, It doesn't matter to me what class just having fun!
Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

moparjohn

Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

resq302

John,

Is the TTI exhaust new?  I don't remember your car having that last year. :scratchchin:  And like always, I'd swap cars with you anytime. :yesnod:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

moparjohn

Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

resq302

Damn, guess my eye sight is really getting bad. :rotz:  Still can't wait to see what you did to your engine compartment while you had the engine being worked over.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

moparjohn

Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Special Dodgecharger.com member treat at the back of my car Sat and Sun for those who are interested.  Unfortunately, it will not be alcoholic as they do not permit it on the show field.  But it will be refreshing none the less. :icon_smile_cool:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

BrianShaughnessy

I'm planning on going Saturday.   Well... hoping to at least.

Frankly, I don't want to race OR show right now.     I just want to get there early enuf so I don't blowup another coil waiting in line for the pot head boy scouts at the ticket booth .   Chris's old spare works too good ;D
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on May 15, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
I'm planning on going Saturday.   Well... hoping to at least.

Frankly, I don't want to race OR show right now.     I just want to get there early enuf so I don't blowup another coil waiting in line for the pot head boy scouts at the ticket booth .   Chris's old spare works too good ;D

Ahh.... memories! ;)

Brian S, us SI guys will be meeting the NJ cartel at the Wal-mart parking lot of Rt 9 like we did last year.....Chris G will be waiting there.
We are leaving SI @ 7:30 from the Outerbridge.  We'll probably be at that spot around 7:45 or so.....
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Chris G.

So far the typical weather report for Mopar weekend (chance of rain). I hear it's supposed to be pretty nice though, so let's hope for it.

I wanna know what the special dc.com treat is. :P I'm hoping for gift certificates for Jack's, but somehow I doubt it.  ;D

Stop by my car and get a registry fridge magnet in your choice of color.  :icon_smile_wink:

resq302

Chris G.,

The special treat is not money or g/c's.  Basically because I am married and have a child.  Plus financing the charger is not that easy either.   :rofl:  Anyway, I am sure it is something that eveyone will like and will be readily welcomed especially on a warm day.  Again, no its not a cold beer even though that would certainly have been welcomed by many including me.  A little hint,  it comes in lots of colors......
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

BrianShaughnessy

Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on May 15, 2007, 01:31:12 PM

Brian S, us SI guys will be meeting the NJ cartel at the Wal-mart parking lot of Rt 9 like we did last year.....Chris G will be waiting there.
We are leaving SI @ 7:30 from the Outerbridge.  We'll probably be at that spot around 7:45 or so.....


I'll be there if at all possible but don't hold up the bus for me if I don't.  :cheers:
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

Chris G.

Quote from: resq302 on May 15, 2007, 08:33:58 PM
A little hint,  it comes in lots of colors......

I'm guessing Gatorade or Skittles.  :P What do i win?

I'm assuming quarter drinks are those little grenade like plastic bottles with orange drink or fruit punch?

resq302

Quote from: Chris G. on May 16, 2007, 05:49:40 AM
Quote from: resq302 on May 15, 2007, 08:33:58 PM
A little hint,  it comes in lots of colors......

I'm guessing Gatorade or Skittles.  :P What do i win?

Wrong and Wrong.  Close on the Gatorade though but it is also not fruit punch.  Also, this will depend on if it is raining or not since it will have to be done basically out of the back of my trunk. 

Seems like they are calling for mid 60s now.  This would have been better on days like yesterday and today with temps in the 80s.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Just 6T9 CHGR

See, some of you soft NJ guys who didn't grow up in 'da hood like some of us NY'ers wouldn't know what a quarter drink was or a "loosie" for that matter.....   :P


Quote from: Chris G. on May 16, 2007, 05:49:40 AM


I'm assuming quarter drinks are those little grenade like plastic bottles with orange drink or fruit punch?

the exception being my brother from another mother who knew :cheers:


PS----I'd rather sit comfortably on a 60º day rather than roast on an 80º day..... :yesnod:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Well, this item can still be enjoyed on a 60 degree day as well.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Chris G.

Friday is a wash at this point. If chances of showers increase (it's at 40% now for Saturday) by tomorrow, you can forget about Saturday. Sunday might be good, but I can't go that day.  :RantExplode:

dd44068

I will be there, which day dont know depends on weather but without the charger :-*

resq302

Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

bill440rt

Ahhh,,,, the proverbial rain at the Mopar show at E-town. AGAIN!!  :brickwall:

I'm really hoping Saturday holds out, doesn't look too good, though. I'll play it by ear that morning.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

BrianShaughnessy

Quote from: bill440rt on May 17, 2007, 08:08:05 AM

I'm really hoping Saturday holds out, doesn't look too good, though. I'll play it by ear that morning.


