Hansen Stage V conversion heads

[Challenger340]

Geez, I dunno here ?

Traditional Top Alky stuff nowadays, I think, mostly falls in the 7- 7.150" in GDP rods for the Brad Anderson 6.

Dunno 'bout the Veney motors, I can find out though, if you guys want.

You want common Bore and stroke combos they're currently running ?

If somebody can build a HEMI  for "street" on the cheap, I say all the power to them !

I can't, thats all I know.
Not one that I'd wanna own anyways.

[mean one]

I'll lower myself to talk to you in a language that you might understand little boy, it looks like envious green pigs are flying in your mind . If you wanted to build cheap, well cheap is cheap gomer. I've seen some of those boys use 6.860 rods  [ cheaper ] and for the pistons I remember ordering  them . What size pin and what pin hight [ same price ] because they keep many blanks available theres more than one racer out there last time I looked because they all don't run the same size engine doh! Now go back and pick sh..  with the chickens in your living room Einstein so you'll have something of equal intelligence . But if you want to spew forth go ahead I could use more humor . 

[Challenger340]

I'll lower myself to talk to you in a language that you might understand little boy, it looks like envious green pigs are flying in your mind . If you wanted to build cheap, well cheap is cheap gomer. I've seen some of those boys use 6.860 rods [ cheaper ] and for the pistons I remember ordering them . What size pin and what pin hight [ same price ] because they keep many blanks available theres more than one racer out there last time I looked because they all don't run the same size engine doh! Now go back and pick sh.. with the chickens in your living room Einstein so you'll have something of equal intelligence . But if you want to spew forth go ahead I could use more humor .

LMAO !   
You a funny guy !   You're absolutely right, all engine sizes, and makes, are posted during qualifying. But, they don't post the tall or short deck configurations.

[69fuchs]

I'll lower myself to talk to you in a language that you might understand little boy, it looks like envious green pigs are flying in your mind . If you wanted to build cheap, well cheap is cheap gomer. I've seen some of those boys use 6.860 rods  [ cheaper ] and for the pistons I remember ordering  them . What size pin and what pin hight [ same price ] because they keep many blanks available theres more than one racer out there last time I looked because they all don't run the same size engine doh! Now go back and pick sh..  with the chickens in your living room Einstein so you'll have something of equal intelligence . But if you want to spew forth go ahead I could use more humor . 

Thanks for the info...I guess I will order some off the shelf "blanks" for my engine from la la land. That does not sound like off the shelf to me.

The whole point of this thread, (not started by me) was to use stage v heads to put together a cheap and easy hemi.  I stand by the information I provided.

As far as the verbal assaults,  you started that.  I'll bet that if you came out of la la land and into the real world you wouldn't act like such an ass.  Then again, maybe you just can't help it.  Since you are soooo knowledgeable about hemis, how about putting some effort into your social skills. 

  Hell, If I could sift through your ramblings, I might find something of usefulness.  At this point, I have serious doubts.  Sounds like you have Alzheimer's, tourette's, or both.  Get a mental health evaluation.  I've heard carbon monoxide poisoning  can turn an otherwise decent person into a dick.  Is that what happend?

[mean one]

Good morning    Mr. pukes .  It sounds to me your really mad . Well I'm sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings . NOT . What are you an   inflight  missile repairman  or I  know , you drive an outhouse cleaning truck so you are qualified spew agent . Is ARIAS in la la land And hows life at  little peckers foul farm ? I sure hope you don't send your kids to the same school you went to because of all the steroids and hormones they feed chickens nowdays your kids could get hurt pecking with them . Also looking back the worst I said was b.s. and a know it all or two . On the other hand YOU started this when you called out your name [ jackass ]  so smegma breath eat that .  You didn't see any lol or jokes that I wrote . That goes to show you that a small minded wiper of peoples behinds like yourself with a moniker like what you have deserves it . If you want to continue this so be it . As i stated earlier I lowered myself to your education level so you would  u n d e r s t a n d   but I was wrong .  I apoligise to everyone that had to read this crap [ it was funny at times ] . But I have a feeling .....

