I should not have posted that link. I should not have said anything about

[pettyfan43]

That car. Period.


I DO  apologize. I never meant for this to become a problem. I can't say much else. I meant what I said and it was not meant to stir up crap.

Sometimes I make mistakes just like everybody else. I'm human. Maybe it was poor judgement.

I won't bring this up again.

[69bronzeT5]

JimShine would defintley be the person to ask about this subject

[Bandit72]

Check this out, and NO it AIN'T about John Schneider's General Lee.

http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=13567

MAN SOMEBODY has some explaining to do. It is AMAZING what some will call a "restored" car. I guess replacing everything but a busted windshield and VIN tag is now the new standard!

you know i always thought something fishy was going on with that car....i would like to see what jimshine has to say (i'm not gonna hold it against anybody, too many good people to go pickin' fights over a "bright orange clunker car" lol)

[blackcharger]

sounds like Travis Bell should be a front man for Halpag

[Charger1973]

Thats an interesting read for sure...

It is sad to hear they butchered Lee 1 like that though, after it made it all these years... 

[Charger_Fan]

Man, what a soap opera!   



*EDIT* On a side note, I think it's really cool that James Best (Rosco) is a member & posts on the CGLFC site.

[JimShine]

The pictures were taken during the resto phase and are now claimed to be later. That rear piece of a car outside with a tarp is a remnant of the lowrider car we cut up for repair pieces. We also have the cowl laying around here somewhere as well.

[69bronzeT5]

Im gonna stay outta this

[JimShine]

He is listening to Kraig. I don't fault him.

FWIW, here is a site that shows what kind of person making these claims really is:

http://kraigcummins.com/

[pettyfan43]

All I will say about this, is that there are an AWFUL lot of people who really and passionately don't like one guy, and the common thread is they have all been screwed by the same guy.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Besides, The VOLO museum are the same people who try to sell their cars for outrageous money and have been caught more than once making false claims about some of their cars and were caught red handed trying to pass off a General Lee as one of the 17 sold by Warner Brothers.

Something is screwy somewhere, and I have a hard time believing ALL these people are making up stories about one guy and what happened with that car when it was originally bought is pretty sorry in its own right.

[JimShine]

The stories go way farther back than Lee1 and the stories go back on Kraig as well (even with members here), but that is forgiven and forgotten when he dishes dirt on Travis Bell. I can point out several members in that very thread that have dirty laundry, but what good does it do to post it? Lets not forget what that board was founded on, disgruntled NGLFC members (whom Kraig often made fun of, until he needed them to serve a purpose) that started their own board. Its the same group of people starting the same crap like clockwork.

The problem I have here is this deal with Lee1 involves me personally. Kraig threatened to spread the BS if Travis didn't accomodate his demands. Now he is out to spread crap about Lee1. All I can do is state the facts. Take it or leave it.

[Mike DC]

 
I'm just trying not to touch this one.

 

[pettyfan43]

I want to be clear about why I posted this here.

The subject of the restoration has been DEEP in speculation about what was replaced and what was NOT.

At what point DOES a car become a rebody? If the only pieces left are the cowl, a busted windshield and dash frame, then you are at that point or past it.

To call this car "General Lee #1" is being less than honest at best and guilty of fraud in most any state in the country.

Where do you draw the line? What you have with this car if these reports are right, is selected parts of General Lee #1 being carried around by another car.

With people like hlpag, dishonesty is running rampant in this hobby, it's like a disease. It's gotten to the point where some people don't know the difference between the truth and lies made up to make a buck.

I saw this story on the Confederate General Lee board and thought it might make for good conversation.  I in NO way meant any harm to Jim Shine or anybody else.

An AWFUL lot of people saw that thing in various states of disassembly and reassembly and ALL of them agree that they used selected pieces to recreate this car.

There are various parts of this car scattered all over the country. Some pieces even in OTHER countries.

Sooner or later the truth IS gonna come out about this car, and  a LOT of people are really interested in what stories are told about this.

I TRULY dislike con men and liars to permeate this hobby. They are out to make a buck and don't care how they do it. It has only gotten worse as these cars become more and more valuable.
I AM NOT calling names or inferring ANYBODY is a con man but the truth about this car will come out and I for one am waiting to see what happens.

[Ghoste]

I have to admit you bring up an interesting and timely point.  When someone is willing to pay nearly 10 million dollars for John Schneiders General, the "hobby" must be subject to tighter scrutinizing.  Was John's car even used in the series?

[moparguy01]

I have a feeling that the member "StuntMan" over there is full of sh*t

i have the feeling bronzet5 over here is full of sh*t. How do you figure that he's full of it? He pointed out something that others seem to prove there as well.

[69bronzeT5]

Its hard to explain but I think he is. And Im not full of sh*t.

[moparguy01]

Its hard to explain but I think he is. And Im not full of sh*t.

I can make a baseless accusation just as good as you can.  I say your full of sh*t. i'm sure a few others would agree with me too.