I hear that...
Black Betty:  1969 Charger R/T - X9 440 six pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana 60.
Sinnamon:  1969 Charger R/T - T5 440, 727, 3.23 8 3/4 high school sweetheart.

Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


johntpr

I'm going but this rain crap is like clockwork..every year for this show..such a bummer

Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Chris G.

Actually, if you look at weather.com today, it looks like Saturday might be ok. It's been downgraded to a 40% chance. Let's hope by 5pm today it's even lower.

bill440rt

Quote from: Chris G. on May 18, 2007, 06:00:57 AM
Actually, if you look at weather.com today, it looks like Saturday might be ok. It's been downgraded to a 40% chance. Let's hope by 5pm today it's even lower.


Not only that, my northeastern brothers, but now they're also calling for a 40% chance of scattered t-storms on Sunday! Woo-HOO!!!   :flush:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

resq302

Break out your sundance shoes and pray for sun or at least cloudy weather.  Anything but that wet crap! :RantExplode:  Maybe if we are lucky, it will speed up and do all of its bad weather tonight.

Also, members of Dodgecharger.com who will be attending the E-town show, please stop by sometime during the weekend as I made a special sign board up for Mike and Mr. Angry to wish them luck on the actual Bull Run.  Be nice if we can get a group shot of the members in attendance there and send it to him.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Chris G.

Oh well, just shot up to 70% chance for tomorrow. My weekend is done.  :-\

Have fun on Sunday boys.

69 charger man

hey.. whos car was parked next to a burnt orange 70 i believe?? i seen a green charger(f8) and it looked like their back window was in backwards( curved in ward) i looked, but no one was around the car when i was there..
-ray

resq302

Wow.  Let me just say that this weekend was filled with a lot of highs and lows.  The highs were I met up with a bunch of people from the board and it was good to put faces to the screen names.  JOHNTPR was nice enough to take me for a spin in his 440 4 spd daytona and then even let me get some miles on it behind the driver seat.  Let me say that was one sweet original ride.  John, here is one for you :2thumbs: :cheers:  I was also able to help MoparJohn pick up a correct fan shroud and radiator cap for his ride plus some other much needed pieces.

Hopefully everyone enjoyed the suprise I was able to do on Sunday since Sat was too rainy.  Seemed like lots of people enjoyed the snow cones as I had 10 different flavors.

The downside of the weekend was that it was typical E-town Mopar weather with rain and sun intermixed at times.  The show field was really bare on Sat hopefully cause of the weather and still had a lot of empty spaces on Sunday.  The vendors seemed to be down in attendance again this year.  This used to be a really nice show.  Hopefully the downward spiral does not continue and they can throw some new life into this show. :rotz:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Chris G.

You guys lucked out big time on Sunday. What a great day that was. The shows does have potential, but as long as whoever is running it, it won't last long. :rotz:

I'm guessing everyone got a trophy?

resq302

Seemed like if you showed up on Sat you got a trophy no matter what.  Sunday, I got a second place in the stock category only losing to Bill Mann (who had his sweet plum crazy 70 R/T there).  As for the light modified class, I could not stick around as I had to get back to my in laws cause my daughter was not feeling well all weekend and my wife wanted to get her back home to her normal surroundings. 

Congrats to all the winners on Sat and Sunday.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

bill440rt

Where do I even begin on this? There are some major disappointments in life, like your first break up, losing your first goldfish, having your cat run over by the garbage truck, and so on. Then there's Mopars at E-town, a.k.a. the Mopar Atlantic Nats. Nats?? Really??

This very same show 15 years ago was the Mopar mecca of the Northeast, & has slowly crawled into the bowels of the E-town porta-potties. Aside from seeing all the great Mopar people I've come to meet over the past several years, including several members of this board, I can honestly say I was actually bored at a Mopar show.

The size of the show on Saturday was pathetic, I guess the pending rain had something to do with it. I packed the car up early due to the rain, hence forfeiting any shot at a trophy. That was totally fine by me, I'll forego the 20" tall plastic figurine if it saves me a week of cleaning rain fallout residue under my car. Another member here along with myself are invited to attend the Greenwich Concours de'Elegance on June 2nd, he wisely left his car home due to the bad weather.