[RD]

man this is juvenile...  you remind me of an old member called "darkness".... is that you?  either way, this type of verbal abuse needs to come to an end.  if you cannot say something nice, do not say anything at all. 

[Troy]

For the record, I was on pace to finish my Hemi for right at $10,500 (that includes air cleaner, valve covers, motor mounts and headers). Let me clarify that this is a nearly stock street motor with almost all new parts. All it takes is some diligence when looking for deals (I purchased absolutely nothing from eBay). It was never my intention (nor the person starting this thread) to build a race car so blabbing about Top Alcohol stuff is completely ridiculous. For my part it would have been simpler to just fork over the cash to For Hemis Only or Arruzza since the cost isn't a whole lot more for better parts and I'd have had it a year sooner. I guess I just wanted to see if I could do it. I have to agree with some other that if the parts aren't available then praising their virtue is about as helpful as giving glasses to a blind man. Most people would rather have a complete, running motor than a giant, unfinished paper weight.

I'll refrain from questioning you intellect or manners mean one but it would be helpful to act civilized.

Troy

[Charger-Bodie]

you mean one how many HEMIs do you own? by the way do you own a charger?FUCHY OWNS a hemi charger and it has a HEMI in it!! Ive known Aaron for almost 20 yrs now and i dont think i now anyone who knows more about mopar engines, parts, and ecspecially HEMIs than anyone else that i know personally. and i dont mean just numbers and crap like that the guy knows his shit and you may not be an idiot either but you are doing a great job of portraying yourself as one! you dont just join a website were people are about like family to eachother and piss everyone off and act like a know it all. i learn a long time ago that the guy who thinks they know it all is the guy with the most to learn!!

[RD]

... i learn a long time ago that the guy who thinks they know it all is the guy with the most to learn!!

I say again

I guess the question is then, have you learned something, or is it you already believe you know everything?   

[mean one]

I've been told by Troy no [ personal ] attacks . But then I still receive [ personal ]  attacks and it's allowed by Troy   Shame on you !  I'm really surprised at how many people love chickens though .  My cars , a 69 charger 500 , a 70 6 pack charger Rt , a 68 BB cuda , a 71 6 pack RR , a 68 GTX vert a 70 challenger Rt with a hemi and a 70 hemi cuda that's been in a major magazine . So in closing i had fun testing your wealth of knowledge or lack there of and I sincerely apologise to anyone that got feathers ruffled or got their feelings hurt .

[70charger_boy]

Hey mean one are you from CT?

[Troy]

I've been told by Troy no [ personal ] attacks . But then I still receive [ personal ]  attacks and it's allowed by Troy   Shame on you !  I'm really surprised at how many people love chickens though .  My cars , a 69 charger 500 , a 70 6 pack charger Rt , a 68 BB cuda , a 71 6 pack RR , a 68 GTX vert a 70 challenger Rt with a hemi and a 70 hemi cuda that's been in a major magazine . So in closing i had fun testing your wealth of knowledge or lack there of and I sincerely apologise to anyone that got feathers ruffled or got their feelings hurt .

There's a distinct difference between the one starting it and a retaliation. There's also a distinct difference in the method of the personal attack(s). There is also no rule that says I have to tell everyone involved about who else I may have warned. It is enough that the people who get warned are aware of it and let me deal with others as necessary.This approach seems to work well so I'm sticking with it. Just FYI - the whole "but he did it to me" argument doesn't work past the age of 5.

It's wonderful that you have cars, knowledge, and have had success but if you can't get along with others then it really doesn't matter to me. I'm sure other people would greatly appreciate your knowledge and input if only the delivery wasn't so harsh. I can't make people join the site or stay but it is my duty to try to keep the peace.

Troy

[mikepmcs]

Wow!

So the answer is yes they can be used, but the 440 block may not handle it and...... There is a possibility that the money spent for this conversion might be better suited in acquiring a real hemi..


Sorry, got lost in all the ruckus.

v/r
Mike

[mean one]

Troy where did i say he did it to me I said YOU allowed it and now YOU attack  me with a statement of being five years old and YOU also  inserted a smiley face in my statement . All in all I thought when I  APOLOGIZED  in my last post I was doing the right thing . But apparently doing the right thing is not good enough for YOU . So what IS the right thing to do Troy ?

[Super68]

Speaking of Stage V heads I just found some for sale. For anyone interested.

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/865248/STAGE-V-CONVERSION-HEMI-HEADS-NEW.html

[RD]

Troy where did i say he did it to me I said YOU allowed it and now YOU attack  me with a statement of being five years old and YOU also  inserted a smiley face in my statement . All in all I thought when I  APOLOGIZED  in my last post I was doing the right thing . But apparently doing the right thing is not good enough for YOU . So what IS the right thing to do Troy ?

you are right... maybe you should just tell us all to take a flying leap and go and share all your wisdom on moparts.com

they would love you over there and give you nothing but the respect your ego desires.  AGAIN, GO TO MOPARTS.COM , THEY WILL LOVE YOU, PLEASE GO THERE... PLEASE!!!!

this is my final say on this idiotic thread that started out with good intentions...

[mikepmcs]

Jamey,
I'm feeling the same way.  What is with the angst on a harmless thread.  That is the main(one) reason I am not a member there.   Those people are brutal.

Not necessary!

Wowsers!

On another note..those heads are really expensive  $6800. Holy shnikees!

v/r
Mike

[Troy]

Not quite getting it so here's the short version to keep from derailing the thread...

This site is self-moderated for the most part. There's a little link on every post that says "Report to Moderator". When people click it the other moderators and I receive a notice and when I/we get enough of them about a single individual/post then we are forced to act. Your warning was simply that - a reaction to an influx of complaints. That means you've gone beyond the bounds of commonly accepted behavior. I won't waste my time with examples as they are fairly obvious.

To answer your questions, you said "I still receive [ personal ]  attacks and it's allowed by Troy" which is the same as tattling on everyone else and trying to justify your actions. I didn't put a smiley face in your statement - the forum software automatically converts three question marks to a question smiley. I didn't say you were 5 - I said your argument wouldn't work. Your "apology" was filled with more of the same insults so even if you are/were sincere it hardly comes across that way. Forgive me for missing it.

I have to agree with RD, Moparts would be like a bull ride for you: eight seconds - if you're lucky.

Troy

[mean one]

To the gallery ;  My apology was sincere . I also tried with a little comedy [ which failed miserably ] in it but under the curcumstances I can understand . In retrospect dealing with the public you have to bite your tongue but on these computers it's easy to get carried away because your not face to face .

[Troy]

Thank you for understanding. By the way, I can be extremely sarcastic and I learned long ago that not everyone picks up on that if they aren't already familiar with me. We've discussed the difficulties of communicating in writing several times and it is often tough to determine exactly *how* someone else meant what they wrote. It's usually open to the interpretation of the reader so if they take offense it really doesn't matter to them if it wasn't intended. That's mostly human nature I suppose. Unfortunately, even when you do know someone and give them a little friendly ribbing someone else could come along later and completely freak out about it. Talking to someone in person isn't as hard because you have body language and tone of voice to determine the mood AND it isn't recorded forever and ever so if you screw up it's easier and faster to recover. I learned that about women - real easy to screw up irreparably in writing but the groveling can start immediately if you misspoke.

Back on topic... I remembered those heads as being in the $4000 range but now I can't remember if that was bare or not. What do they realistically cost for completed assemblies? Don't they still use stock type rockers? I thought my heads were relatively cheap compared to the valvetrain.