[Troy]

At what point DOES a car become a rebody? If the only pieces left are the cowl, a busted windshield and dash frame, then you are at that point or past it.

Usually, it becomes a rebody the second you switch the tags and other identifying marks to a better chassis. Parts replacement rarely qualifies as a rebody. Have you seen the jump Lee #1 was used in? I hope so if you watch the show since it's in the opening credits. What do you think it took to make that car road worthy again? Those cars are basically 'Z' shaped after landing. Many people here have replaced roofs, inner fenders, quarters, frame rails, sail panels, radiator supports, tail panels, wheel houses, and floor pans. Are their cars not the same ones they purchased?

To call this car "General Lee #1" is being less than honest at best and guilty of fraud in most any state in the country.

In your opinion? My guess is that the courts need to be involved before you can prove that last part.

With people like hlpag, dishonesty is running rampant in this hobby, it's like a disease. It's gotten to the point where some people don't know the difference between the truth and lies made up to make a buck.

Yet the site you linked still allowed HLPAG to advertise the last time I checked. Don't get me wrong, I'm a member there as well and I do follow some of this when I have time but the double standard thing kinda sticks out.

An AWFUL lot of people saw that thing in various states of disassembly and reassembly and ALL of them agree that they used selected pieces to recreate this car.

All of them? Really? Of course "selected" pieces were used because that car was not rebuildable using all original parts.

Sooner or later the truth IS gonna come out about this car, and  a LOT of people are really interested in what stories are told about this.

Perhaps it's best to wait for the truth then before stirring things up?

I AM NOT calling names or inferring ANYBODY is a con man

Actually, yes you are. By posting what you did you've clearly chosen a "side" and made your opinion known. It's also painfully obvious from the thread that you are pushing this agenda as much as or more than anyone else (citing your unidentified source yet failing to show any proof).

I'm not claiming to know anything but I do know that most of the people posting also know nothing - yet it doesn't stop them from airing opinions based on the information they are fed. Honestly, it's exactly this sort of infighting that stifles the hobby (Dukes or cars in general). For that matter, what does Travis' personal life have to do with anything and why do more people seem as concerned about his wife/ex than Lee #1? They are separate subjects and frankly none of anyone's business. I do not plan to allow this bickering and hurling of accusations or the airing of personal differences to spill over to this site . I had enough the last time Kraig tried to use this site as his own personal pulpit and then bailed when he got his hand slapped. I am not willing to be the referee. Sorry if that offends anyone but I really don't do this to babysit grown-ups. Besides, I already have to deal with the wing car guys and I've reached my quota.

Feel free to post whatever verifiable developments that may spring up but feeding the rumor mill and pitting "sides" against each other is not wise.

Troy

[Troy]

Its hard to explain but I think he is. And Im not full of sh*t.

That's truly brilliant... and the same logic is applied by people much older than you so you must be learning something. However, you'll find that if you pull that stunt in real life you may end up with a black eye. Just my helpful hint of the day...

Troy

[pettyfan43]

I do NOT have an agenda, This was never meant to start any problems.  It was meant more as conversation and nothing else.

I guess I should have known better than to post anything like this that could be considered controversial. Readiing your response made me realize that I probably made a poor decision in posting that.

Now for something less controversial, wanna talk politics?!?!?!?!?


Sorry.

[70charger_boy]

pettyfan, I don'tthink you should apologize about the thread.  I remember getting into some trouble a few months back about this car.  Everyone went off on me about the restoration of Lee number 1.  I said there was no way they did it and everyone said it was done.  I just had to keep my mouth shut.  I'm more than willing to be schooled on something.

[pettyfan43]

Regardless. I can see where it seems that I was trying to be a troublemaker, which I AM NOT, I want to have a good reputation here and on other boards. I don't wanna be labeled as a jerk. 

I can see where it looked like I was trying to be one.

It was meant as a conversation starter, no more and no less, I gave an opinion before I really thought about it. I stand by how I feel about this hobby and certain people in it. I stand behind what I said about this particular car.

BUT, I NEVER MEANT to start trouble, I am not a trouble maker and do not want that reputation. Sometimes I say too much when I feel strongly about something, don't believe me, just look at some of the political threads, I think I caused two of em to be locked! 

Thanks 70Chargerboy!

[70charger_boy]

   pettyfan,  I'm very opiniated from time to time and I've been labeled as a jerk. That is something I have to live with I guess.  So congrats to you for taking the high road

[pettyfan43]

Troy, I didn't know you had trouble with Kraig in the past, and I did not realize that this was a big problem.  I REALLY wasn't trying to start problems.


I do apologize about that and I can see where you are coming from. I do NOT want that kind of reputation.

[justin1987]

Yet the site you linked still allowed HLPAG to advertise the last time I checked. Don't get me wrong, I'm a member there as well and I do follow some of this when I have time but the double standard thing kinda sticks out.

Can you please tell me where they advertised HLPAG? I've been a member at the CGLFC for years and have never seen it. Neither has the oldest members over there? Thanks.