Sunday was a little better, a few more cars, a few less swap meet vendors. Much better weather. Still got to talk to some great people. And, enjoyed a delicious, refreshing purple snow cone from resq302. (Hey so what, it matched my car....)
Congrats to everyone on their winnings, hope to see you again at Carlisle!!!!
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Just 6T9 CHGR

I have to agree with Bill & others, the show is defiantly going down hill.  I attribute a lot of it to the weather but other factors have ruined it as well...
I will support the show as long as its around though :cheers:
PS--thanks for the cone Brian :cheers:

Would have never guessed in a million years what the "special surprise" was  :rotz:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Ok, ok, so the "snow cone suprise" wasn't a million dollars or jello shots like some people had thought.  Who knows.... maybe next year if the show is even still around.   :shruggy:  All I know is that a bunch of people enjoyed it cause the heat was starting to get up there.

Bill, very well put.  Its a shame as I started coming down to this maybe 5 years or so ago and have seen it just go down hill since there.  Maybe all the show needs is some publicity instead of sending out the flyer a week before the pre-reg is due?  Maybe have some special people come by one day.  Something needs to be done cause I don't give this show more than 5 years before it is no show at all unless they make some changes and make them fast.  Granted, the LX cars were there and I have no fault with the next generation enjoying their cars like we do.  Lets face it.... can a young kid afford the price of our cars today?  I highly doubt it unless his dad is Donald Trump or someone like that.  The newer LX cars have the speed, handling, and lower price tags than our cars do (but our cars are still much more fun).  As long as people are still interested in cars, our hobby will strive.  Maybe when they get older, they will be able to afford cars that we have now.  The AACA has something called "Take a kid to a car show" which I think is a great way to introduce the younger generation to our cars and get them excited about the hobby like we are.  If interest is not spread and promoted, the hobby will unfortunately die.  Shame that they don't have a suggestion box and listen to what people suggest.

On a similar note, most of the people that came up to talk to me at my car that were working on their charger or in the process of looking for one, I asked if they knew about this site.  The majority of them were not aware that a "Charger site" actually was around.  Good news for here as that we will probably get more members and be able to help fellow car enthusiasts.   :yesnod:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Chris G.

So does anyone have any pics? I didn't take any, but was hoping someone might have.  :shruggy: Maybe even a pic of the snow machine? I will gladly pay cash to see a pic of either Bill or Chris eating their cone.  :yesnod: ;)

resq302

Sadly, I brought a digital camera only to take it out and try to take a photo with the thing not working.  It helps when you have a set of GOOD or fully charged batteries in it. :brickwall: :RantExplode:   Oh well.   Better luck next year.  Looks like I will have to bring it again as it seemed to be such a good success.  Maybe two days of it next year if we get decent weather like this Sunday.

The snow cone set up I could possilby get a pic of tomorrow. ;)
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

BlueSS454

I have a bunch of pics that I will upload and post a link to.  I didn't get every car, but did get quite a few.  Here is my take on that show.....
I have never been up there before and I think my expectations were way too high because I ended up leaving at 1 PM.  I was expecting a couple hundred cars in the show, not even close.  The swap meet portion was ok, I picked up a few things I needed for the Charger.  What really annoyed me was the whole deal with the "Mopar Survivors".  No where on any paperwork that I saw did it say that class was for a certain little "click".  Some of you may have seen the 72 Fury under the tent with the other "survivors", that car is mine.  When I got there, they classed me in class 55 Unrestored.  No one told me anything about what that was about, I was under the impression that class was for any unrestored car.  Around 12:30 I got back over there to put some stuff in the trunk and this old lady starts giving me an attitude about the whole ordeal like I would know about their little "click".  Then she made the mistake of trying to differentiate what her perception of unrestored is.  Let's just say we didn't see eye to eye on that and it resulted in me getting pissed off and leaving even though I did bite my tongue big time.  I sincerely doubt I'll waste my time taking the Charger up there next year.  I think I'll stick to the Car B Q down here in my neck of the woods and maybe take a trip out the Nationals in Carlisle next year.
I did enjoy hanging out with Brian and MoparJohn though, and that fruit punch snow cone was awesome, hit the spot.
Tom Rightler

BlueSS454

Tom Rightler

71ChallengeHer

I was thinking about going but the starter went out on my daily driver so I had to get that fixed. Nice pics. Maybe I can go next year.

resq302

Tom,

Nice pic of my car.  Thanks buddy. :thumbs:  I mainly go to this show not for the popularity of it but because it is fairly close to me and it gives me a chance to meet up with people that I only get a chance to talk to on the board here.   As for the survivors tent, yes there can be some "clicks" with them but I know the people with the black 70 Charger are down to earth people.  Don't let one bad apple spoil the rest of the show for you.  It was really good to see everyone again and that is the main reason why I will keep going.  Hopefully, they can turn the downward swing of this show around and get it back the type of show it used to be.

Now...... what can I do for next year......smoothie maker?  hot dog cart?  Gotta start thinking as E-town is only like 360 days away. :ahum: :scratchchin:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto