R/Ts with 383s

[dpm68]

Okay, I work at a shop that specializes in Dodge and Plymouths and (while the owner was away) a Mopar transmission specalist came in. Of course we began yapping about the 727 in my 68 R/T and he eventually said that there were R/Ts with 383s. I said not true, that you could only get a 68-70 R/T Charger with either a 440, like mine, or a HEMI, wish mine was like...we disagreed. Is he for real, or has he lost his mind?

[Magnumcharger]

Yeah, Challenger R/T's had 383s in 1970 and 71.

[Big Lebowski]

What he said. My uncle was an original owner of his '70 Challenger R/T 383 conv. Back in '83, he wanted $1600 for it. I passed because Chargers could be bought for $400. I said..."$1600!! Come on, I could buy four Chargers for that." Now it's worth what? $60-70-80k

[pettyfan43]

Challengers YES, Chargers, NO.

[bull]

A Mopar specialist, eh? Since when, March?

[C500]

A Mopar specialist, eh? Since when, March?

[pettyfan43]

A Mopar specialist, eh? Since when, March?

That's funny. Hey Do this. We KNOW he's full of it, the burden of proof is on HIM, tell him to put up or shut up! Tell him you'll give him 500 buchs if he can show you a 68-70 Charger with an XS29 that originally came with a 383!

That should end it, if NOT show him this board. Cuz I promise you, I know more about those cars than he ever will!

[Troy]

There were no Coronet R/Ts with 383s either. I think the Challenger is the only exception. Since I'm big into facts and proof, I agree with pettyfan43 - have him show you one.

Troy

[dpm68]

I couldn't agree more, but this is one of these situations where I should not argue too much. I ended up saying that every 68-70 Charger R/T that "I"  have ever seen or heard of has either a 440 or a hemi...I know he's full of shit. I am going to talk to the owner of our shop today, he's in the RPM club (a Mopar-oriented weekly yapping and gearhead think tank) here in Denver and should agree with me. This guy seems like one of those know-it-alls who has the last word for anything.

[MichaelRW]

For the flip side of this. Were there any 1970 non R/T Chargers that came from the factory with 440's? The reason I ask this is I was talking to another car show entrant a couple years ago that had a 1970 black on black Charger with a 440 he claimed came from the factory that way.

He said in 1970 he worked at the local Dodge dealer and bought the car new. I always thought only the R/T's got the 440. He claimed that at the end of the 1970 model year production run that Chrysler just wanted to use up parts and were building cars anyway they wanted too. I remain skeptical. What do you guys think?

[69charger2002]

no that started in 1971. where you could get a "U code" charger and not necessarily be an R/T..rallye, superbee, 500 or whatever..  in 68-70, ALL and i mean ALL 440 and hemi chargers were R/T's, and anything that came with a /6, 318, or 383 was a non R/T. that's all there is to it. they kept it simple back then, because there was no need to jumble up perfection with crazy hoods, badges, and made up names to make a car sound better.
trav

[41husk]

I have had this discussion with others, but could The Challenger R/T be ordered with a 340?  I have been told only big blocks but I have seen R/Ts with a 340.  May have been an owner switch but why would you take a real R/T that had a big block and down size?  I know the E-bodies handle much better with the small block, infact I prefer it, but if I owned a real R/T that was supposed to have a big block, I would have a big block in it.

[Big Lebowski]

Except for the 1 of 1 '70 Charger 500 w/ a Hemi.

[bull]

I have had this discussion with others, but could The Challenger R/T be ordered with a 340?  I have been told only big blocks but I have seen R/Ts with a 340.  May have been an owner switch but why would you take a real R/T that had a big block and down size?  I know the E-bodies handle much better with the small block, infact I prefer it, but if I owned a real R/T that was supposed to have a big block, I would have a big block in it.

It's more likely they put R/T badges on a 340 car than put a 340 in a 383 or 440 car. I'm not an expert but I'm about 99% sure there was no such thing as a factory 340 R/T Challenger.

[CHARGERMAN2007_69]

Ya ive got an 1971 dodge charger se 500 and it originally had a superbee 383

[71gtx]

I have had this discussion with others, but could The Challenger R/T be ordered with a 340?  I have been told only big blocks but I have seen R/Ts with a 340.  May have been an owner switch but why would you take a real R/T that had a big block and down size?  I know the E-bodies handle much better with the small block, infact I prefer it, but if I owned a real R/T that was supposed to have a big block, I would have a big block in it.

It's more likely they put R/T badges on a 340 car than put a 340 in a 383 or 440 car. I'm not an expert but I'm about 99% sure there was no such thing as a factory 340 R/T Challenger.

in 1971 you can a 340 R/T Challenger or 383  R/T Challenger   


there are no 1970  340 R/T Challengers

[71gtx]

" 1971 U code" charger  are a rt se  super bee no 500

[hemigeno]

in 68-70, ALL and i mean ALL 440 and hemi chargers were R/T's, and anything that came with a /6, 318, or 383 was a non R/T.

Except for the 1 of 1 '70 Charger 500 w/ a Hemi.

Besides what BigL pointed out, the order form for the '69 model year did show that you could order a regular (non-R/T) XP Charger with the 426 Hemi.  There's only one car that I've ever seen that looks like it may have been built that way.  This thread shows some pictures of it, and it's been discussed more than a few times on this site in other threads:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,27861.0.html

I guess it is possible that there are more '69 non-R/T HemiChargers out there, but I've only seen the one.  That '70 XP29R0G car is fairly well known and documented, but I don't think there are more examples than that one either.  As far as what Trav said, I agree with that statement when it comes to 440's.  Exactly why there are these few oddball examples of non-R/T HemiChargers is not clear - not only is it puzzling, but it's counterintuitive.  The 1969 order forms (and other paperwork I have) also says that you could not get an RT/SE with the 426 engine that year.  Go figure.   

[Charger1970]

I said not true, that you could only get a 68-70 R/T Charger with either a 440, like mine, or a HEMI

Don't forget the '70 440+6.   

[Big Lebowski]

I said not true, that you could only get a 68-70 R/T Charger with either a 440, like mine, or a HEMI

Don't forget the '70 440+6.   

  All 683 of them I think, or something like 337 autos & rest were 4-speeds.

[2fast4u]

Except for the 1 of 1 '70 Charger 500 w/ a Hemi.

   I've never heard of this one, but would like to see this!  Is there any photos of this car that some has and can post?

2fast

[pettyfan43]

Look in this thread

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,27883.0.html


There she be

[hemi-hampton]

Fact, in 1971 the 383 was Standard in the Challenger R/T. The 340 was a option. LEON.

[41husk]

In 70 was the 340 six pack onl available on the TA, or could that option be ordered?

[TeeWJay426]

In 70 was the 340 six pack onl available on the TA, or could that option be ordered?

T/A only.... (or AAR Cuda)

[Ghoste]

And probably also worth pointing out that it was the only engine available in the TA cars.  IE, no 383 Challenger TA's or 318 AAR's or what have you.

[71gtx]

1971 challenger 340 rt  1,078  cars  3speed 34 4speed 313 auto 731

[hemi-hampton]

If I remember right the 340 was a extra cost option. SO, You had to pay more to get a small block when you usually had to pay more to get the optional big block. LEON.

[Ghoste]

In 70 it was extra cost because you were buying it on the standard model but in 71 you could pick from the 383 or the 340 as the standard engine in the RT.