Troy

[mean one]

The last set I bought was 1900 for bare heads it's the rockers and stands that hurt .  But if you want a rocker system that stays centered over the valve from 0 to .800 + lift theirs is the best for the price . Anyone that has bought a stage V rocker set can attest to that . Go buy a jessel setup and make sure you have your nitro pills .  Stock hemi valve trains have allways had problems if you wanted to push it or drive it for any lenght of time .
The conversion exhaust rockers are not the same as stock they are longer and a differant ratio , the stands are machined differently to move the shafts towards the cam to get better pushrod clearance in the valley . The hardest part for most is drilling the center head bolts to 1\2 inch . Do not attempt by hand or you will probably ruin your block . If you add up all prices their still cheaper and the money you save not having to buy a block makes it easier on the pocket , not as much as then but now if you can get them .
In closing you get what you pay for I'll never use ma mopars aluminum heads their just junk ie; valve seats fall out and guides that are not in proper relation to the seats . And why would anyone pay good monies for a wore out valve train that needs rebuilding is beyond me or pay mopars price . Just save a little longer and do it right . Most people want thier hemi for show and go nowdays and relability is king .

[ChargerSG]

Wow this tread got fired up. Anyway i got to know some things about the Stage V Heads but will buy a plugg and play 5.7L Hemi insted, the 426 thing can wait some

[max]

The last set I bought was 1900 for bare heads it's the rockers and stands that hurt .  But if you want a rocker system that stays centered over the valve from 0 to .800 + lift theirs is the best for the price . Anyone that has bought a stage V rocker set can attest to that . Go buy a jessel setup and make sure you have your nitro pills .  Stock hemi valve trains have allways had problems if you wanted to push it or drive it for any lenght of time .
The conversion exhaust rockers are not the same as stock they are longer and a differant ratio , the stands are machined differently to move the shafts towards the cam to get better pushrod clearance in the valley . The hardest part for most is drilling the center head bolts to 1\2 inch . Do not attempt by hand or you will probably ruin your block . If you add up all prices their still cheaper and the money you save not having to buy a block makes it easier on the pocket , not as much as then but now if you can get them .
In closing you get what you pay for I'll never use ma mopars aluminum heads their just junk ie; valve seats fall out and guides that are not in proper relation to the seats . And why would anyone pay good monies for a wore out valve train that needs rebuilding is beyond me or pay mopars price . Just save a little longer and do it right . Most people want thier hemi for show and go nowdays and relability is king .

The conversion exhaust rockers are not the same as stock they are longer and a differant ratio , the stands are machined differently to move the shafts towards the cam to get better pushrod clearance in the valley

i seem to recall reading something about those rockers being different from stock ones but i wasn't certain just what it was. i thought i remembered reading that the original(?) designed rockers had an off set to one side to make up for a clearance problem just like Mopar did with the small block T/A rockers.

In closing you get what you pay for I'll never use ma mopars aluminum heads their just junk

now that's a statement i'm sure everyone can agree. MP has a very poor reputation when it comes to quality parts and the crate engines of the past is a very good referance to that.

as i stated in one of my earlier post i bought a set of MP pistons for my Hemi (actually built by Weisco) and they were "supposed" to be streetable 10-1 compression with the iron heads coarse i noticed when i got the engine up and running i was getting a noticable ping under hard exceleration so i had to back the timming off. an engine builder from another forum did a fill test on the same type of pistons and they came in at 11.5-1 compression with 170cc iron heads.

then of coarse i ordered the MP cam that was used in the 465 HP crate Hemi, which i should have caught it when i advanced the cam but with the .020 steel head gaskets i had right at .090 piston to intake valve clearance and something like .175 piston to exhaust valve clearance. once it was up and running i noticed the engine was rather chopy and doesn't want to idle below 1200-1300 rpm, but it had really good vaccum and i never found any vaccum leaks.

next time i pull the valve covers i'm going to use the dial indicator and see just what kind of lift i have at the valve but i have a strange filling it isn't going to be that small MP crate engine cam. atleast i got the right part # on the box.